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post #41 of 64
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Originally Posted by mirlee View Post
No one has mentioned that most schools have adopted zero tolerance policies. Most of these policies sound and are totally nuts. Based on the actions of a few students who did something bad, the policies now basically give punishments not matter what the infraction is.

I think suspension is a waste. In school suspension is better. They have to go to school, they have to do their work, they are under constant supervision, they have no rights or privelges. I would personally make them write a report based on their actions.

Taking his grades down 30% is wrong. He did earn those grades.

I'll have to ask Dh his opinion. He's a teacher.
ITA with this. Schools think that they are the parents of peoples children and that they own them. It's gotten insane IMO.

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Originally Posted by jbodily View Post
He was not aiming at the car. He succumbed to peer pressure. The other kids were tossing the bottle around the bus and he batted at it and it went out the open window. As far as other behavioral trouble, he has been tardy once at school because he likes to talk to his peers. He has not had problems on the bus nor problems in his classes as far as problematic behavior. This is his first year at this school. He has a detention because I wouldn't excuse his late when he failed to set his alarm clock and had to wait for my younger two children to get ready before I could get him to school. I let him experience the consequence of his action. My problem in this case is the ridiculous 30% reduction in grades which will mean repeating 10th grade. The school claims they are not trying to "crush" him academically..but how can they not be??? The kid is suspended, losing 30% of his grades on homework (can't make up tests or quizzes), and the school is demanding restitution to them. I can go with the restitution, I think bus suspension or In school suspension would be more appropriate in this case but the deduction of 30% is absolutely unfair.

Jamie
ITA, wow that is so freaking messed up.

Can you pull him out of there and put him in a better school?
post #42 of 64
have you spoken to the principal again? anyone on the school board? a lawyer?
this whole situation is just ridiculous -- has your son been back to school?
post #43 of 64
Basically what he did was littering. There were unforseen consequences to that littering, but it seems insane to give a 2 week suspension and a huge mark deduction for littering :

Though from the PoV of a 15 year old boy, what are the real consequences/lessons learned?
1) he gets to spend 2 weeks at home all day without parental supervision (TV, computer, hanging out)
2) he will probably fail the term and thus have to repeat the year, so why bother to make any effort to work for the rest of the year, since he will be doing it all over
3) he learns that school grades are not dependant on his academic efforts alone, and no matter how hard he works they can be lost for totally unrelated reasons.

*not saying this will be YOUR son's attitude, but it is something to wonder about with respect to the school's response*
post #44 of 64
They should be able to suspend him, but NOT hurt his grade. Grades should ONLY be for academic work. I'd contact an attorney and take it to court. Seriously.
post #45 of 64
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Originally Posted by Arduinna View Post
ITA with this. Schools think that they are the parents of peoples children and that they own them. It's gotten insane IMO.
This is so far reaching and so unbelievably true. I have had dozens of disagreements with school personnel over my son (he is special needs - behaviorally based not a physical or obvious impairment). The schools have refused to work with me and have treated him negatively in many situations where it was not deserved based on their own ideas and their opinion that THEY are parenting my child. My situation is entirely different, but the lack of willingness to be part of a team in my child's life and an insistence that everything was non-negotiable regardless of how illogical was just as extreme.
post #46 of 64
...oh, In School Suspension...*twitches*
I have to agree with this comment. If you hadn't noticed, I was a horrible student, an even worse teenager to my parents...just all together a hell child. : I got over it and grew up and am having my own little one here any day now. *woot!* (Sorry, I like frequenting the Teen forum...)
In School Suspension, if they have such a thing there (which they SHOULD) is by far the WORST punishment you can imagine while still being the most practical. It is NOT fun in any way shape or form. I remember having to be there the minute I stepped on campus, having to sit down and be still, they gave me an assignment (most of the time beyond just normal homework, this consisted of my writing the same sentence 100 times on a piece of paper for whatever reason I was in there, but only AFTER I had finished my homework) then we took two bathroom breaks...lunch was eaten in the room, quietly. And those who had all their homework finished (they checked it before we did this) got the pleasure of running around campus and...CLEANING UP LITTER. So, yes, I think ISS would've been a much better route for them to have taken. But then again, that's only because I'm assuming that they'd do the same things that they did when I went to ISS...
Plus they were smart enough to have the most strict teacher watching over the class. Don't even bother talking...unless you like ISS for another day.
post #47 of 64
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Originally Posted by Marcee View Post
While I can see kicking him off the bus, and the police and said car owner being involved, I have NO idea why the school would suspend him AND take away 30% of his grade.... That is INSANE!!! He should be punished. But I dont get the grade thing.
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post #48 of 64
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Originally Posted by mahna_mahna View Post
...oh, In School Suspension...*twitches*
I have to agree with this comment. If you hadn't noticed, I was a horrible student, an even worse teenager to my parents...just all together a hell child. : I got over it and grew up and am having my own little one here any day now. *woot!* (Sorry, I like frequenting the Teen forum...)
In School Suspension, if they have such a thing there (which they SHOULD) is by far the WORST punishment you can imagine while still being the most practical. It is NOT fun in any way shape or form. I remember having to be there the minute I stepped on campus, having to sit down and be still, they gave me an assignment (most of the time beyond just normal homework, this consisted of my writing the same sentence 100 times on a piece of paper for whatever reason I was in there, but only AFTER I had finished my homework) then we took two bathroom breaks...lunch was eaten in the room, quietly. And those who had all their homework finished (they checked it before we did this) got the pleasure of running around campus and...CLEANING UP LITTER. So, yes, I think ISS would've been a much better route for them to have taken. But then again, that's only because I'm assuming that they'd do the same things that they did when I went to ISS...
Plus they were smart enough to have the most strict teacher watching over the class. Don't even bother talking...unless you like ISS for another day.


@ my dd's high school they did away with ISS and have whats called ALT ED. Its a different school that all the trouble makers go go and they have to serve like 1-3 months in ALT ED. Not sure what they learn by going there, other then being a bigger disruption, and they do OSS... which was always fun for me lol. Give me 3 days off, thank you!
post #49 of 64
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Originally Posted by Tinas3muskateers View Post
@ my dd's high school they did away with ISS and have whats called ALT ED. Its a different school that all the trouble makers go go and they have to serve like 1-3 months in ALT ED. Not sure what they learn by going there, other then being a bigger disruption, and they do OSS... which was always fun for me lol. Give me 3 days off, thank you!
We had both of those.
Alternative Education was also for the "trouble makers" as it were (I went there the last two years of high school because I was a ...very bad kid.) What we did was we were given any and all homework in whatever we wanted to take and we were allowed to do it at our own pace. Surprisingly enough, this worked wonders! A lot of the students that were "trouble makers" (myself, somewhat included) were just bored in school and therefore disruptive. Of course, we knew what we were doing was wrong...so that doesn't mean it was justified. But ultimately, a lot of people that would not have graduated from high school got to graduate a YEAR EARLY in Alternative School. They even built the new Alternative School in a different area from the high school, making it into a new 'school' altogether.
It was nice...if only I had stopped being stupid before I went there...
post #50 of 64
I'm on the first page, but the teacher in me has a huge issue with this affecting his grade. That's foolish. An academic grade is meant to represent the student's level of proficiency in a subject. Period. It is not meant to reflect behaviour of any kind, not even behaviour within the classroom, let alone behaviour on the school bus.

Out of school suspension is only supposed to be used when a child is considered too dangerous to remain in the school building. In school suspension was created precisely for circumstances like this, where getting out of school would be a vacation. I think that regardless of the school punishment, you should stick with your own idea of restitution and walking home from school. Just because the school enacts a stupid consequence does not mean that you can't follow up with a logical one.
post #51 of 64
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Originally Posted by UUMom View Post
Heck, I have beloved relatives who live in FL. But if you skim through these boards, you'll find many stories about FL schools. I especially remember the one where a 5 yr old was tasered, and another where they handcuffed a Kindergartner to a chair. And one other word: Jeb.

Ti change it, you've got to own it.

But wouldn't it be fun if the boy in the OP was from MA? (That's where I am from). If he is MA, I know that there is no way the school can do that and she has legal recourse.
Yeah, I do "own" it. We're working hard in FL to make a difference now that Governor "Duh" is gone (Our Gov. now is Charlie Crist; jury's still out on that)...

My own children go to a public, charter Montessori School and are receiving a fabulous education. My husband is involved actively with school reform and plans to open his own high school. I'm involved in trying to get a Montessori Middle school opened. Change can happen, it is happening.

Owning it is one thing; purposefully making jibes and jokes is unnecessary, really. It's fine--FL's an easy mark, but for those of us here trying to make a difference, it's irritating as hell to see comments like this.
post #52 of 64
Uhh. Sorry about that. My husband was logged in.
post #53 of 64
I'm sorry but I can see why they suspended him(although I do think 10 days is a very long time). THe only thing I do not agree with is taking 30% off his grade for it, that should not be included as "punishment".
post #54 of 64
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Originally Posted by mtiger View Post
Actually, I don't think it's too harsh. What if the driver whose car was hit lost control in the face of some unidentified object hitting his/her car and slammed into an oncoming car, killing someone? No, that's not being dramatic. It happens quite often.

If it were my kid, he'd be coming to work with me every day, not getting a free pass sitting at home.
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Originally Posted by AbundantLife View Post
I believe that your DS should be punished for what he did. If he gets the impression that you think the school is being too harsh, he may not think it is important to respect the rules at school and on the bus.
I agree with this. Like most posters, I think the 30% grade reduction is overly harsh, but I'd be glad that (1) the driver of the car wasn't injured/killed, and (2) my child wasn't expelled.
post #55 of 64
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Originally Posted by jbodily View Post
My problem in this case is the ridiculous 30% reduction in grades which will mean repeating 10th grade. The school claims they are not trying to "crush" him academically..but how can they not be??? The kid is suspended, losing 30% of his grades on homework (can't make up tests or quizzes), and the school is demanding restitution to them. I can go with the restitution, I think bus suspension or In school suspension would be more appropriate in this case but the deduction of 30% is absolutely unfair.

Jamie
I think you can appeal all of this. If you are asking them to change the suspension to an in school suspension, and drop the idea of a 30% grade reduction, they might do this, because you aren't saying "my kid would never do that, he's so precious"

I DO think he needs to be in trouble for what he did. I wouldn't totally believe my kid if she said, "I didn't mean to throw it out the window". I would belive she didn't mean to hit a car though.

But, to make it impossible to pass the 10th grade over this would be too much for me to tolerate. I would possibly even take that to the media. People in your district need to hear what happens to a kid when he makes one little mistake. It isn't like he was dropping bolders off the freeway overpass.

I would probably look into other schools if I couldn't get them to change their minds on the grade reduction. I don't think I could let my child repeat a grade for one mistake. I made TONS of bad choices as a teen. If I had to punished for every stupid idea, I would still be in high school.
post #56 of 64
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Originally Posted by zaadad View Post
Yeah, I do "own" it. We're working hard in FL to make a difference now that Governor "Duh" is gone (Our Gov. now is Charlie Crist; jury's still out on that)...

My own children go to a public, charter Montessori School and are receiving a fabulous education. My husband is involved actively with school reform and plans to open his own high school. I'm involved in trying to get a Montessori Middle school opened. Change can happen, it is happening.

Owning it is one thing; purposefully making jibes and jokes is unnecessary, really. It's fine--FL's an easy mark, but for those of us here trying to make a difference, it's irritating as hell to see comments like this.
Oh, trust me, I am rooting for you. It's sickening enough to have a B who is pres, but to experience a B pres while also having a B as govenor... ...Shiver....is all I can say.

The whole country is watching FL try to turn it around. Honest to the goddesses.
post #57 of 64
As a high school teacher I felt the need to chime in. As for the punishment the 10 day suspension is pretty standard for something that dangerous. As for the grade reduction issue what does your student/parent handbook say? If it says that the grade reduction is part of the punishment than you don't have much to stand on as you were made aware of the consequences your child would be held to way before your child ever misbehaved.

Also you have not mentioned if your child has had any previous disiplinary action. Has he recived any detentions, Iss's or Oss's before(meaning this year or last year). Have teachers or the school called home about any previous misbehaviors?

I ask as those things also play into how severely your child will be punished. I'd be darn suprised if the school was seeking an extension on the OSS for a first time offender (in my district punishments build and extentions come after a series of write-up even if the last one wasn't serious), however, if they are then you need to fight the extension.
post #58 of 64
opps double posted so I deleted the second post.
post #59 of 64
This sounds like a rough situation. I never liked the idea of off campus suspension. However, as a teacher, I think I can clarify the "30% grade reduction." My understanding from this is that homework and quizzes make up 30% of your child's total grade. During the 2 weeks that he will be out of class, he will not be able to take in class quizzes or hand in homework, so he will receive 0s on any homework and quizzes for those 2 weeks. They will not deduct anything from his current grades, nor take anything from his grades once he is back. It also sounds as though he CAN make up any tests he misses during the 2 weeks. Assuming I'm understanding this correctly, this is not as harsh a punishment as it sounded at first. The school I taught at required teachers to send all work to all students everyday that they were out on suspension (which was in school). It created LOTS of work for already overworked teachers. I can see how this policy came about, even if I don't 100% agree with it. Although it will certainly hurt his grade, it will not inherently cause him to fail - especially if you are certain to make sure he keeps up with what's going on in class by getting homework assignments and notes from peers.
post #60 of 64
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Originally Posted by Flower of Bliss View Post
This sounds like a rough situation. I never liked the idea of off campus suspension. However, as a teacher, I think I can clarify the "30% grade reduction." My understanding from this is that homework and quizzes make up 30% of your child's total grade. During the 2 weeks that he will be out of class, he will not be able to take in class quizzes or hand in homework, so he will receive 0s on any homework and quizzes for those 2 weeks. They will not deduct anything from his current grades, nor take anything from his grades once he is back. It also sounds as though he CAN make up any tests he misses during the 2 weeks. Assuming I'm understanding this correctly, this is not as harsh a punishment as it sounded at first. The school I taught at required teachers to send all work to all students everyday that they were out on suspension (which was in school). It created LOTS of work for already overworked teachers. I can see how this policy came about, even if I don't 100% agree with it. Although it will certainly hurt his grade, it will not inherently cause him to fail - especially if you are certain to make sure he keeps up with what's going on in class by getting homework assignments and notes from peers.
If so, that sounds like a much more reasonable explanation.
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