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post #41 of 105
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Originally Posted by violetisadora View Post
i don't know if my childhood homelife counts as abusive but my mom suffers from severe depression and was very intolerant of me as a child. my memory of her from that time mostly involves her locking herself in the bathroom and yelling at me to go away we still have a very difficult relationship.



this is me to a T and i hate it. at the end of the day yesterday (after a long weekend basically alone with 2 kids) i cried and cried about these feelings and the dynamic between me and my son. i find myself getting so frustrated and angry - yelling, sending him to his room and basically dragging him when he refuses i know this is not okay. i love him and we have some really great time together but overall i wish i could just relax and enjoy him more. i find so much of his behavior annoying and grating even though the rational part of myself knows he's just a kid with a lot of energy who wants to play and be silly.

after my minibreakdown, i started reading "liberated parents, liberated children" and this morning tried to implement some of those tools. it was actually good and i'm hoping to continue even though i know there will still be bumps in the road.
I feel like I could have written this. My mother is severely mentally ill and has been since it's onset in her early 20s. My father died when I was very young but was an alcoholic...I adored him but he was not very reliable. I've never known anything other than the mood rollercoaster that my mother was constantly on. Treatment never worked for her because her illness was/is so insidious and she is often extremely paranoid and psychotic. Needless to say, it wasn't a healthy environment for a child.

I've done a lot of therapy in my adult life and it's never been as helpful and transformative as it has been since I've become a mother. So it helps me immensely to be able to bring these issues and feelings into therapy and really work on my own stuff...it's really not about our kids. It's about us and what has been ruffled up as a result of having these children. It's so profound, I think , the way this can bring up our stuff so poignantly.

Anyway, let's keep sharing. I love the tips. Mine for right now would be to get into therapy with a good therapist if you can. Even if you can't go every week, going every other can be enough to process the stuff and work through it.
post #42 of 105
I was abused as a child. The spankings I got weren't so bad it was the people in my life who thought it best to "teach" me a lesson. I was an out going, opinionated child. (Still am an adult). My mom spanked, my uncle beat, my granny beat me. I was just "too undisciplined" I was hit so hard by a teachers paddle once I had bruises on my butt.
It has taken years of conseling for me to be functional again. I was a super depressed teen, and my mom was constantly accusing me of drug use. I rarely engaged in doing drugs or alcohol as a teen..but still.
As a parent I have a very tough time dealing with my DS sometimes. A lot of gets me when I reflect isn't how I was taught to behave but the expectation by people who beat me as a kid. I expect him to be something I was told I had to be in order to get the beatings to stop.
In reflecting on my parental goals I want my DS to be an out going citizens. Someone with a moral compass who does right. I want him to question authority, while at the same obeying the rules that govern life. Yes, I do want him to question my motives as he gets older. I expect him to be self preserving.

I could go on and on..and I am happy I have found this thread. Honestly, most days I would rather hit my son (which rarely happens..like once every 6 months when I am tired) than deal with what's going on at the moment. I am a SAHM and wish sometimes I worked so I wouldn't have to deal with it all.
I have found that remaining positive helps. Remembering my son isn't "bad" or even his behavior. Semantics play a huge roll in fooling my mind. LOL. However, it helps me come up with solutions to continue guiding him.

that's all for now
post #43 of 105
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....What I want is to NOT HAVE THE ANGER! Even when I feel my blood starting to boil I am thinking "this is ridiculous! completely out of proportion to the situation" but other than just locking myself away and neglecting my kids I don't know what to do about it......
I can completley relate to these kinds of emotions. I had been in relationship counciling years ago and I was taught something about rage that was enlightening for myself. I was told that my rage was in fact a side effect to a much deeper emotion...it would either stem from pain (either physical or emotional) or fear. With my child, my rage comes from fear. Fear from what? I know my fear is about loosing control of what is going on in the immediate circumstance. And the reason I fear loosing control is because I learned from my father that loosing control = being weak....or so he thought. I have to try to remember that when I feel that emotion (and for me it comes from my stomach) that I'm afraid and sometimes I say it out loud...when I think I am about to snap, I just say those words "I am afraid". I don't know where the road will end with my own journey but I do know that along the way that alot of self talking is helping.
post #44 of 105
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...But part of this also includes wanting more information from her. I have tried to delicately bring up the subject, to get a little more background about how she was feeling when things got violent, but I also don't want to hurt her feelings and cause her any pain.

Anyone successfully done this with their parents?
I attempted to converse with my mother - I wouldn't say successfully. My mum looks after my son sometimes and she is incredible with him. However there is this one thing she does that drives me nutts: When DS is acting out, she threatens to leave. She tells him "well fine, if that's how you are going to behave, then I am going to leave". When I hear this, I go rhealing into my younger years and remember all the pain and sorrow those words caused me and how utterly frightened I felt when she spoke those to me. I have told her this and how unhappy those statements made me feel. I have asked her "is this what you want? Do you want him to be afraid? What you are doing is trying to control him by instilling fear into him" She doesn't really say much and she hasn't stopped doing it either. I think somethings are difficult to change in others because they have to see the mistake themselves. Thankfully, so far I see that my son has not reacted to her saying those things
post #45 of 105
Just jumping in to offer support. I was abused as a child and it was hard to admit that to myself, even though it is true. I was verbally, emotionally, and physically (not sexually that I know of) abused. I guess it is true that "admitting it is the first step" because I lived in denial about it until my early 20's.

I was a gifted, social, curious, sensitive child and unfortunately that was labeled "too smart for my own good", "show off", "difficult", "dramatic" child. My mom was a single mama of four children with her own childhood issues and not a lot of coping mechanisms. Couple that with a strict Irish Catholic upbringing and the stress of caring financially/emotionally/legally/physically for herself and children spelled disaster for a child that was any less than compliant.

I was verbally abused, screamed at, yelled at, shamed, manipulated, and beat with wooden spoons, wire hangers, brushes, hands. I got the worst of it because of all my siblings I was the one who questioned the most, who was "stubborn", "defiant", and incidentally, the one most like my mother in basic personality traits ---- I believe that abusing me was a form of self loathing for my mom. That is just my armchair analysis but it makes sense to me. Maybe she could yell or beat out of me whatever made her unlovable to her father as a child. Her dad was apparently pretty rough to live with on a lot of levels (he died before I was born).

My childhood abuse did a lot of damage to me and to this day I have emotional reactions to things that others may not if they were raised differently. During my teens I was depressed, sullen, suicidal, rebellious, acted out in many ways. In my late teens I was in abusive relationships (more emotional not physical), had a low self esteem, abused drugs, ruined friendships, acted inappropriately in stressful situations, was verbally abusive.... oh the list goes on...

When I finally admitted to myself (around 21) that I had been abused... that abuse is a tricky thing because my mom was wonderful in a lot of ways too (which caused a lot of conflicting feelings and still does from time to time)... I began to work on myself.

Working on myself was the hardest and also the most rewarding thing in the world. I had to take a long hard look at who I was and I had to chisel away at and break through years and years of limiting beliefs, of negative labels, of manipulation, of negative self talk placed on me that I eventually had adopted to get to the "real" me. I was buried under so many labels that had been reinforced and that I had adopted. I had to come out under the heavy, heavy weight of self hatred and anger at my parents, the world, God, anyone and anything... I was just angry.

The pp was right though. After I chiseled away at all the anger, what was left was a little girl in a woman's body who was in so much pain. So much pain. I had to find a way to "re-raise" the little girl within me. To take her and mother her, and tell her all the things I never heard. I had to learn to show her love, and she needed to learn to allow herself to be loved. I replaced my self talk, I defined boundaries, I began doing things I loved, I began claiming time for myself without guilt. I began replacing negative words with positive words -- I am not stubborn, I am strong-willed and sure of my beliefs. I am not defiant, I think outside of the box... I am not a mistake, I am meant to be here and I am made of the same matter as the stars in the sky and the majestic mountains. I am a child of God (your mileage may vary based on personal belief system ) ...and I have a right to be here and a right to be happy.

Around this time I confronted my mom. We have always had an unhealthy sort of codependent relationship. We could be the best of friends one minute, then the next minute she could be screaming abuses at me over a tiny arguement. It was insane, and it was also a cycle and relationship that I was contributing to as well. So while I could "blame" her for her abuse in the past, I also had to take some responsibility as an adult in allowing a cycle to continue. Wow, we had some big, big arguements around that time. It was nuts, but it was needed I think. We had to hash everything out....

Also beneath the anger, hurt, pain, blame, rage of my childhood -- I had to learn to forgive. Not for my mom, for me. I had to learn that forgiveness has nothing at all to do with the person you are forgiving -- forgiveness for me meant that I was not going to continue to live in a prison of pain, anger, rage, blame. I was carrying around this huge burden of hate, both for my mom and for myself, and I had to let that go. I found a way to see my mom as a little girl in pain herself in a 60 year old body. I learned to really listen to her -- in subjects not even pertaining to my childhood. When I actually heard her, I heard a person with so many fears, and pain, and hang-ups, and limiting beliefs and abuse from her own childhood that she is still in denial about.

It doesn't at all excuse what was done to me, let me make that clear. It doesn't make it okay. When I learned to view my mom in that light though, it helped soften the anger. It allowed me to reclaim my personal strength and know inside myself that I have come so far in my journey at twentysomething, that I can reach out to this person in so much pain and help *parent* her in a sense. My mom has come to some realizations of her own as well since I have been on this journey.

She has asked me for my forgiveness and I have given it to her. I never wanted an apology, though it was validating. I got to a place though, where I didn't need it -- but I think I did still need the acknowledgment that she did a lot of things that were effed up.

In a weird way my abusive childhood has helped shaped me in a most positive way. Let me be clear, no one deserves abuse and it is terrible. However, for me, this journey from crumpled, broken, worthless, abused little girl (how I felt not what I actually was) to strong, loving, confident, peaceful woman has been one of the most powerful life experiences I have ever had.

I am still on that journey though!

I have to do regular "maintenance" (for lack of a better word ) on my progress. I have to be accountable. I have to maintain my level of self care and not feel at all guilty about needing regular time (at least a half an hour a day) for ME. I meditate, I pray, I get enough sleep, I eat regular meals, I get enough water, I love myself, I affirm myself, I forgive myself, I value myself, I am gentle with myself when I stumble.

I am fortunate in that I chose to have dd at 28. I think to myself, had I given birth to her at 20 I can only imagine the cycle would have continued. Having dd has been so healing for my life in that I can't control the past but I can control how I act in the future -- just knowing that I am breaking the cycle with her -- her experience won't be ANYTHING like mine growing up, even if I do occasionally raise my voice or act snappy -- she is raised with unconditional love, safety, validation, respect ... and in a sense I am giving to another little girl what no one gave to my mom, what I didn't get, and what I had to give to myself.

DD won't have to work so hard and I am thankful for that. She will never wonder if she is loved or wanted and if she knows that, I am doing a lot right.

Having dd has also been healing for my relationship with my mother. Seeing my mom with dd is very surreal. My mom is so loving toward dd, so caring, so patient, so respectful --- one thing I am working on is the fact that I have emotional reactions to my mom relating to things that happened twenty five years ago. For example, she may say to dd -- "Oh honey, grandmom doesn't want you to do X, Y ..." and I will get immediately defensive and react in that way. I am still working on that!

I think it is one way my mom tries to *right* her *wrongs*, by being so good to dd. My dd loves her and I know she loves dd so very much.

Sometimes my mom will out of the blue say things that hit me to my core. Like we will be coloring with dd or something and out of the blue she will say something like " I really wish I could have done this with you more when you were little".

Again, it doesn't excuse what she did, but when I hear things like that through the way I approach the world now --- as a healed woman instead of a broken little girl, what I hear in those words are "I am sorry, I just didn't know how to mother"....

...and I remember that saying "Be Kind. Everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle".
post #46 of 105
Tara, I teared up reading that. Thanks.

Pat
post #47 of 105
Beautiful, captain crunchy.

It's amazing to see yourself reflected so clearly and eloquently.
post #48 of 105
aww Pat thanks -- you've helped me in my journey too and I thank you for that
post #49 of 105
Wow, you are an amazing woman, captain crunchy!!
post #50 of 105
Thank you so much for your kind comments. We are all amazing women, just remember that
post #51 of 105
thank you for that captain crunchy. beautiful post.

i am trying to get to where you are - to let go of anger and forgive - but i resist. as a kid, i dealt with feeling neglected by my mother by turning that sadness into anger and developing a shell of toughness to protect me. i have been in therapy for...well, forever and it definitely helps, but there's something inside me that can't/won't let it go yet.

i also think i have so much emotionally invested in breaking the cycle of bad parenting that when my son "acts up", "acts out" or doesn't listen - i take it really personally. like, "how dare you act this way! i'm trying to do everything right!". it's ridiculous, i know, but that's how i feel sometimes.

today was a great morning (no struggles) but yesterday was horrible and i did all the things i know i shouldn't do - minimizing feelings > reacting to behavior > punishing > yelling > arm grabbing - the whole bit and he was screaming, spitting, cursing at me, punching the couch - it was horrible.

we talked about it later in the day and i said that i felt really sad about starting the day like that and ds asked me to tell him the story of what happened. i thought that was really interesting so i retold it from a more feelings-oriented perspective " i wanted you to try on your new pants but you really didn't want to and i didn't understand that and then you got a little frustrated and started whining. when i snapped at you to stop whining, you got even more frustrated so you started whipping your shirt at me. i told you i didn't like that and asked you to stop but you didn't listen to me and you kept doing it and then i got so angry about not feeling heard that i grabbed the shirt out of your hands...." i went through the whole saga like this and he was fascinated. he even asked me to tell him again. once we were done, i said "Let's both do our best to listen and respect each other so this doesn't happen tomorrow."

what do you all think about that? do you all apologize when you lose your temper? sometimes i do but i am also wary of taking 100% responsibility for these things because i worry that it will reinforce his less-than-ideal behavior.
post #52 of 105
My DD is only almost 23 months but I always apologize if I yell & it upsets her. I have to use simpler terms than you do but I think it would have made an enormous difference in my childhood if my mother had ever come to me & said "I'm sorry I lost my cool with you. I shouldn't act like that." Because really she just always acted like I deserved it no matter what the "provocation" was. And my dad always acted like the most important part of my life was protecting my mother from all harm. : Not a child's job!

But! lol I digress. Sometimes I do that....

I think it's great that you talked about it!
post #53 of 105
J likes to hear the rundown of what happened when we argue also. I think it really helps them process the whole thing. What I struggle with is that she likes to hear it over and over again. I struggle so much with this because it makes me feel like she is blaming/shaming me like my parents used to. It's sounds so ridiculous, and I didn't even realize that I feel that way until just now. Wow!!

Hmmm, is there a point at which I should ask her to stop rehashing it or do you all think it is important to discuss it as much as she wants or maybe needs to? I'm at a loss now.
post #54 of 105
Violetisadora, I always recap things with my two year old. He wants to hear the story of conflicts over and over, I think it helps him process it. Actually, I do this even more consciously since reading "Parenting From the Inside Out" because the author talks a lot about how hearing stories activates both sides of the brain and helps develop mindfulness. So I think it sounds like a great idea for you to rehash things! Maybe since your son is older, you could even draw cartoons or write stories together of what happened.
post #55 of 105
Is it too late to join this thread? :
post #56 of 105
Of course you can!

I'd say the more the merrier but given the topic that doesn't seem to fit. But you get the sentiment right?

The more of us there are to support each other, the stronger we are!
post #57 of 105
Hi. I'm new to the forums, and I'm a guy, so please tell me to butt out if y'all are uncomfortable with me joining you. My dad beat me. I don't think of it as abuse, but I don't want to be the kind of parent he was. I have trouble keeping my temper and I'm a lot stricter than my wife is, but I'm trying to mellow out without being too permissive. I hit my son once and I never will again. Ironically it was my father who ticked me off the most about it. He's a much better grandfather than he was a father.
post #58 of 105
S'okay with me! We're all parents & people and we all have the same kind of struggles! Welcome
post #59 of 105
It's fine with me.

Today I had a really good day with ds2. We went out for a couple hours and then were home for a bit before ds1 & h came home. I actually felt like the kind of mother I want to be. Ds2 is so much easier than ds1 ever was. I kind of feel like we got the trial by fire with ds1 and maybe things would have been easier if he'd had a personality more like ds2.

I know that's no excuse for not being able to keep my cool, but he's just...really high needs, really energetic, incredibly impulsive and one of those people who just gets an idea in their heads and it's nearly impossible to get him to stop. He drives me up the wall sometimes and I try so hard to keep calm.

I think I'm slowly getting better, though. I'm trying to be more sympathetic when he gets upset, even though what he's getting upset about generally seems completely trivial and he usually has multiple things every day. My biggest triggers are when I'm tired and when I'm angry about other things going on.

I got some more parenting books from the library, including Easy to Love, Difficult to Discipline. I've been meaning to get it for awhile and this thread reminded me to finally get it.
post #60 of 105
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Originally Posted by fatherof4sofar View Post
Hi. I'm new to the forums, and I'm a guy, so please tell me to butt out if y'all are uncomfortable with me joining you. My dad beat me. I don't think of it as abuse, but I don't want to be the kind of parent he was. I have trouble keeping my temper and I'm a lot stricter than my wife is, but I'm trying to mellow out without being too permissive. I hit my son once and I never will again. Ironically it was my father who ticked me off the most about it. He's a much better grandfather than he was a father.
Welcome!! Please join in...talking about this stuff here or irl is so helpful and healing.

I was going to chime in today and share that I had a pretty good one. I've been really struggling with old stuff since my oldest started school this year. It brought up so many memories for me in such a visceral way. Essentially, I've been having flashbacks which I've never had before...well, at least I didn't realize it before if I did have them. Thank god for therapy to help me work all of this out! (It's amazing...I've been in and out of therapy for about 18 years and I'm getting so much out of it at this point in my life! It's been great throughout the years, but this has been the time in my life of huge healing and growth...amazing what kids can do! )

Anyway, I went to therapy today and it was so healing. Lots of tears and really sitting in the old, nasty feelings with no defenses in between me and the trauma. Really raw stuff...it's so hard to be there, but when I got home I felt so relieved and like a burden was lifted. I know it isn't the end...the journey continues and the trauma will resurface, but it helps to know that with each encounter with the pain, the pain does lessen. I learn new ways to cope and take care of myself and I process the pain further.

A lot of my recent stuff was triggered when my mom went off of her meds for the millionth time. This is nothing new, but the way I am responding is different each time as I do more work on healing. (btw, I'm essentially my mother's guardian now so this is stuff that I deal with closely and it gets very tricky). Anyway, I was able to actually call her tonight after not speaking to her since she went off the meds. I shared with her that when she goes off of them, I have to stay away because of her psychosis and I just can't be there for her when she's that unhealthy. It felt really liberating to just tell her how I felt but not expecting any change from her. She actually took it well...by that I mean she didn't freak out, she listened but I'm sure it won't change anything. But it was a big step to just honestly tell her why I've been out of touch for the last couple of weeks.

Anyway, sorry to ramble about it. It was a big day of healing and for that I am so grateful. I'm hoping to be more present with my boys...that's always my goal. And less reactive and more clear about what's really going on with me. I loved one of the pp's suggestions about imaging the worst that can possibly happen. I did that today and I think it helped.

I think I'm going to try very brief meditation throughout the day and see if that helps. Anyone else doing that? I'm imaging just watching my breath and trying to center and get present. We shall see...

Let's keep posting how our days are going and try to support each other in our efforts to not carry our past into the present with our kids.
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