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post #101 of 331
I agree that it is dumb. Either ban characters all together or don't ban any. It seems a bit sexist and even a bit strange. I am not generally into micro-managing little children, but if I were a preschool teacher, I would be tempted to ban all character stuff just so I would not have to look at it all of the time. It is all so hard on the eyes.

I really get irritated with the whole consumerist mindset that character stuff encourages. Not so much from the money standpoint but filling the world with more and more cheap crap. And it is all so ugly and tacky. We do not "ban" anything but dd has no idea this stuff is out there and that is fine with me. We do not have TV and never shop in the sorts of stores that have aisles filled with this sort of toy or clothing. We do not eat fast food and we do all of our food shopping at the co-op which does not have the infamous cereal aisle. She has seen many of the movies but has just not been exposed to the marketing surrounding them. That was not a specific goal of ours but it just worked out that way. I am sure that will change as dd gets older, but at the tender age of 4, at least I do not have to look at that stuff in my house. I was pretty irritated at the dentist office this week when dd got her Sponge Bob toothbrush. Is it really so hard to just have plain old toothbrushes for children? Does this crap HAVE to be everywhere? Grrrrrr.
post #102 of 331
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Originally Posted by GuildJenn View Post
Sure, if they're fashion problems. :



My ds is not at this age yet, however, I am enjoying this thread. You have all given me much to think about.
post #103 of 331
Hey, very intelligent, successful women (and men) have built empires out of solving fashion problems. Wait--are empires bad? Have we established that?
post #104 of 331
There is a similar ban on "violent" characters at my ds2's preschool. It is a Christian preschool if that matters. They allow characters like Dora, Diego, Thomas and princesses, but not Batman, Spiderman, Power Rangers, etc. I guess I never even considered it was unfair to allow the princesses and just ban the superheroes, but everyone is right it is unfair to the boys. Nik has a Diego backpack, but I'm sure if he would have had his pick he would have picked something that is on the banned list. Thanks for making me think more about this issue.
post #105 of 331
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Originally Posted by Karry View Post
There is a similar ban on "violent" characters at my ds2's preschool. It is a Christian preschool if that matters. They allow characters like Dora, Diego, Thomas and princesses, but not Batman, Spiderman, Power Rangers, etc. I guess I never even considered it was unfair to allow the princesses and just ban the superheroes, but everyone is right it is unfair to the boys. Nik has a Diego backpack, but I'm sure if he would have had his pick he would have picked something that is on the banned list. Thanks for making me think more about this issue.
I wonder if they teach the Bible. Some pretty violent parts of it. Also history in general.

Oh, I just bought my kids dora and sponge bob toothbrushes. Last night at toothbrishing time I said "Who wants to brush biters with our new toothbrushes" All I heard were screams of joy ":YEAAAAA!!!" Usually what I heaar at tooth brushing time is "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" Because they know bedtime is soon to follow. I was so excited. :
post #106 of 331
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Originally Posted by Yooper View Post
I was pretty irritated at the dentist office this week when dd got her Sponge Bob toothbrush. Is it really so hard to just have plain old toothbrushes for children? Does this crap HAVE to be everywhere? Grrrrrr.
Yes - it is that hard. The toothbrush thing is one of my pet peeves. It's SO hard to find a plain, ordinary toothbrush for kids. To add insult to injury, when I can find a plain brush, it's about 1/3 the price of the licensed ones...and I don't want them, anyway.
post #107 of 331
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Originally Posted by lovingmommyhood View Post
Sorry you have issue with it. It's my opinion. Everybody has one.

I'm sorry. You are entitled to your opinion. I really have an issue with certain kids. That's why the whole character issues pushes so many buttons with me.

The kids I'm referring to aren't allowed characters but they learn about them anyway and they use them in very aggressive play. Often people will say "oh they're just boys". My personal opinion (and I've had plenty of people agree with me) is that certain kids are overly aggressive and bully other kids. So it's not because they are boys and IMO not because of whatever character they are acting out. It's an issue with that child.

But I often hear how terrible it is that kids are allowed to watch certain shows or play with certain things because some kids act out. I find myself defending kids I know who are overall pretty mellow despite the fact that they are allowed to play and watch a wide range of things.

My personal experience is that the kids at our school (almost all of who aren't media restricted)aren't so big on acting out characters. BUT the kids at a certain school I know (almost all of who ARE restricted) are obesessed with character-based violent play and TBH are often unpleasant because they are so rough. So, though I am against censorship, I do kind of wish that they would be stopped.
post #108 of 331
I like the character toothbrushes, ds saw them and picked them out himself off the shelf, even from cartoons hes never seen, and they have encouraged him to brush his teeth, he doesnt fight as much, asks for the brush so he can try it himself.

and i dont know where you guys are shopping, but I have found it very easy to find childrens toothbrushes that are plain and cheaper than the character ones. I use them on myself because adult sized heads always hurt my mouth.
post #109 of 331
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Originally Posted by ShaggyDaddy View Post
If we give in to the serial licensing frenzy and allow our kids to be overwhelmed with marketing, we lose. But if we ignore our modern mythology and our modern culture in persuit of some unobtainable "uninfluenced" state, we miss out on a lot too.
Very well put; you're on a roll!
post #110 of 331
Okay, I should have been clearer. It's not that I think all superhero or princess stuff stifles an imagination, exactly. Of course literary elements build upon one another; fairy tales in particular (superheroes included). That's part of why a knowledge of the literary and cultural canon helps promote imagination; it gives you building blocks for creative works. And I agree that my dd plays with her princess dress up clothes the same way that she does with the play silks. But then, she hasn't seen the movies. I do know I have seen lots of little kids who role play the exact same script from movies or tv shows. Over and over and over. And get mad if another child isn't following the correct script. When a kid is stuck in that sort of rut, it *does* stifle the imagination. They aren't taking a theme or a character and extrapolating; they're mimicking. They don't even seem particularly fulfilled by the play. But I'm not sure that's exactly the product of having a superhero lunch box or costumes. (I can't really imagine a classroom for small kiddos without capes of some sort, really. Even if they're scarves tied as capes.) There's more to it than just commercial representation of the characters that causes that sort of repetitive play. I think as a preschool teacher, my preference would be for no character play. Otherwise, it is totally sexist and discriminatory and anti-boy.
post #111 of 331
This thread is making me mad and cracking me up at the same time. If the Bratz dolls are *successfully* solving fashion problems, then I guess I am a lot more out of touch than I thought I was. Ew. And: ha!

Personally, I find the princess stuff annoying and offensive but have my great love of superheroes (and Jedi and Xena and all that). Mulan, however, is one 'Disney princess' I truly love - though I have to say I've no idea if she's been officially included in Disney's pantheon of princesses. I know Tinkerbell recently was, to much fanfare and discord, and she's no more a 'Princess' than Mulan is.

Anyway, Mulan disobeys her father too (all these Disney girls seem to have daddy issues), but in this case to protect him. She's physically and mentally brave and she takes initiative. She finds the stereotypical girl stuff uninteresting and is struggling to find herself, to be herself in a restrictive culture. And along the way shows great ingenuity and heroism - for family and for country. What could be better than that? She is neither a princess nor a superhero: she is a straight-up hero. But she's a licensed character, that much is indisputable. I agree that it seems wrong for a school to ban some but not others, especially when the boys (and the girls like me) are just using these heroes to act out their battles of good against evil. I'm proud of my 4-year-old for always wanting to be a hero.

Well, add me to the list of people who are more horrified about the merchandising of princesses than superheroes. OK, I accept that Mattel does want to move as many plastic Spiderman backyard swimming pool units as possible. But the Bratz dolls, all they do is talk on their cell phones while shopping at the mall with their friends and/or putting on makeup. They come with cell phones, boutique shopping bags, etc. as accessories. I know because I see this on their commercials, which are shown between acts of 'Power Rangers: Generations,' which I happily watch every day with two small boys!
post #112 of 331

Thoughts on Superheroes and a new Superhero

My kids aren't so much into the superheroes aside from the Adam West Batman whom we still watch on DVD.

They are more into anime.

When they were younger we used to talk a lot about hitting and fighting as depicted in the shows.

We also used to say that the stories (meaning plot and characters) were really good even though we didn't like the hitting. Not in a heavy handed way just as we were watching.

As for the new superhero, youngest ds (6) was playing with a friend and the new character he invented is Archbishop O'Brien (the archbishop of Baltimore). He made a big impression on my son obviously.
post #113 of 331
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Originally Posted by Karry View Post
There is a similar ban on "violent" characters at my ds2's preschool. It is a Christian preschool if that matters. They allow characters like Dora, Diego, Thomas and princesses, but not Batman, Spiderman, Power Rangers, etc.
So, I've been wondering while reading this thread: Where do the Wonder Pets fit in? They're superheroes, but they're nonviolent. Sure, they're not as ubiquitously marketed as, say, Spider-man, but the merch is out there.

I guess it's a stupid question; most grade schoolers would be worried about getting beat up if they wore a Wonder Pets shirt to school. But the philosophical question stands. Where do they fit into this scheme?

I know, I'm obsessed with the Wonder Pets.
post #114 of 331
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Originally Posted by ShaggyDaddy View Post

If we give in to the serial licensing frenzy and allow our kids to be overwhelmed with marketing, we lose. But if we ignore our modern mythology and our modern culture in persuit of some unobtainable "uninfluenced" state, we miss out on a lot too.
Disney princesses is not a part of modern 'culture' that I am particularly concerned with preserving, nor do I feel it would offer my daughter anything good. In fact I think it would offer a LOT that is bad.

I hardly see it as a disservice to children to avoid that kind of over-marketed, rigidly gendered propaganda.

We do not have to simply consume our culture. We can create it.
post #115 of 331
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Originally Posted by ktbug View Post
So, I've been wondering while reading this thread: Where do the Wonder Pets fit in? They're superheroes, but they're nonviolent. Sure, they're not as ubiquitously marketed as, say, Spider-man, but the merch is out there.

I guess it's a stupid question; most grade schoolers would be worried about getting beat up if they wore a Wonder Pets shirt to school. But the philosophical question stands. Where do they fit into this scheme?

I know, I'm obsessed with the Wonder Pets.
supergrover is another problem solving nice non violent character whos a superhero. I wonder how they come up with their list of yes and nos.
post #116 of 331
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Originally Posted by thismama View Post
Disney princesses is not a part of modern 'culture' that I am particularly concerned with preserving, nor do I feel it would offer my daughter anything good. In fact I think it would offer a LOT that is bad.

I hardly see it as a disservice to children to avoid that kind of over-marketed, rigidly gendered propaganda.

We do not have to simply consume our culture. We can create it.
what about the fact that most of the disney "princesses" are fairy tales that have been around since the turn of the century.
post #117 of 331
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Originally Posted by wonderwahine View Post
what about the fact that most of the disney "princesses" are fairy tales that have been around since the turn of the century.
They are fairy tales that have been plastic-ed up and mass marketed. Not cool. If you want to read turn of the century fairy tales (which I don't particularly as they reflect a very misogynist culture and seek to indoctrinate little girls into that), have at it. But Disney is not equivalent to an old fairy tale in its real form.
post #118 of 331
Disney is


(She wrote, as her and the kids watched peter pan.)
post #119 of 331
I love disney.......I think its all in how you explain things to your kids and how you raise them.
post #120 of 331
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Originally Posted by ktbug View Post
So, I've been wondering while reading this thread: Where do the Wonder Pets fit in? They're superheroes, but they're nonviolent. Sure, they're not as ubiquitously marketed as, say, Spider-man, but the merch is out there.

I guess it's a stupid question; most grade schoolers would be worried about getting beat up if they wore a Wonder Pets shirt to school. But the philosophical question stands. Where do they fit into this scheme?

I know, I'm obsessed with the Wonder Pets.
I would think the Wonder Pets would be allowed, but I'm not sure. I can always ask. His school also does not celebrate Halloween. Instead they have pajama day, and they are not allowed to wear superhero pajamas. He'll be wearing Diego pajamas to school, and when he goes trick-or-treating he'll be dressed up as the blue power ranger.
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