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post #1 of 47
10/16/07 at 6:51pm
Thread Starter 
TELL me, please, what this could POSSIBLY have to do with homeschooling??? ::


H.R. 3685—Employment Non-Discrimination Act

Action Requested:
We urge you to call your U.S. Representative and urge him or her to oppose H.R. 3685, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2007. It is not necessary to identify yourself as a homeschooler. Your message can be as simple as, “Please oppose H.R. 3685, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2007. Congress should not force private employers to hire individuals whose sexual orientation violates their beliefs.”

Thank you for standing for liberty.

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post #2 of 47
10/16/07 at 6:53pm
post #3 of 47
10/16/07 at 7:07pm
Just another, in a long list, of reasons I will never join this organization. :
post #4 of 47
10/16/07 at 7:12pm
As far as I can tell, the only thing it has to do with homeschooling (or schooling in general) is that the bigots would not be allowed to act on their bigotry when hiring people. Christian schools/co-ops/groups would not be able to forbid hiring "the gays" to teach their kids. Because, ya know, we have to protect our kids from catching "the gay".

As a homeschooler who is Christian and lives in the midwest, I get a lot of people assuming that part of the reason I homeschool is to protect my kids from "wrong influences". Well, they are right, but their definition of "wrong" is drastically different than my definition.
post #5 of 47
10/16/07 at 7:55pm
I read it as HSLDA would get sued for not hiring homosexuals or perceived homosexuals. They must discriminate pretty freely now.
post #6 of 47
10/16/07 at 8:55pm
blech.
post #7 of 47
10/16/07 at 11:15pm
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post #8 of 47
10/17/07 at 12:33am
Typical for them unfortunately. A couple/few years ago they were hot on the "protect marriage" thing (aka keep homosexual marriages banned). I remember getting the fwds like the one in the OP from an acquaintance.
post #9 of 47
10/17/07 at 9:07am
ewww! I completely misread this at first and thought they were supporting the bill. Ugh. That makes me sick.
post #10 of 47
10/17/07 at 10:08am
I got this in my inbox yesterday from my local group. I shuddered, then made suret o spread the word at work to call our rep. and vote YES!

This sort of blatant discrimination irks me. Even from a 'christian' point of view, what happened to love the sinner/hate the sin? (I don't believe it's a sin, but still). This takes something that doesn't even matter in the workplace and uses it to hate others.
post #11 of 47
10/17/07 at 12:09pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by obiandelismom View Post

Thank you for standing for liberty.
This is the part that gets me. :
post #12 of 47
10/17/07 at 12:43pm
That's terrible.
post #13 of 47
10/17/07 at 2:25pm

H.R. 3685, the Employment Non-Discrimination Act of 2007 (ENDA),

I think you may be missing the point of this law.


Please consider the ramifications on business owners regarding the 'Employment Non Discrimination Act'
Businesses succeed with the help of “like” minded people with whom an owner or manager can work with. This legislation would prohibit owners/managers to choose people they believe will produce a positive outcome for their business. This is the type of law that makes people think twice about opening a business. When will the government stop interfering with “the peoples” rights? A person or company that put their money, lively hood and trust into its employees should have the right to choose those employees! I hope you will consider how this law will open the flood gates of “disgruntled” employees who will use it to claim discrimination and sue leaving a path of desolate businesses and business owners (people who would have benefited the economy). I am not a business owner, but if I were I would want the right to choose my employees.
Where are my freedoms in America? What freedoms are we leaving our children?
post #14 of 47
10/17/07 at 2:33pm
How in the world would someone's sexual preference affect the workplace unless they are working in a whore house?
post #15 of 47
10/17/07 at 2:38pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charis View Post
I think you may be missing the point of this law.


Please consider the ramifications on business owners regarding the 'Employment Non Discrimination Act'
Businesses succeed with the help of “like” minded people with whom an owner or manager can work with. This legislation would prohibit owners/managers to choose people they believe will produce a positive outcome for their business. This is the type of law that makes people think twice about opening a business. When will the government stop interfering with “the peoples” rights? A person or company that put their money, lively hood and trust into its employees should have the right to choose those employees! I hope you will consider how this law will open the flood gates of “disgruntled” employees who will use it to claim discrimination and sue leaving a path of desolate businesses and business owners (people who would have benefited the economy). I am not a business owner, but if I were I would want the right to choose my employees.
Where are my freedoms in America? What freedoms are we leaving our children?
In Canada I am not able to discriminate against anyone for any reason, which includes gender, race, sexual preference, etc. Yet we still have thriving businesses, with people that manage to work together without feeling a need to discuss what they do in their bedrooms in order for them to get along. What does that do for your theory?

As for freedom... perhaps you're leaving your children with the freedom to be free from discrimination. Quite a worthy goal, don't you think?
post #16 of 47
10/17/07 at 2:50pm

This isn’t about “sexual” orientation. It’s about freedom of choice.

If you put out fifty-thousand dollars of your own money, you don’t want the right to choose the people who work for you, run your business, make decisions for you?
You don’t want the right of choice?
This isn’t about “sexual” orientation.
It’s about the right to choose, which incrementally is being taken away from Americans.
I home school - I want that choice.
I vote - I want that choice.
I want to keep the rights I have in place.
I don’t need the government to tell me who I can hire or can’t hire.
I know my moral responsibilities and I don’t need the government to legislate them for me!
post #17 of 47
10/17/07 at 3:12pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charis View Post
If you put out fifty-thousand dollars of your own money, you don’t want the right to choose the people who work for you, run your business, make decisions for you?
You don’t want the right of choice?
This isn’t about “sexual” orientation.
It’s about the right to choose, which incrementally is being taken away from Americans.
I home school - I want that choice.
I vote - I want that choice.
I want to keep the rights I have in place.
I don’t need the government to tell me who I can hire or can’t hire.
I know my moral responsibilities and I don’t need the government to legislate them for me!
I think you're missing the point, Charis. When you hire people for a job, you hire the ones that can do the best job for you. What color, what sex, what religion, what sexual orientation they are DOES NOT MATTER if they can do the job to the specifications you desire.

Personally, I think it's sad that we have to have the government tell us that discrimination and bigotry is bad. I mean, wow. If living in the U.S. hasn't taught us that everyone is different, what would?

You say you want to keep your rights. Well, your rights end where mine begin. Remember that.
post #18 of 47
10/17/07 at 3:23pm
Thread Starter 
The law is not saying you MUST hire gays and lesbians. The law is saying you MUST NOT fire them based only on their sexual orientation. Also, sexual orientation MUST NOT be a factor in whether or not they are hired in the first place.
post #19 of 47
10/17/07 at 3:30pm
I can see this getting ugly...
post #20 of 47
10/17/07 at 3:31pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charis View Post
If you put out fifty-thousand dollars of your own money, you don’t want the right to choose the people who work for you, run your business, make decisions for you?
You don’t want the right of choice?
This isn’t about “sexual” orientation.
It’s about the right to choose, which incrementally is being taken away from Americans.
I home school - I want that choice.
I vote - I want that choice.
I want to keep the rights I have in place.
I don’t need the government to tell me who I can hire or can’t hire.
I know my moral responsibilities and I don’t need the government to legislate them for me!
The only right being protected here by opposing this is the right to legal discrimination. Which becomes an issue for those being discriminated against. What about their rights?

Honestly, I think you have this backwards. If you want to protect your rights, you should fight for your right not to be discrimated against for whatever reason. This is no different than someone saying they have a legal right to not hire/fire someone because she's a woman, or a Christian, or has blonde hair. Would any of that make sense to you?