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post #121 of 243
11/26/08 at 9:20pm
One of the kids I babysit has pinworms. I take my 3 kids to his house once a week & he comes to our house anywhere from 1-4 days a week. His mom just told me yesterday that he has pinworms. His sister has them all the time & the other family members have had them as well. Why would one family have them SO often?

So anyway, I hope we don't get them. I put Ds in his high chair yesterday & he said "ow, my butt hurts!" I figured he had a poop (he's going through that phase where he won't tell me he has a poop & never wants me to change it. ) So I went to change his diaper & there was nothing in it. He started digging at his anus. I quickly put his diaper on & washed his hands well (and mine.)
Last night I opened his diaper & checked his bum with a flashlight & didn't see anything.
I've had an intermittant itchy bum, but I had some really spicy tacos the other day & they kinda messed with my digestion. So I had a few extra BMs - what burns going down, burns coming out.... So it could be from that. I've never experienced pinworms & neither have my kids.

Can the itching be very occasional & mild during the day with zero itching at night? Neither Ds nor I itch at night & Ds is never at his diaper trying to scratch himself.

I'll put some Weleda diaper cream on both of us just to be safe. I looked at some parasite cleanses at the wfs today but ALL of them said not to take if nursing. Ds is 2.5 - would it even be safe for my kids to take those cleanses (ages 8.5, 5.5 & 2.5)?

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post #122 of 243
11/26/08 at 9:50pm
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Originally Posted by Metasequoia View Post
One of the kids I babysit has pinworms. I take my 3 kids to his house once a week & he comes to our house anywhere from 1-4 days a week. His mom just told me yesterday that he has pinworms. His sister has them all the time & the other family members have had them as well. Why would one family have them SO often?
That's the question I keep trying to highlight.
post #123 of 243
11/26/08 at 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by firefaery View Post
That's the question I keep trying to highlight.
Fwiw, I'm with you on the overall health connection.

Do you know if I can give ALL of my kids the parasite cleanses from the wfs? If I'm going to do anything, I'd prefer it was herbal.
post #124 of 243
11/26/08 at 10:19pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metasequoia View Post
One of the kids I babysit has pinworms. I take my 3 kids to his house once a week & he comes to our house anywhere from 1-4 days a week. His mom just told me yesterday that he has pinworms. His sister has them all the time & the other family members have had them as well. Why would one family have them SO often?
One family would get them so frequently because they are very easy to pass. Once one person has them, they can be passed easily from person to person even while treating because the eggs can't be seen with the naked eye and can live for weeks on any surface. Also, treatments don't kill the eggs, so if you don't follow up on treatment in two weeks, there's a good chance you'll get them again.
post #125 of 243
11/26/08 at 10:22pm
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Originally Posted by lioralourie View Post
if a pregnant mother has pinworms, does she really need to wait till after the birth? If so, should some family members get treated sooner?

Won't baby get them during the birthing process?

Online it says to treat the whole family at the same time...Do you all agree with this? Or is it just necessary to treat the person who is suspected of having the pinworms?

Do you keep kids out of school (no classes, playdates, etc) for that 2-4 week period?

From what I understand, the meds (kif you're talking about something like PinX) don't get absorbed into your system, or they do but in very small amounts. They pass through your intestines and paralyze the worms and you pass both the worms and the meds in your stool. I suspect they warn bfing and pregnany moms not to take it for the same reasons they tell you not to take anything else - CYA. Maybe check with an OB or Midwife to see what they have to say about it?
post #126 of 243
11/26/08 at 10:27pm
Usually things will say "check with your doctor if you're pregnant or nursing" - the parasite cleanses I saw just said "do not take if pregnant or nursing." I'd be interested in hearing what a doctor would say though.

I'll have to wait until Friday to ask. Wonder how Mercola feels about pinworms...
post #127 of 243
11/27/08 at 12:10am
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Originally Posted by Metasequoia View Post
Fwiw, I'm with you on the overall health connection.

Do you know if I can give ALL of my kids the parasite cleanses from the wfs? If I'm going to do anything, I'd prefer it was herbal.
There's a good product I hear, called PARA GONE The best prices I've found are here

http://www.health-n-energy.net
post #128 of 243
11/27/08 at 12:16am
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Originally Posted by Metasequoia View Post
Usually things will say "check with your doctor if you're pregnant or nursing" - the parasite cleanses I saw just said "do not take if pregnant or nursing." I'd be interested in hearing what a doctor would say though.

I'll have to wait until Friday to ask. Wonder how Mercola feels about pinworms...
Here http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1837.htm it says that

Mebendazole (Vermox) and Albendazole (Albenza) are a Class C drug
"C - Fetal risk revealed in studies in animals but not established or not studied in humans; may use if benefits outweigh risk to fetus"

and
Pyrantel pamoate (Pin-Rid, Pin-X) is a Class D drug.
"D - Fetal risk shown in humans; use only if benefits outweigh risk to fetus"

Now it's interesting that the Class D drug is OTC and the others if I'm not mistaken are Rx only (?!)
post #129 of 243
11/27/08 at 12:17am
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Originally Posted by Metasequoia View Post
One of the kids I babysit has pinworms. I take my 3 kids to his house once a week & he comes to our house......
Can the itching be very occasional & mild during the day with zero itching at night? Neither Ds nor I itch at night & Ds is never at his diaper trying to scratch himself.
http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1837.htm says that most cases are totally asymptomatic...

which is a little bit scary!
post #130 of 243
11/27/08 at 12:57am
Can we start a big list of natural cures and tips/guideline??

I'll start--can others help me review the thread a bit, too, and add on? Feel free to edit this.


NON-RX CURES

1) CINA homeopathic remedy 200C 200 C of this remedy (http://a2zhomeopathy.com can overnight it), put 2 pellets in a 4 oz. of spring water and bang the bottle against your hand (called succussing) 8 or so times and then take 1T of this mother bottle and add to 4 oz. of water in a cup ( that you will use only for remedy) and take one tbls from this cup of the remedy and repeat the following week if need be.

2) PARA GONE The best prices I've found are here http://www.health-n-energy.net

3) DIATOMACEOUS EARTH (food grade) bake in foods, add to smoothies for at least 2 weeks (?) or indefinitely for prevention


TIPS & GUIDELINES
1. Wash hands frequently with soap and warm water.
2.
3) Wash sheets, clothes, towels daily for a time, then frequently afterward for approx. 4 weeks.
4) Bathe daily for 1-2 weeks (animals included, ideally).
5) Vacuum/wet mop daily for a time.
6) Clean toys, piano, keyboards, anything kids may touch frequently and/or mouth.
7) Trim nails.
8) Worms exit anus at night so place petroleum or better yet a non petroleum jelly or diaper creme.
9) DO: eat raw pumpkin seeds, raw garlic, raw carrots, ....

Comfort measures for extreme cases: Topical xylocaine, lavender essential oil, coconut oil, butter, other oil based lubrication for comfort, witch hazel, apple cider vinegar, Epsom salt baths, oatmeal baths, apis cream, calendula ointment, Aloe Vera mixed with olive oil, tea tree oil, cornstarch, baking soda paste, would be my best bets. Perhaps, even some topical benadryl for intense itching.
post #131 of 243
11/27/08 at 1:00am
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Originally Posted by lioralourie View Post
Mebendazole (Vermox) and Albendazole (Albenza) are a Class C drug
"C - Fetal risk revealed in studies in animals but not established or not studied in humans; may use if benefits outweigh risk to fetus"

and
Pyrantel pamoate (Pin-Rid, Pin-X) is a Class D drug.
"D - Fetal risk shown in humans; use only if benefits outweigh risk to fetus"

Now it's interesting that the Class D drug is OTC and the others if I'm not mistaken are Rx only (?!)
however I just read what another poster linked to: http://66.230.33.248/discus/messages...tml?1127829081 Dr. Hale saying it seems ok to take Mebendazole.
post #132 of 243
11/27/08 at 1:03am
oh My Bad. the OP has a fine summary of the info. Sorry for the confusion!
post #133 of 243
11/27/08 at 9:46am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metasequoia View Post
Usually things will say "check with your doctor if you're pregnant or nursing" - the parasite cleanses I saw just said "do not take if pregnant or nursing." I'd be interested in hearing what a doctor would say though.

I'll have to wait until Friday to ask. Wonder how Mercola feels about pinworms...
just about all natural marketed parasitics are contraindicated in breastfeeding. Many are contraindicated for kiddos as well. The exception would be homeopathy.
post #134 of 243
11/27/08 at 11:15am
Quote:
Originally Posted by lioralourie View Post
Here http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1837.htm it says that

Mebendazole (Vermox) and Albendazole (Albenza) are a Class C drug
"C - Fetal risk revealed in studies in animals but not established or not studied in humans; may use if benefits outweigh risk to fetus"

and
Pyrantel pamoate (Pin-Rid, Pin-X) is a Class D drug.
"D - Fetal risk shown in humans; use only if benefits outweigh risk to fetus"

Now it's interesting that the Class D drug is OTC and the others if I'm not mistaken are Rx only (?!)
I was referring to the herbal parasite cleanses at the wfs.
post #135 of 243
11/27/08 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by firefaery View Post
just about all natural marketed parasitics are contraindicated in breastfeeding. Many are contraindicated for kiddos as well. The exception would be homeopathy.
Ugh, so I can't use the herbal stuff?

Quote:
Originally Posted by lioralourie
http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1837.htm says that most cases are totally asymptomatic...

which is a little bit scary!
I'm okay with us having them as long as we're asymptomatic...
post #136 of 243
11/27/08 at 1:31pm
I wouldn't...especially given the other things you are dealing with. But that's just one person's opinion.
post #137 of 243
11/27/08 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by firefaery View Post
I wouldn't...especially given the other things you are dealing with. But that's just one person's opinion.
You mean the adrenal stuff?

So you think I should use homeopathics or nuttin'?
post #138 of 243
11/27/08 at 4:36pm
Yes. You are taking quite a bit as it is. I wouldn't add anything else at this point without consulting your doc. I understand it's all nourishing, but there can still be interactions.

the upside to homeopathic is that they are either going to work or they aren't. When you get the mid range potencies there isn't much of a risk. I wouldn't be concerned about taking a remedy.
post #139 of 243
3/23/09 at 2:36am
thanks for the info!
post #140 of 243
5/25/09 at 3:54am

adults too?

What are adult symptoms?

Do you recommend meds for the child?

Should we do the couch cover, too?

thanks.
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