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My child's vax reaction: Well Baby visit 4 to 6 years  

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per CDC National Immunization Program Recommended Childhood Immunization Schedule

DTap (dose 5 of 5)

Polio IPV (dose 4 of 4)

MMR (dose 2 of 2)

Varicella (dose 2 of 2)

if your child had a reaction after this well baby visit will you please post your reaction here.
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in case anyone needs to see a general thread on reactions...

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...light=reaction
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are vax reactions hereditary discussion

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ight=reactions
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My youngest son Gabe was diagnosed with autism at 3 1/2 yoa and he had one prior reaction to the DpT vax at 2 months old.Gabe had very high functioning autism, just a very mild speech delay and some quirky behaviors but most people couldn't even tell he had autism.

When he was 4 yoa the dr wanted to try and get him up to date on his DpT because we had so many cases of pertussis around. He reacted to the second dose as well, and developed a huge, tennis ball sized ring of welts around the injection site. Even his very conservative, vax friendly dr admitted this was a true reaction and could not receive this vax ever again.

When Gabe was 4 1/2 yoa we approached his dr about receiving a non-thimerosol flu shot because Gabe was in daycare and prone to getting sick and asthmatic. She assured us that the study between mercury and autism was bogus, not true, thimerosol was fine and in any event Gabe wouldn't be allowed to have the thimersol free vax because it was reserved for kids who are medically fragile. Unfortunately we believed her and we had him get the flu shot in early november of 2005.

Within two weeks of the shot, Gabe started regressing badly. He started speaking with a strange, deep, stressed out sounding voice, and his use of language decreased every day as each day went by. He became aggressive towards his peers and teachers, he regressed with toilet training and had to go completely back into pullups. He refused to eat with utensils and would only eat foods he could shove into his mouth with his hands. He lost all desire to socialize with people other than his father or myself. Noises made him cringe, tastes and smells made him gag. He became very sensory defensive. He often would go lay down on his bed and start at the ceiling with a look of really intense pain on his face, almost like he was suffering from a migraine or something. On Feb 5, 2006, he woke up and made no speech or noise at all and this continued for three months. He didn't even make any noise when he cried, he was completely, totally mute. We had contacted his dr ( ped nuerologist) when things started going downhill but he refused to see us until I called and told him he wasn't speaking anymore. He refused to believe it was the vax and suspected a degenrative brain disorder or a metabolic issue. he ordered an EEG and MRI, both of which came back normal. At this point he referred us to a pediatric integrative specialist because we were so adamant about the vax damage. This doctor advised us to start Gabe on the GF/CF diet right away and then we added in supplements shortly after. Within about 1 1/2 mos after starting the diet, Gabe regained his language almost overnight. He slowly started regaining other skills and we are still working on getting back to where he was at before the flu shot. He is also suffering badly at this point from SPD (sensory processing disorder). Although this can be a biproduct if autism, this was not present before the vax injury.

What do I think happened? I think that between the DPT and the flu shot, the camels back was finally broken, that it was too many shots and one shot too many. I think that by taking him off of a standard diet and putting him on one that contained way more whole living foods combined with supplements, it gave his body a chance to heal most of the damage. I say most because we are still dealing with issues that we had never had to deal with before. His neurologist ( who we have since fired) is still baffled. He flat out refuses to admit Gabe was vax injured. The PIS is pretty open to the possibility that the vaxs did this to him, however, we have no way to prove this other than anecdotal evidence and common sense. He was doing very well before the vaxes, and crashed and burned after them. So this, in a nutshell, is how my son was vax damaged and how I came to make the choice that my kids will not be vaxed anymore.

Michelle
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michelle,

HUGS..and thank you for taking to the time to post Gabe's story.
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My oldest ds, now 8.5, is my only fully vaccinated child (I even did the 5 year boosters, pregnant, depressed and under pressure as I was, which I now totally regret). I picked this particular thread because I think when ds was about 4 I could no longer ignore the feeling (or the obvious if you will) that my child was "different" in ways I couldn't put my finger down on.

I'll try to make this short, though I have to say honestly that I have no official dx for my son, nor do I have solid proof or even a solid memory about what vax may have triggered what, and so on. Ds, Kieran, also may have been inflicted by low levels of oxygen during and after birth (about 36 hours of poor blood ox levels), routine use of abx in the NICU (no sign of infection whatsoever) before he even got to have any breastmilk, and was in such rough shape from pulmonary hypotension and collapsed lung that he spent several days just clinging to life before starting to recover. Kieran's sensory issues could be related to his NICU stay, however, he did not have these issues as a baby. Aside and despite the rough start, he was a happy, healthy, easygoing baby who was breastfed (until 16 mos), at least. Despite his birth, for the first year, he was quite healthy, and hit all the milestones with no problem.

When he was a toddler, it was like a storm hit the house, but we had nothing to compare it to, and just thought this was normal toddler stuff. What parent won't say their kids will start a tantrum at the drop of a hat? Not many IME lol. I grew quite protective over him when critisized for his lack of speech for his age, saying, his father didn't say a word until he was 3, some kids develop later than others, I'm not going to pressure him and make it worse. I went with my gut, and in the end, don't regret not seeking out speech therapy. : I remember we just stopped listening to music much of the time, because it seemed to cause Kieran actual physical pain. The musician part of me was sad and hurt and confused, simply wanting to pass on the love for music, and the mama part of me was just baffled. I'd never seen anyone behave like that before over not-loud music. Now, it doesn't seem to bother him.

By the time he was four, only Dh and I could understand his speech for the most part. And interacting with him was hard sometimes, like getting his attention (his hearing is fine btw) , especially when trying to explain something simple to him and he would not get it, it would not sink in. For example, we went through this phase where he was constantly trying to escape the house in the wee hours of the morning to run down the block to the local milk factory b/c there was a store front there w/ stuffed animals and ice cream available. He managed to get all the way there a handful of times (barefoot and in jammies of course) and it was so bad the police were involved and ready to call CPS. (yes we got the locks for the doors and everything). Me, Dh and the nicer police officers constantly tried to deliver the same simple message "Do not leave the house without mommy or daddy". It never sunk in the whole time we lived there, and I still get shudders thinking about the anxiety that put us through until he finally seemed to stop trying to take off.

Fast forward to today, he speaks just fine (starting at about 5), although I believe he has an auditory processing disorder (why he doesn't hear me sometimes, and I also believe I have the same thing) which explains the "I can hear but I can't" thing. I've basically just learned to work around it, keeping in mind that I will not treat him the way I was treated for it (called a space case, always getting yelled at for not "hearing", I did not grow up in a great home anyways).

He's very quirky, very sensitive (high empathy, though his going off the deep end over little things really wears on me sometimes), and extremely smart. I highly suspect he is somewhere on the AS, but I'm not actively seeking a dx at this time, because honestly, we've been doing pretty well without it, especially now that he is older and over the speech delay. I'm also just tired of dealing with the medical field in general as it usually brings us nothing but emotional and physical distress and invasion/harm. If there comes a time I feel a dx would actually help, I'm always open to seeking it out if I have to cross that bridge. I've spent the past few years just learning to accept that Kieran is Kieran.
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We did not do the 4 yr vaxes but I wanted to respond to this post...

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I have to say honestly that I have no official dx for my son, nor do I have solid proof or even a solid memory about what vax may have triggered what, and so on. Ds, Kieran, also may have been inflicted by low levels of oxygen during and after birth

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I believe he has an auditory processing disorder (why he doesn't hear me sometimes, and I also believe I have the same thing) which explains the "I can hear but I can't" thing. I've basically just learned to work around it, keeping in mind that I will not treat him the way I was treated for it (called a space case, always getting yelled at for not "hearing", I did not grow up in a great home anyways).

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He's very quirky, very sensitive (high empathy, though his going off the deep end over little things really wears on me sometimes), and extremely smart. I highly suspect he is somewhere on the AS, but I'm not actively seeking a dx at this time, because honestly, we've been doing pretty well without it, especially now that he is older and over the speech delay. I'm also just tired of dealing with the medical field in general as it usually brings us nothing but emotional and physical distress and invasion/harm. If there comes a time I feel a dx would actually help, I'm always open to seeking it out if I have to cross that bridge. I've spent the past few years just learning to accept that Kieran is Kieran.
It is like you wrote these parts of your post about my son. He had poor eye contact from birth. No obvious speech delay although his conversational skills took a while to take off (he could label everything by 18 months but didn't talk to us much for a long time). Still no dx but super quirky, sensitive, and smart to the point of being gifted I am positive. He can read a lot of words (self-motivated--I didn't push him to do this) but his comprehension is poor even though I am a former 1st grade teacher and have worked with him on this and I understand that comprehension is more important than reading individual words. And yes, I am learning to accept that he is who he is.

With the auditory processing thing, I say, "E, I'm going to ask you a question now. Are you ready?" And then he does great.
post #10 of 25
My child had a serious vaccine reaction at age four. Looking back now, I can see that there were signs after her earlier, selective, delayed-schedule vaccines, but at the time I thought she was having "normal" reactions. (There are no normal reactions. Reactions mean that the toxins are HURTING your child.) At age four, suddenly it was all a disaster, and absolutely terrifying for me. Here's what I wrote at the time:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...light=RachelGS
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RachelGS, Jessemom & wytchywomen

Thank you so much for posting. At first I had totally forgotten to even put up a link for older kids because there is some default mechanism in us parents..that older kids can talk, older kids have their own thing going on...and if they have reactions we might miss them because we could blame their personality..or they are just having an off day... the bias on reactions is in the favor of babies over older kids...and it is unfair, isn't it?

Thank you for helping me to remember!!!!
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Looking back on the whole experience, it's so incredibly clear that it was a vax reaction, and a scary one. I was deeply frightened at the time and looking for all the possible explanations, but really what it came down to was my child having an immediate sea change in her behavior and emotional experience (not to mention appetite and ability to sleep) that began the hour she was vax'd and began resolving the day we started detoxing her.

And this was a child that had only had "normal" reactions until then. Somehow I thought we were safe, since we'd been safe until that point.
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Looking back on the whole experience, it's so incredibly clear that it was a vax reaction, and a scary one. I was deeply frightened at the time and looking for all the possible explanations, but really what it came down to was my child having an immediate sea change in her behavior and emotional experience (not to mention appetite and ability to sleep) that began the hour she was vax'd and began resolving the day we started detoxing her.

And this was a child that had only had "normal" reactions until then. Somehow I thought we were safe, since we'd been safe until that point.

this is the thing that I think a lot about especially when I read about those who delay, I sometimes think it might be a false hope that it is better when they are older. Or maybe it is better. I honestly don't know. Not passing judgement on those who wait...just I do wonder about the reactions.
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I think it is like anything having to do with medical drugs. There is a range of possibilities. Reactions are probably less common in older children, but if it happens to your child it is still 100% (as the NVIC says). So less common doesn't equal never and doesn't equal perfectly safe.

The same thing with illness. There is a range of possibilities and you can never know for sure that your child will cope just fine with a particular illness, although you can improve the odds by good diet, adequate rest and proper care when sick. Just as you can probably improve the odds with vaccines by never giving when ill, dosing with vitamins ahead of time and avoiding antipyretic drugs afterwards.

THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES. There is no path anyone can choose through life that will make it perfectly sure that nothing awful will happen to them or anyone they love. You just do the best you can, study the info, think carefully...and then make the leap. And hope.
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I think the thing to really take note of from our story is that there WERE warning signs, and we just didn't know how to read them. She always had fever and a few days of fussiness after vaccines. She always had a red, warm spot at the injection site. I wrote those off as normal or to be expected. What they were, though, was information for me that her body wasn't tolerating the toxins well. She was reacting to them in small ways and then eventually reacted in a very big way. I'm lucky she wasn't hurt worse, and I'm so sad that I didn't take those messages from her body seriously before they got severe.
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I think the thing to really take note of from our story is that there WERE warning signs, and we just didn't know how to read them. She always had fever and a few days of fussiness after vaccines. She always had a red, warm spot at the injection site. I wrote those off as normal or to be expected. What they were, though, was information for me that her body wasn't tolerating the toxins well. She was reacting to them in small ways and then eventually reacted in a very big way. I'm lucky she wasn't hurt worse, and I'm so sad that I didn't take those messages from her body seriously before they got severe.
Good point. And one reason that all of the doctors saying "normal reaction" all the time is a bad thing. It encourages parents to ignore their own gut feelings about potential problems. Which is another bad thing.
post #17 of 25
Exactly. I used to cry when she got vaccines. Turns out there was a reason for that. :
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I think the thing to really take note of from our story is that there WERE warning signs, and we just didn't know how to read them. .
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Same with us.
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