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post #21 of 145
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Originally Posted by firefaery View Post

I am not "in the know" either, but I read alot. Several people that are reputable as far as I'm concerned say that a high fruit diet is essential for kiddos. Because my kids eat a wide variety of foods I really don't worry. They do eat their greens (alot of them!) and get fats. Dd has issues with myelinization as she had an autoimmune disease. IT is nothing to mess with. She got HIGH doses of cod liver oil starting very early on to combat it. Of course breastmilk helped as well!
Well I am going to beg to differ with those "in the know", about 50% of calories coming from fruit. I also don't agree that a high fruit diet is essential for children. I think I high raw fat diet (IMO animal fats) is essential for them. I would worry about teeth, over-emotionality, and the myelinization issue. That is just way too my high for my comfort level.

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We take supplemental B-12 in our house even though they eat eggs. IT's as much of an issue for meat eater as veggies so better safe than sorry. Not as much of an issue for raw omnis however-do you supplement? I wouldn't think you'd need to.
No we don't supplement for B-12. I do give them HVCLO, but don't like doing it because it is highly processed, but I have yet to find a truly cold pressed CLO, and I am not about to make my own . My kiddos eat lots of raw eggs thankfully, and they do eat meat, but only cooked, except for a little raw fish.

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Uccomama: 50% of calories from fruit doesn't preclude a high fat diet. You can absolutely still do 25-35% of calories from fat and still get tons of greens as they are so low cal. A pound of greens doesn't amount to much calorically speaking. I don't advocate a fruitarian diet by any stretch...but in the breakdowns I have seen this is acceptable.
I actually didn't mean calories, I meant total amount of their diet, it is way, way more calories than 50%. I think 50% of calories from fruit is a dangerously large amount for a child. I am totally not for a fruitarian diet at all. My children actually eat very little fruit.

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Yay for your kiddo! MY kids have never had antibiotics and I love that!
I am thrilled too. It is hard to see your child sick, I can see how easy it is to give in, go to the doctor and get those magic bullet antibotics, especially as DD is such a whiner when sick. At least my children are rarely ill -- this was the first time in well over a year, one of them had gotten sick. But I was blown away at how quickly she recovered, probably just as quickly as if she had taken antiboitics, anyway.

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More to say...I'll be back later. Thanks for staying with us, Uccomama. I love seeing different perspectives. I jsut tried out a new way to eat raw to test a couple theories...I'll break it down after kiddos go to sleep.
I can't wait to read about it. I enjoying hanging out here too with the other raw mamas. Thanks for letting me in!
post #22 of 145
More on supplements and treating illness. I did want to say, that if my children didn't eat a diet high in raw animal fats, I would probably have given DD mega doses of sodium ascorbate, rather than do the orange/raw egg smoothie and the other raw smoothies. With my children, I always try raw nutritional remedies first before resulting to supplements or herbal tinctures etc. I would love to be able to treat illness with raw herbs juiced, but I just don't know enough to be able to do this.

Aajonus also doesn't recommend giving children raw veggie juices, once every three weeks or so, is enough in his opinion. If a child is completely on the Primal Diet, then raw veggie juices aren't probably needed at all.
post #23 of 145
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I have read that until puberty kiddos don't produce the necessary combination of hormones to utilize veggies. Can't say I agree, but is that why he thinks that? Is there another reason?
post #24 of 145
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I have concerns about teeth as well. I was lamenting this just yesterday. My kids have never had a cavity to my knowledge and I'd like to keep it that way. I know many fruitarians that say their kids have never had any though...Storm and Jingee in particular have posted and filmed check-ups for their kids who have been fruitarian their whole lives and are thriving as far as the physicians are concerned. I have concerns about one of them (never met them, but Adagio looks....unwell in pics) but noone else seems to be.

I do believe (at least right now) that a high fruit diet is the natural diet for us. I just don't think we should be consuming it to hte exclusion of other foods. I don't think a high carb (when talking about unprocessed fruit) diet is a bad thing.

Which brings me to my latest experiment...I tried Dr. Doug Graham's protocol to test the whole blood sugar issue. I have problems in this area. I have insulin resistance and get VERY low blood sugar. The only time it was under control completely-tp the point I never though about it and didn't suffer any discomfort was when I had to eat meat again (long story for those who don't know-dd had allergies to many things. I lost soy, dairy, eggs, all grains, legumes and some nuts. I had very little left to eat and started eating meat) During this time I was emotionally a wreck, but physically quite good. I lost weight, felt great and had NO blood sugar issues. It was a very high fat diet.

When I returned to a veg diet I kept it high fat, but didn't have the same success-even when raw. I was good, but not as good.

Fast forward to Doug Graham. He says blood sugar issues arise IN THE PRESENCE of a high fat high fruit diet. He basically says you can do high fat, low fruit or vice versa...but not both. Well, when eating meat I was on a high fat low fruit regimen. Interesting. SO I tested it. I went high fruit low fat for a week to see what would happen. His way of eating appealed to me for many reasons: a. the science he presented, b. I wasn't doing great on too many nuts, c. it is the most simple approach I've seen. It was fine for about 5 days. Then I got woozy and no amount of fruit helped. I ate pounds and pounds of it-with greens. No good. However I did finally break my threshold for weight loss. I lost 4 pounds and alot of water weight (he's a no salt kinda guy.)

It was the most expensive diet I've ever been on. I find it odd that I didn't have any issues with glucose/insulin given the amount of fruit-but I didn't. The wooziness seemed to be more a lack of appropriate fats. I added some in (non nuts) and have been doing great. Interesting to say the least.
post #25 of 145
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Hmmm the health thing is an interesting topic....love to hear from some others.

We consider food to be our medicine. I will also use homeopathy. Rarely do I use herbs and same goes for supplements. If we are getting sick I usually let it take it's course and utilize our network chiropractor to facilitate the body's innate ability to self-right. If it's major then I'll use homeopathy. As I said, my kiddos have never had antibiotics. The two instances we have ever had with ear infection were taken care of with adjustments and food (in one case onion applied internally to the ear which works magic.)

I use home remedies in theory, but so rarely have to pull them out. I feel lucky on one hand, but on the other this is why we eat this way. The point as far as I'm concerned is optimal health. I don't think I know everything, but I tend to feel pretty good given our track record and where we came from. My kids have healed quite a bit with nutrition. If that wasn't the case I'd still be looking.

What does everyone do for illness? Do you experience it? How do you handle it?
post #26 of 145
Firefaery,
I am interested in hearing how you have healed your kids nutritionally. My younger son has autism and gut issues and my older son has, for lack of a better word, poor constitution. They both are very much addicted to a SAD diet. Older is better about eating fruits and veggies, younger is insanely picky. How did you get your kids to eat decently. When you speak of gut damage, what does that mean? What do you think caused it? How did you resolve it? Sorry if I am being too nosey, I am just really curious about all of this stuff and really wishing I could get my kids to eat better.
Thanks,

Michelle

PS.... wanted to add that alothough I'm not raw, I have certain foods I heal well with too. For typical colds and whatnot, I make a soup out of garlic, onion, green chiles, a dash of cayenne and veg broth. I also have a "tea" type beverage where I soak lemons and their juice in a jar with honey and grated ginger. Between these two I have been able to heal myself from infections for the past few years, and I was the queen of anitbiotics prior to this.
post #27 of 145
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My older two were on the autism spectrum (just barely with ds, dd was more firmly on it) Ds was very hyper, did alot of head banging and shaking and didn't have any attachment to people. Dd didn't receive hunger signals, vomitted what she ate and didn't engage as she should have with the world. Both had many food allergies, candida and leaky gut. Dd has celiac disease.

We don't use drugs, so we did allergy testing. We eliminated their allergens (of which there were many!) I did extensive research on gut healing and with the help of some great people instituted a protocol. We used whole foods that were unprocessed along with some food based supplements, digestive enzymes and HCL. We also used body work and homeopathy.

My son's eczema is gone, dd's horrid rash is gone. They no longer have keratosis pilaris. Dd's hair is growing as are her nails (they weren't until we eliminated allergens) they are both off the spectrum completely, though dd does lose some language with gluten exposure. Two weeks ago at the park she picked up some discarded crackers and we had a tough week following. They no longer have and candida symptoms and I have successfully reintroduced *most* of their allergens. They are both allergic to soy, dairy, peanuts, gluten and other things that I'm not in a hurry to bring back!

The first step for us in getting them to eat well was removing allergens. There is a chemical reaction than happens in the brain when you have an addiction. As long as those foods are there, or as long as the reaction is occurring I should say you will have a tough time as their symptoms will be aggravated. If gluten was still in my dd's diet for instance, that's all she would eat. When it was removed she suddenly discovered other foods. It wasn't the easiest road, but it was well worth it. You should check out a couple of sites if you haven't:
www.enzymestuff.com Karen DeFelice's site-she had an autistic son that she treated mainly with enzymes. She's a wealth of information.
www.pecanbread.com a whole site of mama's with autistic kid's curing with nutrition.
and check out the healing the gut tribe in health and healing. Lots of info there that will help you! We started healing in 2005. I am still amazed at how much my kid's have taught me!
post #28 of 145
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oh-without a doubt what caused it was my poor gut health. I had natural unmedicated births, my kids are unvaxxed and have never had antibiotics. I have no heavy metal issues and am unaware of environmental contamination. I on the other hand was on heavy doses of antibiotics as a child and teen, had many surgeries and drugs, had awful yeast issues and also have celiac that wasn't diagnosed until dd was. My gut leaked while I was pregnant and nursing. I caused it. I know it's hard to tell from words on the internet, but I don't feel much guilt. Some-yes. But not alot. This is all part of our journey and this was our soul agreement. My kids came here to heal me. And they have. Ds2 has some issues-but he was the final key. He is wonderfully healthy side from soy and dairy sensitivities (which dh seems to have too) and a constant reminder of how much healing I did before he was conceived. It has been a totally different experience!
post #29 of 145
Thank you so much for sharing your story with me. You've definitely given me a lot to think about and investigate.
post #30 of 145
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Originally Posted by firefaery View Post
Fast forward to Doug Graham. He says blood sugar issues arise IN THE PRESENCE of a high fat high fruit diet. He basically says you can do high fat, low fruit or vice versa...but not both. Well, when eating meat I was on a high fat low fruit regimen. Interesting. SO I tested it. I went high fruit low fat for a week to see what would happen. His way of eating appealed to me for many reasons: a. the science he presented, b. I wasn't doing great on too many nuts, c. it is the most simple approach I've seen. It was fine for about 5 days. Then I got woozy and no amount of fruit helped. I ate pounds and pounds of it-with greens. No good. However I did finally break my threshold for weight loss. I lost 4 pounds and alot of water weight (he's a no salt kinda guy.)

It was the most expensive diet I've ever been on. I find it odd that I didn't have any issues with glucose/insulin given the amount of fruit-but I didn't. The wooziness seemed to be more a lack of appropriate fats. I added some in (non nuts) and have been doing great. Interesting to say the least.
Here is what Aajonus says about high fat/low fruit:

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I know that when I eat raw fat with fruit 1) my blood sugar level doesn't get too high because the fat time releases the fruit sugar into my blood for better equilibrium and therefore I don't have the sugar top and drop, 2) I don't have to eat constantlly to keep sugar in my blood, and 3) I get two to three times more energy than when I eat fruit alone.

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Originally Posted by firefaery
I have read that until puberty kiddos don't produce the necessary combination of hormones to utilize veggies. Can't say I agree, but is that why he thinks that? Is there another reason?
Yes, I think that is his reasoning. He says, "children under 15 should only have raw veggie juices occassionally, if necessary for a particular ailment or following a cold or flu, and regularly maybe once every 10 to 22 days."

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Originally Posted by firefaery
I use home remedies in theory, but so rarely have to pull them out. I feel lucky on one hand, but on the other this is why we eat this way. The point as far as I'm concerned is optimal health. I don't think I know everything, but I tend to feel pretty good given our track record and where we came from. My kids have healed quite a bit with nutrition. If that wasn't the case I'd still be looking.
I too feel lucky that I don't have to use much in the way of remedies with my children also. I do use homeopathy on occassions, and of course we take DH's essences, but usually for emotional issues, ie Corn if the children are bickering a lot! I am about to start giving DS Redwood, for a very superficial reason, to assist him to grow tall! He is actually a fairly tall kid for his age, but he is extremely gifted athletically, so we would like to do what we can to assist him to grow to his full potential, in addition to nutrition. We also utlize inert gas technology, which is something that DH is single-handedly experimenting on, although as more practioners begin to use it he is getting more info and feedback on it from other sources.

firefaery, it sounds like you have come so far with healing your children, I am so happy for you. I have to say, I think myself very blessed that we haven't had to deal with anything like that. Do you know that Aajonus was autistic until his early twenties? He believes it was raw foods, in his case mostly raw milk that cured him, although it was raw carrot juice that initially began to heal him. He believes his autism was vaccine/pharmaceutical/toxin induced. It was facinating listening to him describe how it felt to be autistic, and what it was like coming out of it.
post #31 of 145
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That;s right! I forgot your dh makes flower remedies! I love them-no that I've ever used his...at least not knowingly! I have only tried a couple of different types and had success wiht all. I think they are so powerful.

I have read quite a bit about Aajonus-I think most everything that's available on the internet. Can't say I remember that part though. Looks like it's time for a refresher. IT has been a couple of years. I know many people with autism have had success with raw foods-it was one of the things that interested me. The rationale being if this diet was so healing and health promoting it is probably prudent to follow it in general. My kids were only on the spectrum-and as I said just barely. I know several people (only two IRL) that had kids who were truly autistic and healed them with raw foods. One lives close to me and has a 9 year old dd that has come SO far. She used to have major issues with food and I have watched her eat huge green salads, raw hummus, broccoli slaw etc by the pound practically! Her mom said she never touched a veggie before raw.

I know another fabulous lady too whose newborn (again, born at home no vaxxes etc.) has many symptoms of autism. He's only a couple of months old, but apparently it's quite clear (I've only seen him asleep!) As long as she stays raw he has no symptoms. She told me this past weekend she has no doubt he'd be autistic if she wasn't raw. She had a slip up a little bit ago and he regressed and stopped having external connections. I believe (as does she) that he was a gift to heal her family. Without him she never would have gone raw. She looks amazing-almost unrecognizable from her pre-birth days.
post #32 of 145
I am so interested in reading this thread. I love to read what you have to say about the raw diet and admire those of you that follow it. I don't feel I could ever follow a raw diet for several reasons -
The diet seems way too expensive. I am already on a limited grocery budget and produce is already so expensive. My DH would kill me if I spend any more money on groceries!!
I also don't think it would ever satisfy my hunger. I am quite thin and eat a whole foods diet with organic meats. I am also nursing a toddler. I am so hungry most of the time. There is no way I would be full on a green smoothie!!
I have hypoglcemia, which was helped by added organic meats. I am scared of a low protein diet and having those awful low blood sugar attacks.

I eat a whole foods diet with unpasteurized cheese, sourdough breads, fruits/vegetables, nuts and meat. I don't know why I am telling you all this, but I guess I wanted to tell you I read this thread daily and am so impressed with those that follow this diet.

firefaery,
I admire how you heal your kids with this diet. I am curious how your gut issues cause their autistic behaviors. Were you following a special diet when you were pregnant? Did you take any special nutritonal supplements that are recommended for raw food diets like maca and super green foods. I am only curious because I have a friend with an autistic boy on a GF, CF diet with no significant improvement yet. I know she is TTC again soon and was wondering if you had any special advice for her to follow during this pregnancy.
THanks so much!!

LIndsay
post #33 of 145
So in regards to food combining will the body naturally let you know on that one? I don't want to think about not eating a certain thing or waiting for others etc. if I don't have to. Is a person more inclined to keep things in their combined groups naturally or is it something you have to learn?

Also, the raw eggs thing. We were lacto-ovo veggie so we have no problems with eggs. Cooked. I know eggs can be a good source of nutrients and would like to keep them for her. I know DH and I could use them too. Can you taste it/them when you add them to drinks? Maybe I'll sneak one in on DH to see.

I was thinking about all this last night. It's funny how we (general) think cooked food= optimal and complete nutrition. When we were omni I never worried about not getting enough. Once we went veggie I was more aware of stuff but wasnt concerned we were missing out. Now that we are going raw both of us are worried about it. We're eating the same stuff as before! We just aren't cooking it. Kind of funny to me how cooking means it's better somehow.
post #34 of 145
Are Storm and Jinjee fruitarians? Really? I had no idea. I thought they were way into greens. Doug Graham is a fruitarian, I believe...although I don't think he particularly likes the term. Interesting...

I increased my greens "a lot" (like double the previous amount) this past week, and I had the weirdest reaction. Like, one day I would feel AMAZING...like a superbeing, and then the day after I would crash big time...like totally lethargic and anemic feeling. This happened on two occasions. The second time I started to panic and started eating heavier foods, although I'm not sure why exactly. So either the greens have some sort of slightly delayed detox effect or I have some totally unknown issue that needs to be dealt with. Hmmm...

This thread is so interesting this month!! It's really inspiring to read these personal stories. My ds has no health issues that I know of, but he was quite small at birth (normal range, but small) and still is. Just skinny and dinky...although actually quite sturdy and never sick. I'm fairly sure his size is genetic, but I'm always trying to improve his diet and exercise just to see what happens. He eats an organic whole food veg diet and I'm increasing the raw stuff and decreasing and even eliminating things like gluten to see what happens. When he has grains (like oats or brown rice) I soak them beforehand. He eats a ton and has loads of energy...but not loads of weight.
post #35 of 145
How does everyone do their grocery shopping?

We went two weeks ago and tore through 2 weeks worth of groceries fast! It seems like it didn't last as long. It did, we just don't have leftovers anymore to take up space in the fridge. Since it was our first go round of raw shopping we didn't get things that were in various stages of ripe either. So a couple things did get tossed (like 3 avocados DD1 finally wanted one and all 3 were bad!). I know that will be easier thi time around though. So what things do you stock up on that last longer? We have plenty of nuts but the only things left are a head of lettuce, some lemons and limes, and a 2 lb. bag of carrots.
post #36 of 145
hi, I'm not 100% raw but I am trying to up my raw foods (not counting medicinal infusions like tea).

My one question is... who here likes raw BROCCOLI? I want to eat it raw... but oh man... it just doesn't work for me. But I feel like I'm wasting it by cooking it.

Also, how do you eat the stem? It's even less palatable raw. Help! It's just so hard to chew.
post #37 of 145
Hi Meowee, I like to marinate my broccoli in olive oil and a pinch of salt for a while...kind of softens it up.

And shopping...we have lots of farmers markets here so try to make it to at least two a week and stock up. Greens last about 3 days. I just tossed a couple avos too, which was a bummer. It seems like we shop often, every other day? I wish I could get better at planning, I think it would help. And ds's preferences just changed so I feel like I've got to add things to my list now too. Apples, grapefruits, and oranges seem to last a while. We do buy stuff in varying stages too, and frozen fruit. When I buy dried fruits I really stock up, same for nuts/seeds.
post #38 of 145
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It seems like we shop often, every other day?
That's what we do...but then again, pretty much everyone does in this part of the world, raw or not.
post #39 of 145
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Calynde-Storm and Jinjee aren't, but they have said repeatedly that their kids are. Sorry to hear you are having issues-dh is as well. I'm running out the door, but will post more later.

I ADORE raw broccoli! I love it in slaws, salads and I make a dish that came from Ani Phyo that is a broccoli mash. My kids love it-I think it's good too.

We shop every other day. Have to. Our fridge isn't big enough to stock more than that!

I'll be back! It's so great to see all the new faces-raw or not. Thanks for joining us :
post #40 of 145
The frequency of shopping is an issue too-- I can go to the grocery at most once a week. So most of my raw eating is early in the week.

Well, I cut the broccoli very thin and dipped it in hummus. It was good but still wasn't as palatable as cooked broccoli. I'm thinking it has to be pureed or something...
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