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Anti-evangalists: would this offend you?

post #1 of 213
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A tract handed out (with candy) on Halloween explaining why some Christains don't wish to participate, in the context of "we believe" not "you need to believe"? Would this offend you, if your child received it?


This is the text:

Fall is a time when the plants and warm days go to sleep. Over the years it has reminded people to think about death, some respond by being afraid, others by accepting it as part of nature. Many cultures take this time to honor loved ones who have died before. Halloween makes death into something fun so people feel better about it and have a good time even though they are a little scared. Sometimes people take it as a time to play pranks or use magic.

Christians often stay away from Halloween celebrations, some act like it is a normal day and others have Church parties. Part of the reason we avoid it is that we feel pranks or witchcraft would be bad, and we love God too much to want to sin. But the big reason is that we do not need to think about death. The Bible says “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16) That means that we believe we are more alive now than ever before, and that we won’t really die when our bodies pass away, but get new bodies in heaven. If that’s true, why would we fear? And why would we need a party to make us feel better? Today and every day we joyfully celebrate life, not death. And we are not afraid.
post #2 of 213
I would be offended. Not because of the wording, but because I don't appreciate someone handing me a sheet of their beliefs, unless I ask for them.
post #3 of 213
I wouldn't be offended, just annoyed because it's not even true. Most Christians 'celebrate' Halloween. I've never even met Christians IRL who are opposed to any Halloween fun.

FTR, I'm Christian.
post #4 of 213
It would irritate me because of the subtlities in wording. It's an attempt to jab at those who don't agree with them (the witchcraft bit) while trying to claim it's for another reason (not fearing death and celebrating life).
post #5 of 213
i wouldn't be offended. i think it's kind of odd to be offended by someone handing you something of their choice when you have gone to THEIR door requesting something from them. i we want to go to people's homes we need to be open with what they're going to give us, ykwim?
post #6 of 213
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Originally Posted by OtherMother'n'Madre View Post
It would irritate me because of the subtlities in wording. It's an attempt to jab at those who don't agree with them (the witchcraft bit) while trying to claim it's for another reason (not fearing death and celebrating life).
Exactly. I'm not offended if someone just wants to hand me something that explains what they believe. But any suggestion that what I believe is wrong, bad, etc...? That's offensive to me.
post #7 of 213
I would be offended, not horribly so, I wouldn't egg your house or anything, ! If you don't want to celebrate Halloween, fine...just turn out your porch light, but please don't preach to my child.
post #8 of 213
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Originally Posted by magstphil View Post
i wouldn't be offended. i think it's kind of odd to be offended by someone handing you something of their choice when you have gone to THEIR door requesting something from them. i we want to go to people's homes we need to be open with what they're going to give us, ykwim?
But you're not just radomly knocking on doors. People who choose to participate in Halloween usually indicate their willingness by turning on a porch light or something. I don't think religious tracts are at all to be expected under those circumstances. Would it be ok if I decided to hand out condoms and a safe sex brochure to your kids?
post #9 of 213
I would be offended. You're handing something to my *kid* If you don't want to do halloween, turn off your porch light and don't answer the door. *That* won't bother me.

-Angela
post #10 of 213
Thread Starter 
It actually is true where I live, everyone I know who is Christian either has a Trunk or Treat at thier church or turns off the lights and hides. It's the midwest.
post #11 of 213
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Originally Posted by andreac View Post
If you don't want to celebrate Halloween, fine...just turn out your porch light, but please don't preach to my child.
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
I would be offended. You're handing something to my *kid* If you don't want to do halloween, turn off your porch light and don't answer the door. *That* won't bother me.
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Why would you be participating in Halloween to explain why some Christians DON'T participate in Halloween? Obviously, if you're giving out candy, you're not one of those Christians who don't participate in Halloween - you're participating BY answering the door to Trick-or-Treaters. So, if you're therefore NOT opposed to celebrating Halloween, why are you speaking up for those who are? Can't they speak up for themselves, if they so choose? And wouldn't what they have to say, and how they have to say it, be more accurate for them than anything you come up with?
I'm truly confused by the logic of participating in Halloween in order to give reasons not to participate in Halloween. :
post #12 of 213
As a Christian who celebrates Halloween I wouldn't be offended, but I also wouldn't read it. It would be tossed the second I realized what it was. What is the point of giving these out?
post #13 of 213
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Originally Posted by andreac View Post
But you're not just radomly knocking on doors. People who choose to participate in Halloween usually indicate their willingness by turning on a porch light or something. I don't think religious tracts are at all to be expected under those circumstances. Would it be ok if I decided to hand out condoms and a safe sex brochure to your kids?
it's the risk i take for going to your door. which is why i generally don't go trick or treating with my kids unless i know the neighborhood and the doors i'm going to.

i'm sorry i just don't think choosing to be offended by someone participating in trick or treating THEIR way at THEIR door is productive. their fully in their right to do it. it's like me being offended that someone gave my daughter a bag of peanuts when we knocked on their door. i could choose to get upset because she's allergic to peanuts or i can understand that people have the right to hand out what they want from THEIR door, just as i do, and i can monitor what she is receiving and act accordingly if i'd rather her not have it.
post #14 of 213
ITA with lotusdebi and the two people she quoted. The subtle language in those things is really upsetting to me.

We are Catholic and on Halloween, we're not "celebrating death" or practicing witchcraft. My son is dressing like a knight, my daughters like a pony and a puppy, and they're getting free candy. That evening we'll go through the candy, pick through it and donate the excess to a DV shelter or kids in the hospital. The next day, on All Saints Day, we go to Mass and pray for all the saints in Heaven. Not exactly black magic, KWIM?
post #15 of 213
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Originally Posted by magstphil View Post
it's the risk i take for going to your door. which is why i generally don't go trick or treating with my kids unless i know the neighborhood and the doors i'm going to.

i'm sorry i just don't think choosing to be offended by someone participating in trick or treating THEIR way at THEIR door is productive. their fully in their right to do it. it's like me being offended that someone gave my daughter a bag of peanuts when we knocked on their door. i could choose to get upset because she's allergic to peanuts or i can understand that people have the right to hand out what they want from THEIR door, just as i do, and i can monitor what she is receiving and act accordingly if i'd rather her not have it.
(we crossposted)

I understand your reasoning completely, but to me, the tract itself is what is offensive. I don't care if dentists choose to pass out toothbrushes instead of candy, or if a church chooses to pass out a TACTFUL pamphlet instead of candy, but they are giving my children what I consider to be extremely hateful and offensive literature. And I'm not the only one - almost every person I know is offended by them; they're very anti-Catholic and anti-athiest...and, well, anti-everyone-but-the-people-who-wrote-them.
post #16 of 213
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
I would be offended. You're handing something to my *kid* If you don't want to do halloween, turn off your porch light and don't answer the door. *That* won't bother me.

-Angela
Exactly.

Honestly if someone gave that to my kid, I would go back to thier house & rip them a new one. But we only trick or treat at friends & families houses so we fortunately don't get that kind of garbage.
post #17 of 213
I can't say that it would deeply offend me, but I don't think it's terribly accurate and I think it's inappropriate. People aren't taking their kids trick or treating to be preached at. IMO, it's manipulative to lure kids in with candy and then hand them a tract on why Halloween is "bad" and "sinful". If you don't want to participate, then don't.
post #18 of 213
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Originally Posted by andreac View Post
But you're not just radomly knocking on doors. People who choose to participate in Halloween usually indicate their willingness by turning on a porch light or something. I don't think religious tracts are at all to be expected under those circumstances. Would it be ok if I decided to hand out condoms and a safe sex brochure to your kids?
Great way of putting it!
post #19 of 213
Most Christians around here participate in Halloween.

It's unnecessary, imo. If you don't want to participate, just don't hand out anything, shut your porch light off and be done with it. Making children and parents defensive on Halloween is just petty.

And, I totally wouldn't read it at all. It would get chucked.
post #20 of 213
If I wanted my Son to be given religious tracts for halloween we would go to the local christian church.
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