Religious exemption for vaccines in headlines today

[pixiesmommy]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071018/...ccine_skeptics

Thought ya'll might like to read this. I found it pretty interesting, but of course, it is mostly biased to actually HAVE the vaccines rather than to lie.

[sorteep]

I have never had any problems with the philosophical/ religious exemption for either of my boys (both in public school) no probs with Evan in early intervention or with his state insurance due to his autism (which has actually lapsed and he no longer qualifies YAYYAYAYA).. there is a lot of misinformation out there on teh law issues..

I am curious to see if our current ped for Evan will refuse to treat this LO due to the vax issue (it , evidently, is a written office policy to not accept non vax kids anymore, Evan can stay due to the "gramdfather" clause) I am not sure how they get around it as a religious discrimination suit.. hhope they don't have to find out!! we will see
interesting link.. I am pretty sure the "eight deaths" due to the PA 1991 measles outbreak is NOT accurate.. I think it was in the amish community if I recall correctly...

[dcgrl]

Originally Posted by sorteep

interesting link.. I am pretty sure the "eight deaths" due to the PA 1991 measles outbreak is NOT accurate.. I think it was in the amish community if I recall correctly...

I was thinking this would be the MOVE community...it specifies Philadelphia...

[GinaRae]

I don't know how the exemption thing would work for me. I plan to delay and selectively not do some vaccines, but then if I am giving some, doesn't that kill my chances for claiming exemption?

[De-lovely]

Wow....that indeed is quite the biased article....I will be using my first religious exemption come January. I feel like it IS closely in line with my spiritual beliefs however I also feel like they back you in a corner and give you no choices.

[sorteep]

Originally Posted by dcgrl

I was thinking this would be the MOVE community...it specifies Philadelphia...

hmmmm, not sure there, the "incendiary device" was dropped on them in 1985.. wayyy B4 1991, and they more or less disbanded or were not all living communally and were a VERY small group after that so I am not sure.. I remmeber both events and don't *think* they are connected..I'll have to look it up.....

[sorteep]

Originally Posted by GinaRae

I don't know how the exemption thing would work for me. I plan to delay and selectively not do some vaccines, but then if I am giving some, doesn't that kill my chances for claiming exemption?

I know some that claim religious exempt and don't TELL school or whomever they are vaxing at all.. it is actually easier to not vax at all than to delay/ selective... I realize this is lying and might be a moral issue for some but it's a thought.. I look at it is that is is nobody's biz and I'll say what I have to to keep my biz private..the selective/ delay board would surely have great info on how to handle that situation

[sorteep]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...pics%2FMeasles

we're both wrong!! neither MOVE nor Amish!! Faith Tabernacle!..

[*GreenMama*]

the resistance to vaccines is "an irrational, fear-based decision."

Man, that just annoys me. You know some people actually do research and make a rational decision NOT to vaccinate.

And HELLO isn't it a "fear-based decision" to get vaccines in the first place?!?!?! Right? I mean, don't you get the flu shot because you are afraid that you'll get really sick if you don't? Aren't companies like Merck trying to make consumers fearful of NOT getting vaccines?!?

Okay, off my

And btw, I actually have vaccinated my son, but I am not getting the varicella one for him so I have to lie to the state and say he has NO vaccines because of religious exemption because NY is an all or nothing state. How retarded is it that I can't just be allowed to have a philosophical opposition to a new vaccine...

[GinaRae]

Originally Posted by sorteep

I know some that claim religious exempt and don't TELL school or whomever they are vaxing at all.. it is actually easier to not vax at all than to delay/ selective... I realize this is lying and might be a moral issue for some but it's a thought.. I look at it is that is is nobody's biz and I'll say what I have to to keep my biz private..the selective/ delay board would surely have great info on how to handle that situation

I've asked there and just didn't get any answers. I have a problem because it's a small school and my others are fully vaxed, so to suddenly claim exemot seems odd.

[mittendrin]

I signed the religious exempt form without thinking twice. The government makes me do it. They don't give me any other option. I don't have a problem with it. If they do, so be it.

[*Lindsey*]

Originally Posted by *HolisticMama*

Man, that just annoys me. You know some people actually do research and make a rational decision NOT to vaccinate.

And HELLO isn't it a "fear-based decision" to get vaccines in the first place?!?!?! Right? I mean, don't you get the flu shot because you are afraid that you'll get really sick if you don't? Aren't companies like Merck trying to make consumers fearful of NOT getting vaccines?!?

:

I acutally got a phone call from our insurance (state) a few months back and they were "offering a $50 gift certificate for getting your child(ren) vaccinated!" :

[GinaRae]

Originally Posted by *HolisticMama*

.... Aren't companies like Merck trying to make consumers fearful of NOT getting vaccines?!?

And btw, I actually have vaccinated my son, but I am not getting the varicella one for him so I have to lie to the state and say he has NO vaccines because of religious exemption because NY is an all or nothing state. How retarded is it that I can't just be allowed to have a philosophical opposition to a new vaccine...

Yes! Those commercials about how if you don't vaccinate yourself, you're putting your child in danger.

Also, this is what I am going thru with the varicella. They're about to pull my son from school because they want him to get it AGAIN and I didn't want to the first time but some schmuck put it in his record as 1987! He was born in 1998 ... no clue why the date is wrong. So they want it again. And how do I sign a form now after the school knows he's been fully vaccinated, saying I am exempt due to religion?

[oskie]

I thought you didn't have to justify anything if you're claiming religious exemption?

What if you converted religions and your new one was anti-vax, but the old one wasn't? Are you supposed to break your new beliefs?

Sigh. There should be an "I am an adult capable of making fully informed decisions about the health and safety of my family and don't need you to tell me what to do" exemption.

[*Lindsey*]

State exemptions: http://www.909shot.com/state-site/state-exemptions.htm

[*GreenMama*]

Originally Posted by oskie

There should be an "I am an adult capable of making fully informed decisions about the health and safety of my family and don't need you to tell me what to do" exemption.

I think that is what they mean by "philosophical," but even then it seems like you have to either oppose all vaccines or no vaccines... Ridiculous.

'Scuse me for not wanting to give my kiddo a vaccine that has only been around for a few years. Yeah, because the people who have died from taking gardisil (I think its up to 8 now, with a bunch more who now have lifetime serious conditions) really agreed to be a ginuea pig. I'm sure it was "worth it" for them. And hey, on the plus side now they'll be sure never to get cervical cancer....

[melissakc]

One way around the selective vax/religious exemption issue is to claim that some vaccines and not others are a problem for you religiously bc they have different things in them. I know some people don't get certain vaccines bc they are produced using fetal tissue, and that is certainly a religious issue for them, whereas something like the polio shot is not.

[GinaRae]

Wow, I had no idea there was some deaths and injuries from the HPV vaccine. I suppose that makes sense. Everything new seems to kill off people :