The Pinworm Thread - Page 6

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WuWei

I read that study maybe two years ago and I remember feeling very validated by it. I do think parasites are beneficial for alot of reasons. Thanks for bringing that to the table. There are a couple of other MD's in the heads of their departments at other Universities that have the same stance.

[FancyD]

twighkight, could you link me to those studies? I have never heard of parasites being beneficial. PM is cool, too.

[momster]

dilemna

I'm really enjoying this discussion.

You know, I think one of the reasons my son go the worms is that I've always believed it's good for him to be exposed to germs, so he touches everything and hardly anything has grossed me out until the pinworm (ok the day he leapt out of his subway seat, grabbed a bead off the dirty subway floor and popped it in his mouth, that did gross me out).

And I enjoyed all the links to Weinstock's work using T. sius worm to treat IBD. I couldn't open 2 of the links, but all the other were links to Weinstock's research.

But in one of the articles, I think it was the NY times article, they mention that deworming was begun b/c parasites can also have negative consequences, such as anemia for some parasites, and in extreme cases of pinworm - appendicitis. They also said that Weinstock chose the particular parasite used in the study because it does not cause side effects in pig farmers. They did not use pinworms in the studies for the links I opened.

So my son seems to be heavily infested. Lots of worms coming out in his poop. And he's starting to complain of severe itching over the past few days. Didn't go away with Vermox. His diet, as I said before, is already very good except for his recent addition of a bit of sweetener (and I'm talking a tiny amt of unrefined cane sugar, some agave and some raw honey). Way way less than even your typical healthy toddler eats.

So maybe the pinworms are going to help him with his dairy and gluten allergies? Or maybe he just ate a hell of a lot of eggs one day (we live in a big, very dirty city).

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by FancyD

twighkight, could you link me to those studies? I have never heard of parasites being beneficial. PM is cool, too.

The study to which she is referring is posted one page back. http://www.mothering.com/discussions...4&postcount=99


Pat

[mommyinIL1976]

I'm shocked by the number of posters saying that they wouldn't treat for pinworms or would let them run their course.

DD had them once and was miserable until they were gone.

Would you want this on your anus?:

http://abyssaldepths.files.wordpress...is-pinworm.jpg

[mommyinIL1976]

WARNING...VERY GRAPHIC PICTURE...BEWARE

Here's what an ascaris (roundworm) infection looks like:

http://curezone.com/image_gallery/pa...scaris/003.jpg

[eclipse]

holy crap!

DS and I just had pin worms. I treated them ASAP - they hurt like hell.

[SevenVeils]

Originally Posted by firefaery

but you realize that there are a large number of holistic vets that would not treat for fleas, but instead alter the nutrient intake of the animal and use things to optimize utilization of said nutrients, right? Just like with mosquitoes who won't feed on a person who is adequately nourished upping certain nutrients in the animals diet will discourage the fleas and leave them looking for alternate "hosts."

Fleas and mosquitoes have never touched me. I mean, yes I've gotten the infrequent bites, but literally fleas jump on me and leap off immediately. Same with mosquitoes. I've watched them land on me, sort of walk all around looking for a tasty spot or whatever, then fly away. They almost never bite me. This has been true throughout my entire life, during times when I would eat once every two or three days, times when I have eaten nothing at all refined and didn't step foot in a grocery store for years, and all in between.

Originally Posted by MamaWindmill

Where in the world are people getting the idea that mosquitoes avoid healthy people?

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Originally Posted by firefaery

I came across this years ago and even people IRL comment because me and my kids don't get bitten while everyone around us does. It's a useful bit of info. Feel free to ignore it.

See above. Even if there isn't another host near me, they will not bite me.

Originally Posted by MamaWindmill

I would be all for anything that is safe and provides relief for Crohn's patients. I feel really bad for people with Crohn's.

I almost certainly have Crohn's.

I also have an autoimmune disorder called Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia, and most likely (as of recently) fibromyalgia.

I had pinworms as a child.

And if it were as simple as ill health = parasite attraction, I would certainly not be having fleas and mosquitoes turning up their noses at me constantly. I was very healthy until a very few years ago. For years, I did not touch anything at all that was refined, I made my own bread and granola daily, I had goats for milk, chickens for eggs, and rabbits for meat. And a large organic garden. And my own organic fruit trees. Nothing has affected my repulsion factor to said parasites, not my diet, not my health.

So, while I do know that there is a connection there, it is not black and white. There are many other factors at play.

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[woo27ks]

Thanks for all of the information. My dd has pinworms again - this is her 3x since February.

It makes me feel better to read that she isn't the only one.

[e.Rishavy]

We are battening down the hatches again!

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[chiromamma]

We used grated carrot and pumpkin seeds for pinworms. Take an organic carrot, peel it and grate it using the fine part of your grater. Have your kids eat that on an empty stomach every morning, along with a handful of raw pumpkin seeds...every morning without fail. When we went through this, it became routine for months just to be sure.
You seem very distraught and I'm sorry to tell you this but it's like the OTC meds won't work. If you want to go the drug route, get a prescription. I know you said finances are tight but you're throwing away your money on Pin-x.
Yes, it's possible for pimworms to re-infest again and again but the key is to also strengthen your overall immune systems so you are not susceptible
Good luck Pinworms suck.

[momster]

pinworms still around

So, our pinworms I think are back (or they never left). DS was scratching his bottom tonight and saying it was really really itchy.

We did 2 doses of mebendazole 2 wks apart. It's not quite 2 wks since the last dose.

We also did raw garlic, carrots and pumpkin seeds. I did it for 2 wks and DS did for a few days and then he wouldn't do it anymore. i was suprised he did the raw garlic at all.

We washed sheets, clothes, towels daily for one week, then frequently since then. Bathed daily for about 10 days. Bathed our dog daily and vaccumed daily for a week. We were up til 2am every morning cleaning to get rid of eggs. Cleaned all the toys. Cut nails. Washed hands, kept fingers out of mouths.

I don't know what more we could do. Our diets are very good.

I did try the black walnut tincture for a while but didn't feel like it was working. Did anybody successfully use herbs and if so how long did it take.

Oh and I never figured out which cleaners besides bleach will kill the eggs. We used diluted apple cider vinegar and putting some things in the sunlight.

Can anyone who's successfully dealt with stubborn pinworms please tell me exactly what you did?

Thank you.

[moondiapers]

really, honestly......diatomaceous earth works (food grade) we're still pinworm free....

[kayjayjay]

Originally Posted by moondiapers

really, honestly......diatomaceous earth works (food grade) we're still pinworm free....

We've dealt with stubborn pinworms before, and finally prevailed after lots of work and time, but if we get them again this will be the first thing I try. I'm ordering some to have on hand for our chickens anyway.

Good luck.

[moondiapers]

I just added to our food. Anything that was liquidy enough to hide it on got some added.....and I baked it into our bread. It took about 2 weeks for me to feel confident enough to stop....and that was plenty of time to have cleaned the house top to bottome twice.

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

Ugggh :Puke: NO way on this earth would I not treat worms of any kind. They are parasites and serve no purpose other than to make life miserable for the carrier.

I need to take stool samples in on the kids.

[Ginny-mommy]

First off, I want to say that I haven't yet tried diatomaceous earth because I didn't know about it when we had our last bout with pinworms. I'm sure it works wonders and I will try it next time...crossing my fingers that there is no next time.

Here is my approach. I give more than two doses of mebendazole (Vermox). I give at least 4 doses--all two weeks apart. All the medical information I have read says that if 2 doses don't work, then treat again. This means 4 doses in all. I say why not just do them all the first time. I have not found any evidence that this is harmful. Also, I have given my under two year old half a dose. This is what my doctor recommended. I order my mebendazole online from an overseas provider.

Also, I have stopped the cleaning madness. It can make you absolutely batty. I decided for my sanity and that of my family to stop my mission of pinworm egg killing. Of course, I did not stop the basics of sheet changing on the day of treatment, vacuuming (not obsessive), and showering everyone daily. I was going mad cleaning every surface and crevice. I realized that there was no way I was going to get them all. I had even bought a nano ultraviolet light scanner to go over every surface with. I was a crazy lady with a wand.

Something else I did and will do again is to put zinc oxide cream (desitin) on the kids' bottoms before bed every night. I think this keeps the worms from laying their eggs. It also helps with the itching.

I found this blog with lots of comments re: pinworms. It is interesting reading.
http://imperfectmommy.com/?p=152#more-152

I just remembered to add this info about taking mebendazole while breastfeeding. After reading this, I felt fine about taking it a few times while nursing. http://66.230.33.248/discus/messages...tml?1127829081

[kayjayjay]

Originally Posted by Ginny-mommy

Also, I have stopped the cleaning madness. It can make you absolutely batty. I decided for my sanity and that of my family to stop my mission of pinworm egg killing. Of course, I did not stop the basics of sheet changing on the day of treatment, vacuuming (not obsessive), and showering everyone daily. I was going mad cleaning every surface and crevice. I realized that there was no way I was going to get them all. I had even bought a nano ultraviolet light scanner to go over every surface with. I was a crazy lady with a wand.

Something else I did and will do again is to put zinc oxide cream (desitin) on the kids' bottoms before bed every night. I think this keeps the worms from laying their eggs. It also helps with the itching.
http://66.230.33.248/discus/messages...tml?1127829081

ITA with both of these. One of the side benefits of dealing with this over and over is you eventually learn to relax and focus your efforts where they're likely to do the most good.

[lioralourie]

if a pregnant mother has pinworms, does she really need to wait till after the birth? If so, should some family members get treated sooner?

Won't baby get them during the birthing process?

Online it says to treat the whole family at the same time...Do you all agree with this? Or is it just necessary to treat the person who is suspected of having the pinworms?

Do you keep kids out of school (no classes, playdates, etc) for that 2-4 week period?