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post #1 of 11
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dd is a very smart, very strong willed little person (and I know exactly where she gets the will from!). If she hasn't decided to do something, it's not happening! So, my problem is the main lesson book. When I ask her to fill the page all she does is whine, complain that her hand hurts, say she can't do it, etc. Now, I would be more inclined to feel some sympathy for her except she hasn't even tried to do anything before this all starts. Today, I tried drawing a line down the paper to make the page smaller. I was thinking that would make it less intimidating. No such luck. She keeps demanding I help her. In the beginning, I tried helping her color in the background thinking that it would make it more fun like teamwork and she would do it. But, that only ended up with me doing most of her work for her. Obviously, that is not ideal because she will always expect me to do most of the work, right?

Any ideas? Part of my thinks it's not worth pushing the coloring in the page issue. But, another part of me says that it's important to lay the foundation now for later work. I just can't seem to get her to slow down and really take care with anything she is doing. Everything is half a'd unless it is something she has decided to take time with.

Last week, she even b**ched about rolling bread dough and making letters. She kept yelling that she can't roll the dough into snakes and throwing her head down with her hair all over the dough. This is another good example of where I know that she really can because she rolls dough and playdough into snake shapes all the time if I'm not asking her to.
post #2 of 11
My initial thought is don't push it. My ds is now six and we are using OM 1 as our backbone. Last year we used OM K with Enki K. His willingness to do things this year is so very different than last year. We did a few MLB drawings last year but I did not push it. We also didn't do very many retelling (even with assistance) because of the amount of resistance we'd get from him. Personally, I think if you totally backed off when she starts to whine/resist, you both will be happier and I think you might be surprised with the emotional/mental growth that comes along with going from five to six. There's no need to push in Kindergarten because of fear of her not doing anything in future years. Just enjoy the curriculum as much as you can ... incorporate it as much as you can into your regular activities ... see if there is a way to reinforce the letters and numbers without her getting upset (maybe play hopscotch and use letters instead of numbers or maybe make letter collages by cutting pictures from magazines ... or you cut out a big letter that you are working on for that week from construction paper, and then glue something all over it that starts with that letter - the letter D for instance could be decorated in dog stickers), and just enjoy her being five.
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Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders View Post
My initial thought is don't push it. My ds is now six and we are using OM 1 as our backbone. Last year we used OM K with Enki K. His willingness to do things this year is so very different than last year. We did a few MLB drawings last year but I did not push it. We also didn't do very many retelling (even with assistance) because of the amount of resistance we'd get from him. Personally, I think if you totally backed off when she starts to whine/resist, you both will be happier and I think you might be surprised with the emotional/mental growth that comes along with going from five to six. There's no need to push in Kindergarten because of fear of her not doing anything in future years. Just enjoy the curriculum as much as you can ... incorporate it as much as you can into your regular activities ... see if there is a way to reinforce the letters and numbers without her getting upset (maybe play hopscotch and use letters instead of numbers or maybe make letter collages by cutting pictures from magazines ... or you cut out a big letter that you are working on for that week from construction paper, and then glue something all over it that starts with that letter - the letter D for instance could be decorated in dog stickers), and just enjoy her being five.
I completely agree.
We are using OM 1 as a backbone to what we are doing also. Last year we unschooled K with a waldorf influence- DD was a lot like you describe your DD being-she was very resistant- she really wanted to play so I let her. When she wanted to learn, we did that. I found in the beginning if I was pushy about anything she wound up hating it. We kept things more flexible and she was happier.
We didn't do OM Kindergarten, and are doing fine. If you still plan on doing OM next year, I really think you'll be fine too.
You'd probably be surprised how much they change between age 5-7. DD is not as resistant as she used to be and loves working in her main lesson book. If I sense resistance from her though, I back off and come back later.
post #4 of 11
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Thank you I will back off with the lesson book. She is very into the letters, just not me trying to get her to do specific things with them. I will try some of the other things and just let her practice the gazilion letters she wants to put on every paper she finds around the house.
post #5 of 11
Your daughter sounds so much like mine! And we have a very similar situation going on! We did Oakmeadow K for about 7 weeks (started during the summer) and then she suddenly decided that she wouldn't do it anymore. She would get mad at me if I just suggested it. She would claim to be bored and refuse to do any art work, etc. So, for now we are being very unschool-ish instead and that is making for more peace here. I spend time reading to her everyday, she has games to play, art supplies available if she wants, access to "educational" computer games, etc. And now I just don't push anything at all with her. I started to realize that there wouldn't be a point to it. I want her to love learning more than I want her to be obediant.... she is still learning from the reading that I do, from playing with her sibblings and friends, from trips to the grocery store, and errands to the post office and bank. Eventually she may get to a place where she is interested in sitting down and completing lessons, but for now this is much better for our family.
post #6 of 11
Honestly, my opinion is that Oak Meadow K should be for first and second graders. Just my opinion. We started main lesson book (magic book) at age 6.5 and she loves it, can't wait to do the next letter. I think the Waldorf academic readiness signs are very important...just because a child is intellectually ready it doesn't mean that they are emotionally ready. We're not using Oak Meadow (I didn't like it at all), now we use A Little Garden Flower guides and some others.
post #7 of 11
I find myself teaching ds things at times when I had least expected to. We have the Oak Meadow K book and I think it has a lot of really fun ideas that I'll look forward to doing with ds is ready. I find one thing that's key here is just talking a lot and doing things that seem spontaneous. If I try to set anything up he doesn't want to do it, but if I think outloud... "hmmm, I have an idea for a fun special project" ... he's all ears and wants to play along. Definitely don't push it or it definitely won't be fun for anyone. I do think the OM books are full of fun things though.
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Originally Posted by fluttermama View Post
Honestly, my opinion is that Oak Meadow K should be for first and second graders. Just my opinion. We started main lesson book (magic book) at age 6.5 and she loves it, can't wait to do the next letter. I think the Waldorf academic readiness signs are very important...just because a child is intellectually ready it doesn't mean that they are emotionally ready. We're not using Oak Meadow (I didn't like it at all), now we use A Little Garden Flower guides and some others.
I totally get what you are saying. But, dd is someone who would go nuts if I waited that long to start with her. She already knows most of her letters just because she is always aking us what they are and how to spell things. She would be very bored if I started doing something with her in a couple of years that she is interested in now. I just can't think of how it would work to wait.
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I find myself teaching ds things at times when I had least expected to. We have the Oak Meadow K book and I think it has a lot of really fun ideas that I'll look forward to doing with ds is ready. I find one thing that's key here is just talking a lot and doing things that seem spontaneous. If I try to set anything up he doesn't want to do it, but if I think outloud... "hmmm, I have an idea for a fun special project" ... he's all ears and wants to play along. Definitely don't push it or it definitely won't be fun for anyone. I do think the OM books are full of fun things though.
I have deffinitely used the coming up with an idea approach with much luck. The think I like about OM is that it helps me be more focussed with my ideas. I have book shelves full of idea books, but I suffere from getting overwhelmed when there is too much to choose from. OM helps me not get overwhelmed by ideas. Also, it is helping me get a much needed structure to our day and week. I don't mean to sound like things are strict and regimented... they're not at all. I have a basic plan, but the execution totally depends on how long our moring walk is, what type of mood we're in, and whether her brother decides to take his nap
post #10 of 11
We didn't use the main lesson books for "work," but instead as scrapbooks.

I followed my kids moods for the OM K stuff. If they weren't getting anything out of it, then they weren't getting anything out of it.

I took all of those things as suggestions, as nice ideas. If they turned out to not be a nice idea, or not fit someone's mood that day, we didn't do it.

They K year is still made up of very young children.

eta: i also view the k year as entirely skippable---that these ideas are available if you want them, and that's it. So many children are already familiar with all the letters and 1-10, by age 5. You don't need to bore them if they already know it. But there are nice stories and nice crafts, and nature walk ideas.
post #11 of 11
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I agree that it can be boring for children that know their letters already. Since she has been doing so much practicing on her own, I think I will let the book be a mix of happily done work and a scrapbook.

I am trying really hard to be the type of mom/teacher she needs. It is hard for me because I very easily slip into the authoritarian mode that my father raised me with.
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