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post #81 of 153
my little one just came inside and said mama i peed out side come look...it has not rained here in months so the ground is dry...except where he peed!!!!i love it..right in the middle of the back yard..and yes where we all walk and sit and even have a picnic sometimes..it's urine...it's sterile and it's ok..at least i'm not using up the rainforest having a diaper on his bum..right? just my 2 cent...pee where ever your little heart desire's my boy....
post #82 of 153
I have, in an emergency only, stopped my car on a secluded road to let my son's go pee pee--again, in an emergency and only if I'm nowhere near a restroom. I'd do the same if they were throwing up. However, I think it's disgusting for a child to pee, to be encouraged to pee on a playground. Firstly, it's just rude, and secondly, there may be children coming along behind who are playing under that same tree. I just don't see why a mom or dad can't drag her(him)self away to get the child to a proper bathroom. It's inappropriate behavior to urinate in public and, in fact, against the law in most places. Imagine my surprise and disgust when I got off the Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin at Disney World last week to see a father lift his son up onto a planter, pull his pants down and let him pee all over the Disney landscaping. The bathrooms were literally two hundred feet away. It's just foul and disgusting.
post #83 of 153
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Originally Posted by Mamato3wild ponnie View Post
my little one just came inside and said mama i peed out side come look...it has not rained here in months so the ground is dry...except where he peed!!!!i love it..right in the middle of the back yard..and yes where we all walk and sit and even have a picnic sometimes..it's urine...it's sterile and it's ok..at least i'm not using up the rainforest having a diaper on his bum..right? just my 2 cent...pee where ever your little heart desire's my boy....
Err... that's in your own backyard, so the only one who might end up eating off that pee or picking up stuff drenched in it is your family. And you know it's there, so you won't do that before it's soaked in/rinsed away/gone. In a public playground, it is not your private space. Apparently there are many many parents who do this with their kids. Just be aware that there are also many parents who may complain and find it putrid. As for the rainforest saving, there are cloth diapers and EC techniques... we're mostly talking about potty trained children in PUBLIC spaces to my understanding. I don't care in the least what you do in your backyard.
post #84 of 153
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Originally Posted by rjrmommy View Post
Imagine my surprise and disgust when I got off the Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin at Disney World last week to see a father lift his son up onto a planter, pull his pants down and let him pee all over the Disney landscaping.
So tempting...must bite my tongue...
post #85 of 153
Read the thread, and I have a question for folks:
How do you feel about little ones peeing on little potty in public? Basically I am trying to separate the modesty issue from the the ick factor of urine in public places.

Ever since my oldest expressed an interest in potty training we have just kept a potty with us - baby bjorn little potty in jog stroller, another in the back of the car etc. so that if the mood struck him he could potty wherever, whenever. Sometimes this happens in a playground, but I usually sop it up with a cloth diaper and bag it just like I would a diaper that got wet while being worn.

Your thoughts?
post #86 of 153
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Originally Posted by rjrmommy View Post
Imagine my surprise and disgust when I got off the Buzz Lightyear Space Ranger Spin at Disney World last week to see a father lift his son up onto a planter, pull his pants down and let him pee all over the Disney landscaping. The bathrooms were literally two hundred feet away. It's just foul and disgusting.
I've heard that Disney uses edible plants in the landscaping, in case children might eat it.
post #87 of 153
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Originally Posted by bettysmom View Post
Thanks, everyone! I gather from the responses that I'm in the minority but not alone. And that my perspective might change once DD is potty learning. And that I might be in for a real shock if I ever have a boy!
I think it's gross and inappropriate. It's fine to find some privacy and have your kid pee outside when there isn't another choice....but to pee in full view of a group of people, near where children are playing? YUCK! It's inconsiderate of the people around you.
post #88 of 153
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Originally Posted by jtbuko View Post
Read the thread, and I have a question for folks:
How do you feel about little ones peeing on little potty in public? Basically I am trying to separate the modesty issue from the the ick factor of urine in public places.
My only issue is the urine in public places. Urine can really reek, and I know I get icked out when I'm in a place where it is clear people are using it as a toilet, like in some parking garages or whatever. So the thought that children using the trees as the rule rather than the exception could bug me depending on the park. There is a park near my house, and there is a grassy area under some trees that provides a nice shady place to sit, but it isn't large. If I knew that a significant number of children were using it as a public toilet, I would not want to use the park. Plus I know how dog and rabbit urine can just kill grass, so if numerous children were peeing outside, I think it could be problematic.

In general though, I don't have an issue with peeing outside. It's just that I now have a 4 year old who pees outside, poops outside, pees inside on the carpet, the furniture. Sigh. She can shoot a stream of urine at least 2 feet. So when talking to her about the whole concept, I have started thinking about public sanitation and how and why we separate it and I know there is value to it. So I'm working with her on the right places to go, meaning encouraging her to use the toilet, but also if going outside picking one area over another. When we go swimming in the summer, a few times she peed on the brick of the patio. I told her to either pee in the pool or out on the dirt beds (so it would soak in) and not on the patio and preferably not on the grass, although she does pee in the grass sometimes.

It would bother me to see a father encouraging his son to pee on landscaping in a theme park when there were restrooms nearby. I also dislike the double standard with it being fine for boys and not for girls. I'd be better disposed towards a parent helping their son pee against a tree if s/he helped her daughter do the same.
post #89 of 153
First, I don't think anyone is advocating urinating on a playground. The issue is peeing on a tree or in the grass. I have never heard of anyone directing their child to pee on a playground. Even the Disney example had the child peeing in the foliage.

As for the public nudity....yeah...I think this is waaaay overblown. These are little kids. There's nothing sexual or lewd about a naked child. And it is completely natural. Just like when I BF my child in public. You might see a little boob when I do but it's not sexual or lewd either.

As for the "ick" factor. I just don't buy this. The trees around the parks here are peed on quite a bit (our Mama's group sees to that) and it doesn't smell one bit...not even a smidgen (trust me....if it did, one of our pg Mamas would have noticed). However, the bathrooms reek. It's really quite logical. Someone must manually clean a bathroom....trees and grass; however, have a natural, built in cleaning system (rain etc.).

As a side note, I find it troublesome that some seem to think it is better and more appropriate that a child pees on him/herself rather than peeing on a tree. Sometimes, a bathroom just isn't an option (referring back to pixipunk's post).

Further, you just never know the full story. For example, DS1 was pretty much fully potty trained....'till he had an automatic toilet flush while he was sitting on it thus making him completely terrified of toilets. He simply will not use one. However, he will use a tree/grass. So, that is what we do....even if it's right next to a bathroom. I don't think we should be so quick to judge (ie the Disney example).

I really am very surprised that so many people on this particular board have such a problem w/ something so natural.
post #90 of 153
This drives me nuts!!!! I have had people do this in our front yard when we aren't even in the yard (viewed through the window, and this was our next door neighbor!!! not an emergency). Yuck. At least ask first. Sorry, it's natural, but it's still in poor taste to do that in other people's yards without asking first, so I could offer the child the toilet, or say, no, go walk next door and let him pee on your tree.

And I have seen someone let their son urinate at the base of the slide, when they could step just a few yards away to a tree. (or how about the nice public restroom facilities just a hundred yards away that all the other kids use?)
post #91 of 153
I tell ya what- my 5 yo will take a hidden, out of the way tree over a port-a-potty any day of the week! Those things are gross! We'll water a tree in a pinch.

Funny story: *This happened about 13 years ago.* While playing on the preschool school playground at the end of the day, a mom came over to me (I was a teacher) and said "I don't know if he's supposed to or not, but that little boy just peed in the back corner." I calmly looked to see who she meant, saw she was pointing out my child and said "His mom will be here soon, I'll let her know, thanks. "

FTR - he had never had to pee outside in his life - he must've really had an emergency!
post #92 of 153
yk, there's urine and fecal matter ALL over the place anyways. Ever seen one of those tests they do for fecal matter on TV? it's on your toothbrush, your doorknob, everywhere. A little pee isn't going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back and gives you some strange bacterial infection.

or is it the smell? I've never smelled urine at a playground or park except at the bathrooms. Even if we humans don't use nature as our potty, the animals didn't get the memo, so I'm pretty sure when I touch a tree there's bird crap, squirrel pee, whatever.

* I'm not talking about whipping it out and letting it flow all over the slide, I'm talking out of the way area.
post #93 of 153
at my work we had a mom have her little boy pee outside by our models. was like ummm....ok. it did not bother me, i just dont think i would let my DS do that.
post #94 of 153
Heh. I suggest that if you're grossed out by a toddler peeing on a tree at the park, you never attend an amateur rugby game. The guys (full-grown adults) generally just kneel down on the pitch and point out the bottom of their shorts. If you ever go to watch a game and see a guy who looks like he's praying....he's not.

Part of my DS1's potty training was learning to go outside - mostly how to get some distance so he didn't pee all over himself. DH took care of this facet of the training. They'd go practice out on our back fence. We've occasionally put it to use if we're at the park and it's an emergency (and no other bathroom). I usually take him to a secluded area, behind a tree or a bush, and I try to shield him from view. I only do all that out of consideration for the other people there...I really don't want to have to deal with dirty looks, although it wouldn't bother me at all if someone else's kid was more obvious about it.
post #95 of 153
i hate to break to you all, but squirrels, chipmunks, birds, stray cats, possibly rats and other animalia who frequent public parks are rarely, if ever, toilet trained (though i'm sure there's a You Tube video somewhere to prove me wrong). there is likely pee and poop on said tree and surrounding leaves, sticks and other things your child might pick up and even put in his/her mouth.

this thread is really too much

it is our obsession with cleanliness in this culture which is largely responsible for increasingly virulent strains of all kinds of diseases. and there have actually been studies, i believe there was one in Germany (can't remember, saw it on a PBS documentary a while back) that showed that kids who grew up on farms and were exposed regularly to small amounts of fecal matter, dirt and germs were healthier, less likely to have allergies, and had stronger immune systems than their clean-living urban and suburban counterparts.
post #96 of 153
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Originally Posted by pixiepunk View Post
i hate to break to you all, but squirrels, chipmunks, birds, stray cats, possibly rats and other animalia who frequent public parks are rarely, if ever, toilet trained (though i'm sure there's a You Tube video somewhere to prove me wrong). there is likely pee and poop on said tree and surrounding leaves, sticks and other things your child might pick up and even put in his/her mouth.

this thread is really too much

it is our obsession with cleanliness in this culture which is largely responsible for increasingly virulent strains of all kinds of diseases. and there have actually been studies, i believe there was one in Germany (can't remember, saw it on a PBS documentary a while back) that showed that kids who grew up on farms and were exposed regularly to small amounts of fecal matter, dirt and germs were healthier, less likely to have allergies, and had stronger immune systems than their clean-living urban and suburban counterparts.
And I would like to add to that all the environmental garbage that we have spewn , particularly you city folk, that is EVERYWHERE, including the air you breathe, which IMHO is FAR worse than a bit of bio-matter.

I am so glad I am not a germaphobic. I'd never get to leave my house.
post #97 of 153
Hmmm... I'm guessing that most of you have backyards and cars and very different, maybe more open, playgrounds. On the other hand, I don't have a car, live in 550 square feet with a family of 4, and use urban playgrounds where 2-3 trees and some playground equipment are fenced in, dogs are not allowed. Dogs are allowed in the larger park though.

If the regular practice here were for all toddlers to pee on the playground trees, that would mean LITERALLY 1000-2000 CHILDREN peeing on the playground (or on "trees in the playground") EACH DAY. That would stink, the ground would not absorb it, and it would be disgusting.

Squirrel pee, rat pee... those I deal with as part of just what exists in our environment. And those critters stay away while children are actively playing on the trees here, so they might have peed there 15 minutes before, whereas toddler 1 pees and toddler 2 picks up still wet leaves 2 minutes later. That's disgusting. I don't use antibacterial soap or any other silly thing besides regular routine handwashing and am so far from a germaphobe, it's ridiculous.

It is not a good citizen practice to have your child pee on the playground, whether on trees at the playground or on playground equipment. Go to a restroom, a part of the park where dogs are allowed to pee (that would be the dirt, because thousands of dogs pee there every day, including mine; you're not "watering" a tree or grass or helping it out by peeing on it, that's a myth), or carry around a diaper or portable potty. Or pee on the playground, and expect people to complain and possibly to turn you in if it's a regular thing. If it's a one time emergency, then fine.
post #98 of 153
Look, if it is a bona fide emergency, then yes, we would all make exceptions for little kids. But if it isn't, it's tacky for little kids to pee in public for the same reasons it's tacky for adults to pee in public. It violates the community standard and makes a huge assumption that just because you're OK with pee means that everyone is OK with peeing in public. People who don't like this are not necessarily "germaphobes" or uptight. It's natural to pick your nose and rub it on the wall, but that grosses people out and most of us make an effort to educate our children that this is not something that is done in polite society.

I'd also like to wonder if moms of boys are more comfortable with this practice than moms of girls.
post #99 of 153
I do not allow my sons to pee in public parks. I think it is disrespectful to others at a PUBLIC park. Only time we did it was when the bathroom was locked, and there was not another one we could use. Other than that the boys can use the bathrooms at the park or hold it until we get home. That is the beauty of boys, even in a not so clean bathroom they can aim and never have to touch anything....
post #100 of 153
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Originally Posted by momma-d View Post
What I'm not getting are all these comparisons of toddlers to dogs. Huh? Of course dogs pee outside.
Of course they do. And it annoys me when their owners let them do it in the middle of a playground or anywhere else people generally move around.

As for the "squirrels, birds, etc pee everywhere" thing, just as disgusting, wish they didn't do it on park benches and playground equipment, but not much I can do about it. With dogs and kids, though, there's a responsible adult who can make sure it doesn't happen.
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