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Is there any interest? I've been reading the big threads (Healing Early Childhood Tooth Decay Naturally and Curing Cavities with Nutrition) and I am running across a lot of folks struggling with how to do this while still avoiding dairy (whether all dairy or just a component). We need to be casein-free, and I have a bad feeling that the dental appointments I've got for my son in a couple weeks will confirm my suspicions, that the discolored spot on one of his teeth is early decay.

Is anyone still around who'd like to discuss how they plan to address their kids' (or their own, for that matter) dental issues? I think it's too much to hope that someone will be around to share their successes, but if that happens, all I can say is woo-hoo.
post #2 of 102
very much interested, count me in
post #3 of 102
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Thank goodness! I know it's a slow forum but I wondered if everyone had already gone their separate ways. It'd be nice to get a few more people too, for more ideas.

So, I've got appointments on Oct. 30 & 31 with two holistic dentists here in town to see what that discolored spot on my son's tooth is. In the meantime, I've been combing through those threads and trying to figure out a) what is working for other people, and b) what I would need to do differently based on our dietary restrictions.

I guess the best chance I see is a combination of the WAP dietary approach and specific products (like xylitol--I haven't done done any reading but at least a few people say good things about it so I need to look into it) and specific strategies (little/no dried fruit? and other stuff like this). I need to learn more about all three.

What about you? Any thoughts on how to deal with this?
post #4 of 102
let's bump the thread
let me know the results of your combing, i'm interested

ds's teeth are so very vulnerable. he had brown spots and cavities since he was 2. we have a holistic dentist that gave him homeopathy for stopping the brown spots to get worse, and it worked. we have an appointment next month to see what can we do about the cavities he has now. i'm interested in the diet pov to help him with this tendency of him. You know, this dentist is also a bach flower essences practitioner and she told me that besides genetics, diet, etc, there's also an emotional pattern that can be passed from parents to child in terms of which part of the body endures one's issues, if you know what I mean, and "unlock" those patterns. ds took bach flowers and those helped lots too. and she worked with me and we discovered that ds had issues in the same teeth that I had issues. pretty interesting stuff

let me know what you find out re: diet


thanks a lot!
post #5 of 102
I think it can be done, but I don't know for sure because I caved and introduced cheeses and MI Paste (which has milk in it.)

But, there are other things. A lot of people recommend the cod liver oil and bone broths, like WAP'ers. Increasing high calcium foods is always a good idea if you can get the kid to eat collards, or kales. Xylitol, of course. My dentist has me make a paste with xylitol and a high mineral clay called Green Ilite. Hm, homeopathic remedies are available; commonly people use Calc Phos. Limited/no dried fruits, only soymilks that actually say "unsweetened", limited starchy and sticky foods. As much whole diet as possible. Uh.... oh, use the xylitol numerous times a day, just spread a little on the teeth every couple of hours. And brush frequently. Some people recommend brushing Before you eat. No juice of course... I can't see your sig, if you say how old your child is... if they're able to rinse, you could try having them rinse with a baking soda and water mix (pretty nasty tasting though.) Oh, and some people recommend colloidal silver. There's some other suggestions on the yahoo.group alternativekidsteeth. One is called salt packing, but I don't know much about it so I won't say any more.

hmmmmm. Can't think of anything else, but there are obviously a number of non-milk options. In fact, milk really isn't that big of a part of our protocol either, but I do think the MI Paste works.

Oh duh, and you can look into Ozone treatment. It's a non-invasive procedure that uses ozonated air to kill all the bacteria, deep into the tooth. Problem is, it's only available in a handful of states. Idaho, Wisconsin, and Cali, to my knowledge.

Anyway, good luck!!
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Mab--the part about emotions and cavities is interesting because for our other health problems (I'm having several health problems related to my amalgam fillings and my son is also having problems with the mercury he got from me, hence no gluten/casein), we're working with a HCP who does acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine. She was interested in which tooth/teeth are affected, since TCM has body systems related to each tooth. There are also emotions that, I think, go along with dysfunction in the body systems. Don't know much about it, and I'm not sure how it could be used to help my son's teeth, but it was interesting.

Anyway, the WAP view of cavities is basically diet-based. The idea is that if there are not enough minerals and vitamins, esp fat-soluble vitamins, available in the diet, the body uses what's available for the most critical systems and the teeth are the last on the list, so tooth problems are indicative of insufficient vitamins/minerals. To heal cavities, you need to consume excess amounts of various vitamins and minerals--beyond those needed for the body to function well, and then the body will use those leftovers to heal the cavities. For cavities, WAP is big on fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, and K, esp K2) and the bone-related minerals (calcium and phosphorus, not sure if others like boron would tend to be low--I need to figure out what the other important minerals are).

Milk and milk products can be good sources of K2, calcium, phosphorus and maybe vitA (I think vitA, not sure), so not having those makes it a bit harder. My goal, in my spare time (ha! but within the next 2 weeks or so) is to make a list of the vitamins/minerals that seem most important and then make some good non-dairy lists (with decent-guess amounts) for all of them. For calcium and phosphorus, bone broth is definitely going to be at the top, it's very easily absorbed. That should actually help with all the minerals that are in bone, but the downside is that I haven't seen a data source that shows milligrams of minerals in a bone broth. But I think the reason is that it's homemade, and so would vary from batch to batch.

Sara--thank you for jumping in! I definitely want to learn more about xylitol, honestly, I don't even know what it is. My son is 18mos old, and from the WAP perspective, tooth decay is not a surprise, my health went downhill in the middle of my pregnancy. But I don't want to just rely on diet, you know? Philosophy is all well and good, but I want this to work, so thank you for all the other ideas (products and such)--that stuff, I really don't know much about but need to learn soon.

My son is little, so the icky stuff will be difficult. But we'll see what the dentists say and then I'll figure out how creative and resourceful I can be to get him to do stuff he doesn't want to. :
post #7 of 102
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Mab--the part about emotions and cavities is interesting because for our other health problems (I'm having several health problems related to my amalgam fillings and my son is also having problems with the mercury he got from me, hence no gluten/casein), we're working with a HCP who does acupuncture and traditional Chinese medicine. She was interested in which tooth/teeth are affected, since TCM has body systems related to each tooth. There are also emotions that, I think, go along with dysfunction in the body systems. Don't know much about it, and I'm not sure how it could be used to help my son's teeth, but it was interesting.
right. so interesting indeed. what we are doing is aiming to unblock those patterns (emotions related to dysfunctions in certaing body areas) mostly through bach flowers. but we were thinking of doing TCM also...thanks for that reminder

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My goal, in my spare time (ha! but within the next 2 weeks or so) is to make a list of the vitamins/minerals that seem most important and then make some good non-dairy lists (with decent-guess amounts) for all of them.
ohhh please do share that list when you have it ready!!!
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I'm having several health problems related to my amalgam fillings and my son is also having problems with the mercury he got from me, hence no gluten/casein)
Tanya, do you have more info on this to share? something clicked here reading you. I have lots of amalgalm fillings...I know thats terrible and i'll have them removed someday when i'm done breastfeeding, but I never thought on how the mercury he may got from me affects his health now. wow.
post #9 of 102
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Tanya, do you have more info on this to share? something clicked here reading you. I have lots of amalgalm fillings...I know thats terrible and i'll have them removed someday when i'm done breastfeeding, but I never thought on how the mercury he may got from me affects his health now. wow.
I don't mind sharing at all. But warning: it’s sorta long.

My current health problems: at 4mos pregnant with my 2nd child, became hypothyroid (family history, so I never considered an underlying cause), bloodwork wasn’t bad enough for treatment, but the symptoms were obvious—took about a year to get treatment (bloodwork finally showed thyroid abnormalities), and by then I figured out that there are lots of alternative treatments so I never filled the prescription for Synthroid. Also suffering from adrenal fatigue—similar symptoms to hypothyroidism, tiredness, energy dips, there’s a long thread in H&H that discusses the symptoms (since I’m living them, I think I forget a lot of the details). I didn’t recognize this on my own; my HCP identified it when I first met her in May of this year, and then I read up on it and it fit exactly. It’s stress-related—the adrenal glands make stress hormones, and this was undoubtedly exacerbated by a death in the extended family and extended spousal unemployment.

Little clues that I missed early on: I got all 5 of my fillings at once in my early teens. Also in my early teens, my anxiety started, I developed allergies to the dog we’d had for 5 years along with other environmental allergens (dustmites, some pollens, etc), my lower back started to hurt (TCM says that’s related to kidney weakness), got glasses (mercury seems to have an affinity for the eyes, although I haven’t seen anything specifically talking about “normal” eyesight problems like nearsightedness and astigmatism, so who knows if that’s just a coincidence). It never occurred to me that any of that could be related to my fillings. My HCP says that the popping noise in my knees that started in the past couple of years is also an indicator of kidney weakness (kidney & adrenals are functionally lumped together in TCM).

Fast forward to now: If I didn’t have such poor health (lots of fatigue symptoms, lack of motivation, body temp is still low—it abruptly dropped about 1.5F at the beginning of this and is still 1.0F lower than it used to be), I wouldn’t have ever figured out that my son was affected too. I feel truly blessed to know so early, and especially to have found my HCP who not only recognized the current health problems, but knew that there was an underlying factor involved. It never would’ve occurred to me.

There’s a paper by Bernard on autism and mercury (you can google search for Bernard autism mercury). It has a long list of mercury toxicity symptoms, and head-banging is one of them. My son used to bang his head. We’re now eating GFCF (that helped in a day and a half for me, I got a big jump in energy), and that along with a couple months of supplements for him has made his head-banging go away (except when we get something contaminated with gluten, I am learning just how paranoid I need to be).

The thing is, my son is my 2nd child. My daughter is not affected (at least not in obvious ways, since mercury is not a good thing). My daughter probably got more mercury (and other bad stuff that my body hadn’t been able to rid itself of) than my son did, and I don’t think we have any other sources of mercury—well, I’ve had a few flu shots in my life, but it’s been a few years now. But I mean, even this amount of mercury was enough to cause problems for him. And if my health weren’t so bad, I wouldn’t have twigged to just what the head-banging meant, because all the other developmental stuff is fine for him.

FWIW, my plan is to wean my son early, probably around Christmas of this year. He’ll be 21 months old. I feel bad, but for my health, I need to get these fillings replaced with composites, and there is a trade-off between the benefits of breastmilk and the damage of additional mercury in the milk he’s getting. He should be done teething by Christmas (he got his teeth early) so that should help with night-wakening. But he is much more attached to nursing than my daughter was and I am deliberately not thinking about the details of how to wean him gently because it will be no fun for him and a lot of work for me.

And we may be chelating him early next year, which is scary and yet exciting. I need to do more research to really understand the pros and cons. I think I’ll definitely be chelating myself, not sure when I need to start, but I think I need to get the mercury out before I’ll really be able to heal, and I think it’s clear that my body isn’t working well enough to get the mercury out without outside assistance.

Anyway, that’s our long, sad tale. What made you think of this, if I may ask?
post #10 of 102
Tanya, thank you so m uch for your time. I don't know, when you mentioned your child being affected by your fillings, something resonated very strongly in me. I bet his dental issues have lots to do with my mouth full of mercury And I *was* aware of mercury poisoning, i am big into researching the danger of vaccinations, but somehow I didn't make the connection. The link between kidneys and health issues blew my mind. I also have the popping sound in my knees and I began having my teeth filled as a preteen. I will have to research deep into chinese medicine, i know i'll find some answers there.

I'm also researching chelation therapy .

Thank you so much!
post #11 of 102
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I've almost got my (really, really) long response all typed up. I'm not sure I have that much really worthwhile to say, but I'm sure using a lot of words to do it.

I'm sorry the mercury issue is resonating with you. It's a bummer, but for me it was also a relief, because now I know what's going on and I can deal with it. For me, while I was willing to do a number of health things on my own, I feel like I need a professional for help with the mercury (chelating and like that). But there is a lot of information out there, and here in MDC.

Here are a couple threads that I have been combing through. The first touches on dental health and chelation and WAP (pros and cons), and the second is mainly WAP ideas for curing childhood cavities. They're pretty long, but there's just so much to think about in them.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ghlight=tartar
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ghlight=Curing

One other thing about the mercury that I forgot to mention (which is sad to admit, because this is actually the reason I decided that I needed to find a HCP to help with my health) is that I started charting my cycles about a year after my son was born and realized that my luteal phase (ovulation to menstruation) was 6 days. Obviously way different than it used to be, because 6 days means you're infertile (not that I wanted to get pregnant, but it was a huge red flag that something was amiss with my body). It jumped to 8 days the first full month I was eating GFCF, yet another sign that this is really important for me.

Anyway, still working on my epic novel but it should be done in a few days.

Anyone else who wants to add in their two cents is more than welcome!!!
post #12 of 102
I'll jump in. My kids all have heavy metal toxicity it seems. Waiting for testing, but really-no suprise. I've had two on the autism spectrum, 3 with major allergies (food) and 1 with celiac disease. We are gf/cf except for my indulgences in raw milk which I have no obvious effects from but I clearly react as my baby gets constipated. I do it now and again because I am getting cavities and I can't go to a dentist (nor do I want to)

I'm big into health and nutrition. I have healed so much nutritionally, but my teeth are getting worse, not better.

We use bone broths, oil pulling (me) wheatgrass pulp, bach flowers, homeopathy, colloidal silver, pascalite clay and are just starting on xylitol. I'm bummed out because I've always had great teeth. Of course my health deteriorated in the last 5 years dramatically so I guess this is no suprise.

Anyway, I'm chelating mildly, binding toxins with raw fats, and eating all nourishing foods. I have to admit that I am in panic mode about my teeth though! I'll be here looking for ideas. The pain is starting to really be an issue
post #13 of 102
Bone broths for minerals, every day like you would drink milk. There is still insuffient evidence about how many minerals it contains...folk wisdom says 24 hr broth made with an acid according to WAPF guidelines is much more concentrated than milk.

Cod liver oil, I would do higher than regular WAPF guidelines of 5,000IU of A for under 12 and 10,000IU for everyone else depending on content of A and D in rest of diet and likelihood you are A/D deficient. Esp. if living in upper latitudes, I was just vitamin D tested and it was not high! (not horrible but not great either; we live in Mass.)

Daily sources of vitamin K2 aka Price's X Factor: certain seafood/shellfish and fish eggs, pastured egg yolks, and organ meats (I hide liver in meat dishes and we also use Dr. Ron's raw liver capsules).
post #14 of 102
thank you for jumping in firefaery!

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I'm big into health and nutrition. I have healed so much nutritionally, but my teeth are getting worse, not better.

this happens here too. so you say it's metal toxicity related? i'm fascinated (and bummed) by this


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We use bone broths, oil pulling (me) wheatgrass pulp, bach flowers, homeopathy, colloidal silver, pascalite clay and are just starting on xylitol.
oil pulling! i've learned about this 2 months ago , did it for 2 days and then totally forgot until your post! i really have to begin again


let's continue sharing ideas and experiences
post #15 of 102
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Jane (or anyone), any thoughts on supplementing with k2 (specifically with dosage)? I have a confession, I think I sorta screwed up a while back and I've been looking for answers since my lightbulb moment.

The dentist visits back on Halloween turned out to be tartar, which had come on really fast, despite 2x/day brushing and flossing (yeah, we've been flossing--his front teeth are really close and crooked, yes, totally in keeping with N&PD philosophy, which is why I started flossing really early).

Anyway, I really thought my son was vitA deficient (starting Christmas a year ago), and tried to correct that with fairly high doses of CLO. I think it was good at first, but I think that I stayed too high, too long, and, after finding an online copy of the Christ Masterjohn vitK2 article, a lightbulb came on--I think I caused the tartar by creating a relative deficit of K2 (too much A and D used up the K2, and then the calcium dumping caused the tartar--the role of K2 in calcium utilization was a huge moment for me, and another reason I want to get this sorted out).

I don't think that we can get enough K2 through diet alone to catch up (given that I still doubt my son is really where he should be with A/D, it's just better than it was). We eat good, pastured eggs daily (and were throughout this period), and I can work in some organ meat in ground beef, but I don't think this is enough (I'm also a bit worried about the amount of copper in the liver, because we're already working on correct a zinc deficiency) but at the amounts we are likely to manage, I think we should be okay on copper, but low on K2.

Firefaery--you're oil pulling while nursing? I have thought about oil pulling but have put it off because, well, partly inertia, but partly because I haven't been completely clear on whether it just grabs circulating toxins, or does something to get new toxins out? Seems like the former, and I'm leaning toward trying it because there's not a lot I can do other then nutrition before I wean. If you're doing it, then I assume you haven't felt like there's any negative to your little one?

Mab--I meant to finish up my long post earlier, but things got busy. My husband is interviewing for a job in a new city and so we're gearing up to pack everything, sell the house, and move. And my energy level is still not where it should be, so I've been feeling overwhelmed. I don't have anything new and profound to say, but I got lots of good ideas from the threads I linked to earlier. I love those threads, so many good ideas (and it's nice to not feel alone).
post #16 of 102
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This isn't finished yet, but I'm posting so that I feel pushed into a corner and get it written out--much for my own benefit, since putting everything in writing helps cement it in my mind and get me onto the implementation step. And I don't feel that I have any new ideas here, this is just really my way of combining the great ideas from other places that seem right for us into one list.

Okay, after a rather long break I’m back. First the news with my son and then a summary of the reading I’ve been doing on nutrition.

We saw 2 holistic dentists last week and I was stunned. The discoloration on my son’s teeth wasn’t decay, it was tartar. That never occurred to me. Apparently tartar is quite rare in young children, though I didn’t know that beforehand—tartar just really never occurred to me. It built up on his two bottom front teeth because the teeth are close together and are crooked—they form a ‘V’ shape toward his tongue so it’s hard to clean the bottom of the ‘V’ well. The short term solution is to buy a toothbrush that tapers at the end more and change the angle that I brush so that that area is cleaned better. But that doesn’t in any way address why the tartar is building up so quickly.

So, he’s got this really fast tartar build-up—the tartar is calcium depositing in the plaque (that’s how it was explained to me anyway), so the body is dumping calcium, which doesn’t necessarily imply too much calcium. I’ve looked into a couple possible reasons, but I think I had a breakthrough this weekend and figured it out.

I’ve been giving my son fairly high doses of cod liver oil for a while now to correct a vitamin A deficiency (an illness he had last Christmas made this obvious, and it makes sense based on my health history and his in-utero environment). I think _I_ actually caused the tartar to build up by supplementing vitamins A and D and thus creating a deficiency of K2 (Weston Price’s Activator X). Vitamin K2 is very important for calcium utilization, and his body wants to use the A & D I’ve been giving him, but it’s created a relative scarcity of K2 (because that’s also needed to utilize the A & D). And it seems to be lacking in autistic kids—my son’s not autistic, but he is suffering from mercury poisoning, and while I don’t think they’re synonymous, there are enough overlaps that I found that highly interesting.

Anyway, I could be wrong about vitamin K2 (the lack) being the cause of the tartar, and I think that much tartar, building up that quickly, puts Diego at risk of cavities unless I make some changes, and I don’t want to rely on just some additional K2 to balance the A & D. So I kept reading about the nutrition side and I’ve been reading and re-reading a few chapters in Nutrition and Physical Degeneration (Price’s book). Price’s argument is that optimal health and good dental health need a generous supply of minerals, lots of fat-soluble vitamins, and a sufficient quantity of protein, carbohydrates, and fat. It seems like the ratio of protein, carbohydrates and fat is pretty flexible depending on the individual and the food sources around. The groups Price studied had roughly 4x the mineral consumption and 10x the fat-soluble vitamin consumption of Americans in the 1930s. The Depression clearly contributed to the low vitamin and mineral consumption of many of the time, but nowadays processed foods are so ubiquitous that I don’t feel I can assume that we are any better off now, and perhaps we’re even worse.

So, here’s what I’m going to aim for (it will be a gradual process, since I’ll need to develop some new recipes and cook _even more_ than I do now):
1—1 cup of stock per person per day (4 of us, so about 2 gallons/wk allowing for some to be spilled/thrown away)
2—less sugar
3—supplements: cod liver oil, Carlson Laboratories K2, and our usual stuff (for the mercury and detox issues we’ve got)
4—more pureed soups
5—lots of vegetables
6—a fermented food or drink with each meal
7—some grains, but really nutrient-dense choices
8--we eat meat, and will continue, so since it isn't a change, I didn't list it, and I don't have any thoughts about whether it's important on the dental health side of things, but for our overall health, I think it's good

The first thing I’ve found out is that the minerals in stock are very similar to those in milk. Stock doesn’t contain any chlorine or fat-soluble vitamins. It’s rich in calcium and phosphorus and also contains magnesium, sodium, potassium, sulfur and fluoride. Boron is also important to bone health and I need to read more, but I don’t think boron deficiency is much of a concern compared to the others (but I should read more to be sure). I’m not going to worry about chlorine, salt is mostly sodium chloride and we salt our food to taste so I think we’re covered there. I can’t find a solid statement anywhere on the actual mineral content of stock, probably because it can vary depending on how it’s made, nor can I find a quantitative statement comparing the bioavailability of the minerals in stock to those in milk. Stock is supposed to be very easily digested and the minerals are supposed to be very easily absorbed. I’m going to start with trying to get 1 cup of stock into each of the kids each day, and maybe I’ll need to go up to 1 ½ cups.

Between soup at lunchtime and stock as a cooking liquid for grains, I think I can use 2 gallons per week. I've also reduced it a couple times and used it as a sauce (take the stock and boil it down to 25% of the original volume, thank you JaneS for the idea) and used it as a sauce for veggies or meat, but I don't have any recipes yet to add some better flavor, so I haven't done much there.

We’ve also got a mineral supplement that the kids take, through our healthcare provider, from a company called Perque (we use a coffee grinder to make the Bone Guard into a powder).

As for the fat-soluble vitamins, the WAP article on vitamin K2 is available online in the Files section of the vitaminK yahoo group:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/VitaminK/
I found it fascinating (that’s an understatement--definitely worth joining the yahoo group just to get the article).

Sugar is a real drain on the body in so many ways, it just drains minerals and the calories displace nutrient-dense foods (I write this because this is my weakness, much more so than the kids, and I’ve been struggling with it for so long… but I’m going to keep working at it and make progress). So we’re going to limit processed sugar, of course, but also fruit. Not zero fruit, but a serving a day seems reasonable for now. I think this is actually probably my next biggest stumbling block, for my own health, I mean. I've got 30 years of bad habits, but on the plus side, I am highly motivated. Because feeling like this sucks.

For the pureed soups and fermented veggies, the idea behind both is to help absorption (thank you to the old threads!). I think, for us, we really need to address two sides of the coin--eating more nutrient-dense foods, and doing what we can to increase the nutrients that we actually absorb from those foods. This just feels like a good step to me, and thankfully my kids are usually very happy to eat soup, so I need to find some recipes to get me started (not sure of veggie combinations that would puree well). And the fermented veggies are good bacteria, also important (and it would be nice to get regular enough about this that we could ditch the probiotic supplement).

I'm also going to try the coconut milk yogurt that I read about in a couple other threads. I am going to try it first just using the probiotic supplement we have as a starter, and if the taste is weird (weirder than yogurt, I mean, since that's not a taste I am accustomed to), then I'll look into the non-dairy yogurt starters that I've seen. You see I have lots of ideas, and not enough implemented yet? Sigh...

Anyway, this is my plan so far. I'm not sure what I'm missing, and I really haven't done any reading on the tooth product side of things, focusing on the nutrition side seems the first big step that we need. Thoughts/criticism/advice/anything else would be great.
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And one thing that I read elsewhere that was concerning, on several levels, was people who've made great nutritional strides, but didn't feel like there was real healing and improvement in their health until they got the mercury out. After a lot of thought and reading, I am planning to start chelating my son in January (or after we've settled from the move, if it happens), and myself after I wean him (which should be within the next few months). But I really don't know how long it will take, for either him or me, and the uncertainty is a little, gnawing voice at the back of my head. This isn't a useful, helpful post (I hope my previous one was), but just my ramblings. I've read a couple places that kids can get a higher concentration of mercury than their mothers (from in-utero transfer) and that is deeply disturbing. My health isn't great, and although my son doesn't have a lot of symptoms, I have to wonder how much of his basic development is off, and how much may be recoverable if I can get the mercury out.

Too much rambling, but since mercury can mess up a lot of different minerals, I think it may play a part in how we utilize the nutrients in our foods. But I think all I can do now is continue making improvements to our diet and see how it goes.
post #18 of 102
It's hard. I know. I feel totally responsible for my kids lack of health. In fact the healthiest one is the one that I made formula for. The other two are EBF and their health stinks.

There's a woman recently that needed support in my area (I'm saying very little to keep it confidential) but she's an avid WAP follower to the extreme. She did the TF long before getting pg as did her dh. She did HVCLO through PG with BO and broths regularly, all grass fed beef and TONS of raw milk. Her baby has many issues, structural and immunity wise. I guess it made me feel less guilty that my diet had caused these issues. Her's couldn't have been better if you buy the WAP stuff and it didn't make a big difference that I can see. Not saying that WAP wasn't right at all, just that it's not always all about following a prescribed idea to a "T".

I am currently doinng HVCLO directly for the kids. I'm doing raw pastured butter for the older two. I do bone broths weekly, but they don't get more than a cup a day if that...I am not sure how to get more.

I am concerned about K2 as well. You said you're using Carlson's, did you mean Kirkman's? I wasn't aware Carlson's had one.

Other than that we are totally sugar free. Always have been aside from the two or three times a year that we make a GF cake from a mix. My kids really never had sugar besides honey and the occasional maple syrup. I don't eat it either.

I juice quite a bit, but not fruit. We do alot of veggie juices. My kids eat ALOT of fat...mostly avacado, coconut oil, coconut cream, olive oil, pastured eggs and meat. I only recently started the meat thing again. After talking with my friend I decided it really isn't an option for them to not have it given the state of their collective health. We are doing high meat, high fat, low fruit, no grains, no sugar.

Dd had been getting better and then rapidly declined. She has definitely regressed. I think it was the lack of dietary fat and protein. It was when we went from SCD to raw that it all went south. Not quickly enough to notice, but looking back it's unfortunately true. Our issues which have been undetected seem to be heavy metal related. It makes sense since my kids require so much fat to function properly. Ugh.

I'm in school now and my next semesters classes are in detoxification, heavy metal analysis, urine and saliva analysis, parasitology, clinical nutrition and blood chem. I have a feeling it is going to really upset me.
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I hear ya on the metals thing. I have been studying quite a bit about consitutional types and miasms and such and it is pretty clear that different families manifest disease based on weakness. That is, some families will be more susceptible to toxins than other families whose achilles heel may be something else entirely.

My family has an issue with metals which I have known for years. I don't know why I didn't connect my kid's allergies to metal toxicity.

My grandfather, uncle and mother all have leukemia which has direct ties to metal toxicity. One of hte first questions my mother was askes when diagnosed was if she had any exposure to metals. My grandfather was an engineer than worked with precious metals. My uncle was a plumber. My mother used to go to work with my grandfather.

I have been told that I have mercury toxicity along with a toxic load of metals. Have I done anything about it? Nothing major. I havebeen pregnant or nursing for the last 6 years and apparently keeping up the family tradition I have celiac disease and a severely damaged gut which gotten much better, but I have faced more challenges than most.

My kids have allergies, were on the autism spectrum and have tooth issues.

I am chelating them gently. I am assisting my body in gentle chelation. I really hope it makes a difference.
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Firefaery, thanks for your response in the other thread about the oil pulling. I lost my long post here, but my quick question is could you elaborate on the high fat for the kiddos being helpful/necessary because of the metals? I don't know anything there, but with weaning on the horizon for my son, I had already realized I needed some more high-fat snacks, but now maybe I need them more than I thought (and so I better put some real planning into it). Thanks. Really thanks.
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