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post #41 of 47
I recently joined this forum, and have just in the last few months started diligent research on living a healthier, more natural life. I cherish my family and want better for us than what is considered to be "mainstream" food, medicine, etc. I've learned so much recently, thanks to the internet. Without this resource, I have no clue where I would have gotten so much good info. I say this because even our supposedly "fabulous" library system is seriously lacking in good anti-mainstream material. I say it's a conspiracy.

Which brings me to my point. My 4yo son is circumcised. When I was gathering information during my pregnancy, I never spent much time on the internet. I had a husband, toddler, and home to care for. I relied on professionals I trusted - my doctor, the pediatrician I had selected, nurses, and books at the library. The advice I got? Circumcise. It's better for their health, the baby feels no pain (just a pinch from the shot), etc, etc, etc. And I asked questions. I was NEVER told about the horrible truth.

I applaud everyone's activism. This is the ONLY way information like this will ever get in front of those who need it most. I have many friends who spend almost NO time on the internet - they, too, are uninformed and would find most of the info on this entire website new. How can they regret their decisions if they have no concept of what they've done? People NEED to KNOW about these things!!!

Just please remember that even folks who WANT and TRY to get informed about good food/medicine/health, etc, and who truly want the best for their families, can be led down the wrong path. I deeply regret quite a few decisions I made as a new mom - circ, vaccines, food choices, medical choices, etc. I am haunted by the feeling that I've done so much harm. But, I figure that being on the right path now counts for something.

This thread makes me wonder if I've ever run into anyone in these last 4 years who's only thought was "That woman is a barbarian," without knowing a thing about me other than the fact that I allowed my son to be circumcised. :

MY children will be armed with information. I pray (and and feel certain) that they will forgive the choices I made, and hope that they will make better choices for their own children. I can't change the past, but I sure can work to change the future. That's what activism is about, right?

Lauren
post #42 of 47
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Originally Posted by wife&mama View Post
I recently joined this forum, and have just in the last few months started diligent research on living a healthier, more natural life. I cherish my family and want better for us than what is considered to be "mainstream" food, medicine, etc. I've learned so much recently, thanks to the internet. Without this resource, I have no clue where I would have gotten so much good info. I say this because even our supposedly "fabulous" library system is seriously lacking in good anti-mainstream material. I say it's a conspiracy.

Which brings me to my point. My 4yo son is circumcised. When I was gathering information during my pregnancy, I never spent much time on the internet. I had a husband, toddler, and home to care for. I relied on professionals I trusted - my doctor, the pediatrician I had selected, nurses, and books at the library. The advice I got? Circumcise. It's better for their health, the baby feels no pain (just a pinch from the shot), etc, etc, etc. And I asked questions. I was NEVER told about the horrible truth.

I applaud everyone's activism. This is the ONLY way information like this will ever get in front of those who need it most. I have many friends who spend almost NO time on the internet - they, too, are uninformed and would find most of the info on this entire website new. How can they regret their decisions if they have no concept of what they've done? People NEED to KNOW about these things!!!

Just please remember that even folks who WANT and TRY to get informed about good food/medicine/health, etc, and who truly want the best for their families, can be led down the wrong path. I deeply regret quite a few decisions I made as a new mom - circ, vaccines, food choices, medical choices, etc. I am haunted by the feeling that I've done so much harm. But, I figure that being on the right path now counts for something.

This thread makes me wonder if I've ever run into anyone in these last 4 years who's only thought was "That woman is a barbarian," without knowing a thing about me other than the fact that I allowed my son to be circumcised. :

MY children will be armed with information. I pray (and and feel certain) that they will forgive the choices I made, and hope that they will make better choices for their own children. I can't change the past, but I sure can work to change the future. That's what activism is about, right?

Lauren


You are the kind of momma we hope all circ-ing mommas turn out to be.
post #43 of 47
Sara, I don't judge people who circumcise based on their skin color, religion or culture, I judge the fact they cut their babies/children (my culture is included in that). Judging circumcision is the same as judging any other abuse or atrocity. I can't fathom many people suggesting we not judge pedophilia or child beating. Judging can and has pushed people to start social movements, judging isn't evil. It is a normal response to horrible things and it can lead to progress and change.

I am so glad people judged slavery and had the courage to fight against it. There are many more examples I could use here.
post #44 of 47
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Originally Posted by Sheacoby View Post
Sara, I don't judge people who circumcise based on their skin color, religion or culture, I judge the fact they cut their babies/children (my culture is included in that). Judging circumcision is the same as judging any other abuse or atrocity. I can't fathom many people suggesting we not judge pedophilia or child beating. Judging can and has pushed people to start social movements, judging isn't evil. It is a normal response to horrible things and it can lead to progress and change.

I am so glad people judged slavery and had the courage to fight against it. There are many more examples I could use here.
I understand that.

What I'm saying is that "when I see Americans, my gorge rises" is NOT a form of that. That's racism. The correct way to approach it is "when I see someone who has circed their child without regrets, my gorge rises" is a TOTALLY different situation. And the former was what I was hearing and what upsets me.
post #45 of 47
Oh, I understand what you are saying now.
post #46 of 47
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Originally Posted by wife&mama View Post
I recently joined this forum, and have just in the last few months started diligent research on living a healthier, more natural life. I cherish my family and want better for us than what is considered to be "mainstream" food, medicine, etc. I've learned so much recently, thanks to the internet. Without this resource, I have no clue where I would have gotten so much good info. I say this because even our supposedly "fabulous" library system is seriously lacking in good anti-mainstream material. I say it's a conspiracy.

Which brings me to my point. My 4yo son is circumcised. When I was gathering information during my pregnancy, I never spent much time on the internet. I had a husband, toddler, and home to care for. I relied on professionals I trusted - my doctor, the pediatrician I had selected, nurses, and books at the library. The advice I got? Circumcise. It's better for their health, the baby feels no pain (just a pinch from the shot), etc, etc, etc. And I asked questions. I was NEVER told about the horrible truth.

I applaud everyone's activism. This is the ONLY way information like this will ever get in front of those who need it most. I have many friends who spend almost NO time on the internet - they, too, are uninformed and would find most of the info on this entire website new. How can they regret their decisions if they have no concept of what they've done? People NEED to KNOW about these things!!!

Just please remember that even folks who WANT and TRY to get informed about good food/medicine/health, etc, and who truly want the best for their families, can be led down the wrong path. I deeply regret quite a few decisions I made as a new mom - circ, vaccines, food choices, medical choices, etc. I am haunted by the feeling that I've done so much harm. But, I figure that being on the right path now counts for something.

This thread makes me wonder if I've ever run into anyone in these last 4 years who's only thought was "That woman is a barbarian," without knowing a thing about me other than the fact that I allowed my son to be circumcised. :

MY children will be armed with information. I pray (and and feel certain) that they will forgive the choices I made, and hope that they will make better choices for their own children. I can't change the past, but I sure can work to change the future. That's what activism is about, right?

Lauren


When you know better, you do better.

Posts like yours are the reason why I am furious at the American medical establishment. It is nothing short of malpractice the way they continue to mislead so many parents about the reality of circumcision.
post #47 of 47
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Originally Posted by Papai View Post
My post is being taken as a pro-circ post? :



LOL, it was sarcastic but it brought up the point I wanted to make, that FGM cultures get condemned regularly, but when it comes to MGM cultures, we're told they shouldn't be condemned and should be respected.
No, I didn't think that your post was pro-circ. Far from it! I just thought they were coming down on you a little too hard. For what it's worth, I agree with you. We have blinders on when it comes to our own traditions.
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