Reactions after first DTaP-No more babbling

[missbuns]

Hello All,

Hopefully some of you can help us. We are very worried about our baby.

I read quite a lot about vaccinations before baby was born and decided to go at them slowly after talking to two different doctors and all of our friends (some of them doctors too). We do a lot of international travel and decided it would be a good idea.

Baby was born healthy at almost 10 pounds. Baby received her first ever shot on August 30th, at 4 months old. It was a 6 in one combo shot. I figured the less shots the better. She had a small fever for two days and a red bump at the spot for a week but that was it.

Now at four months old she was babbling--I recorded movies of her almost every day. One funny thing she would do is say "hello"--or watch our lips and repeat a baby "hello". She also talked to her toys sometimes non-stop for hours, squealed and rolled back and forth from side to side, almost over.

Around September 15 I started to notice she was quieter. I figured she was getting teeth or something. She would still talk though--babble and smile and shreak especially when she saw other babies or new people. The next week I noticed she was even quieter when we had a guest..she wasn't all too interested. She also started to have 5-6 poopy diapers a day instead of the one or two. We thought perhaps she had a small virus.

Around October 6th I started to get scared. I used to go about my chores and I could hear her playing. No more. Complete silence. For the past few weeks my husband and I have been trying to get her to talk, but it's gone. On an average day she will shreak maybe once or twice, but otherwise she is totally silent besides whining.

She will laugh when we play with her. She is interested in us and the cat. She will smile at us and smile at people when they talk to her. She grabs her feet a lot and is very good with her fingers.

She is no longer trying to roll over at all. She is happy to just kind of hang out on her back.

Please let me know if you know anything that can cause this or have any ideas for us or have heard of similar cases. We brought her to the doctor who suggested an ultrasound and some more tests by a developmental doctor.

We are so scared...

Thanks.

[Devaskyla]

Ds1 did pretty much the same thing after his first shots at 6 months, including the weird poopy diapers. And it took me awhile to notice, it was only really in retrospect that I realized that he'd stopped babbling.

I don't know exactly what caused it. My personal feeling is that ds couldn't deal with the amount of toxins in his little system.

We decided no more vaccines. And then we waited. He was somewhat speech delayed, but he eventually caught up and actually became advanced for his age. He does have some issues, anxiety disorder and impulse control being the main ones, but I have no idea how much what happened to him may have contributed to those. When he was younger he had some of the things generally associated with autism, but he seems to have grown out of it, thankfully. It took years for his bm's to get even remotely 'normal' though.

It probably wouldn't hurt to have testing done, but if it was the vaccines...and given this isn't the first time I've heard a story similar to ours, it's quite possible it was....I don't know that they'll find anything. We never had any testing done on ds, though.

Hopefully someone else might have some ideas for you. We just waited it out and he eventually started babbling again. So sorry you're having to deal with this.

[Spy]

Healthy babies quite often don't babble all the time - they stop and they start, on and off. I would be more concerned with her stopping trying to roll over - that should be happening more, not less. At any case, keep watching and make notes, and if things slow down further or she doesn't resume rolling and/or babbling, I'd try to look into it a bit more.

Needless to say, I'd stop vaccinating. Not that I ever started... This 6 in 1 thing is creepy... :

[missbuns]

Yes, I understand that healthy babies stop babbling sometimes..that's what reassured me at the beginning when she slowed down with babbling (she would be mostly quiet for 2 days then go on a talking burst for a few hours). Right now it is complete silence. I wouldn't know she was even here. And this has been going on for over two weeks. I would feel OK if she was learning new skills, but she has not learned anything new in this time period.

Right now she is on her blanket grabbing her toes in silence. She is not even rolling on her sides anymore or reaching for toys very often.

Another thing--she sleeps in a cradle right next to me at night. At 4 months we were discussing bringing her big crib in. She was rolling almost over in the cradle, using the sides to pull herself towards me. Every morning waking up with all kinds of baby sounds. A month and a half later and she is still in the cradle. She no longer tries to move much in there and it seems safe again. When she wakes up it is in silence...she just plays by herself. I always wake up at the same time and she gives me a big smile (thank god for that).

When I brought her to the doctor (yesterday) she even mentioned how she needs her next set of 6 month shots. I didn't say anything at the time (did NOT want to get into that--I could tell the doctor was "testing" me to see if I thought it was vaccination related. I played dumb.). There is of course no way my baby will get another shot until we know what is going on with her (and even then I'm very much doubting it). I just find it VERY interesting a doctor could recommend an ultrasound and a referral to a developmental doctor and remind me of her shots in the same breath.

[rlneub]

Find a good DAN! doctor. (Do some research, unforunately not all DAN! docs are equal)

[missbuns]

Do you really think she could become autistic after one shot? Do any of you have any links to similar stories? What else could be wrong with her?

Today we had sleepiness, very little eye contact, one laugh and no babbling, shreaks or squeals. No trying to roll. In eight hours.

[spero]

I'm so sorry that happened, mama.

My son, who is on the autism spectrum (and vaxed up to age 5), also had speech delay and a host of social/interaction issues. We did discover that part of the reason for his speech delay was a chronic problem with middle ear fluid build up, which was causing about a 30% hearing loss - BUT I knew even then that he WAS hearing me b/c he was responding even when I was out of his sight.

Eventually, he did get his speech skills and caught up (without intervention) with no problem before he started school.

PLEASE be sure to report this to VAERS!!!!!!!

[spero]

Originally Posted by missbuns

Do you really think she could become autistic after one shot?

I do, yes.

[Gitti]

Six viruses injected into a very new human being. I don't think that would ever happen in nature. No wonder she is taking her time getting over it. In my opinion she needs time.

This is just my opinion, but I would buy a baby monitor and use it until you see that she is improving again and getting back to where she was before getting the vaccines.



Your child does not have the same symptoms that my grandson exhibited but I think they are also very worrisome.

It took my grandson 5 years to grow out of autism symptoms after being vaccinated. He is a normal 10 yo child now. Nothing unusual. Healthy, bright and super popular.


We found doctors will only say they don't know what the cause is, but it is not the vaccine. What reasoning is that? It made us lose faith in them all.


I hope she recovers completely.

[Ophelia]

I would also check into a DAN doctor. It wouldn't hurt.

[nataliachick7]

omg.....6 viruses in one shot?? that is a complete immune system overload.....poor baby, i will pray for her....:

[missbuns]

I am her baby monitor. She sleeps right next to me and never leaves me all day.

I was actually so scared after her first shots I set the alarm on my cell phone under my pillow for every hour for about a week. I wanted to check her temp and everything. She seemed like she made it through OK.

And I'm not in the US and can't seem to find a list of DAN doctors.

And I have to say I feel like a complete idiot. For some reason I assumed one shot would be better than 6 different ones.

[spero]

Originally Posted by missbuns

And I have to say I feel like a complete idiot. For some reason I assumed one shot would be better than 6 different ones.

Don't do that to yourself. Many of us have made similar mistakes, before we knew better. What's done is done and now you need to move forward and be proactive.

[Deborah]

What was in the 6 in 1 shot? That would be a good place to start with trying to figure out what happened and if something is wrong.

What country are you in? UK?

[alegna]

Autistic after "one" shot? Perhaps. Having a serious reaction that results in damage? Quite possible.



-Angela

[Sheal]

Originally Posted by Ophelia

I would also check into a DAN doctor. It wouldn't hurt.

May I ask a stupid question? (ok two) What exactly is a DAN doctor?

Originally Posted by nataliachick7

omg.....6 viruses in one shot?? that is a complete immune system overload.....poor baby, i will pray for her....:

My jaw hit the desk when I read six in one shot. My thoughts exactly, system overload.

OP: p\u the book What every parent should know about childhood immunizations. Go to www.vran.org or VaccineTruth.com and start reading. Report the reaction to VAERS immediately, don't wait for the doctor to do it - do it yourself (vran has a link for VAERS reporting).

I will keep your little one in mind and heart and set a candle for her. May she heal quickly mama. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for both of you hun.

[jeliphish]

Sometimes baby's work really hard at mastering something such as sounds or a word. And once they feel that it is mastered, they move on and often don't repeat that word for months. DD said "Kitty" non-stop for about 1 month everytime she saw our cat and then suddenly stopped. About 2-3 weeks later she started saying "hi" to everyone all the time, and now she won't say it. Now she is saying "this" all the time and I imagine it will stop as well. While she is working on other sounds and word skills - she very rarely says the things that she used to say with such frequency. Like another poster added, if it is gross motor skills that she is no longer doing, I would be more worried because they use those to build on others. There are times in the first year that they get quiet, sleep more, and sometimes seem like another baby- just think of all the physical and developmental growing that is going on. Some days they take in more and just observe rather than interacting, at least that is the way DD has done.
I may get flamed for saying this (because I haven't researched as much as some mom's on here) but if a vaccination does cause a severe reaction, in most circumstances I have come across, the baby will have a severe reaction following the shot, such as a high fever, significant illness- rather than a small fever and a bump.

[missbuns]

Infanrix hexa is the vaccine name.

[alegna]

Originally Posted by KylieLove06

I may get flamed for saying this (because I haven't researched as much as some mom's on here) but if a vaccination does cause a severe reaction, in most circumstances I have come across, the baby will have a severe reaction following the shot, such as a high fever, significant illness- rather than a small fever and a bump.

Nope. Not necessarily the case at all. This is actually a very common scenario.

-Angela

[Ophelia]

[QUOTE=Sheal;9448858]May I ask a stupid question? (ok two) What exactly is a DAN doctor?QUOTE]


Here is a good summary: http://autism.about.com/od/alternati...s/f/dandoc.htm

This website has a practitioner list both inside and outside the U.S.:
http://www.autismwebsite.com/ARI/dan/dan.htm