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Curious about the thoughts on selling frozen BM????  

post #1 of 39
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I was just checking out Kijiji and noticed someone selling her frozen BM. I'm not sure how I feel about this. On one hand, a baby in need might benefit from getting this BM but on the otherhand, she's asking for money for it. She's not asking much (only $10 for 15 packages at 5+ oz each). Her baby can't have it as he's developed a dairy allergy.

The thing is, I'd likely have no issue with it if she was offering it for free. I'm just not sure about the ethics involved.

What do you all think?

LP
post #2 of 39
Maybe she just wants the money to cover shipping costs.
post #3 of 39
I don't have a problem with it. Formula makers charge for their product. Breastmilk is infinitely more valuable. Maybe if moms could/did charge for it, then it would be seen as the precious thing it is.

-Angela
post #4 of 39
OMG when I saw the post topic I thought you meant Bowel movment. :
post #5 of 39
I see nothing wrong with it. Pumping takes a lot of time, usually away from baby or something else you could be doing, why not ask for money?
post #6 of 39
I don't think it would be likely to cause problems if people sold breastmilk. Actually, if people felt they could get money for it, a lot more people might choose to pump their excess to get a little extra cash! I know I would have gone to a lot more trouble to pump if there was even a small financial motive to do so. My babies never cared much for nursing from a bottle, so I could easily have sold several ounces a day if there was a market.

I'm sure more babies would get human milk if it were available on an open market, and it's hard for me to see how that would be bad. We compensate people who donate eggs and blood and blood products -- why not pay people for their milk too?

Nealy
Mama to Thales (recently self-weaned at 4 years 10 months) and nursling Lydia (19 months)
post #7 of 39
I don't have an ethical problem with people selling their own breastmilk. I have concerns about the safety of buying it if there is no screening. Ultimately I think the practice will be regulated if the sale of unscreened milk becomes too common which gives me concerns for the responsible people who have safe informal arrangements that might become too expensive if it were regulated.

And as a veteran of over supply, if I could have sold my excess milk back when I was lactating, my kids would have trust funds by now.

I have to wonder who would buy unscreened milk from a stranger. I know there are lots of people with chronic illnesses and cancers who are searching for sources of breastmilk. Are they less discerning than people feeding their babies? Dunno.
post #8 of 39
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Originally Posted by katt View Post
I see nothing wrong with it. Pumping takes a lot of time, usually away from baby or something else you could be doing, why not ask for money?
: I say good for her if she gets money for it. Obviously if she wants to give it away, that's even better (and extremely kind and generous), but I don't see why a woman who worked so hard to pump should be obligated to give her milk to anyone.

What I have a serious problem with is someone else making money off another woman's hard-won pumped milk (the way Prolacta is doing), especially if the donor mom isn't aware that it will be sold beforehand. That's the kind of situation that makes me , and why I write about it so much.

(As for safety issues, it's the obligation of the seller of the milk to provide bloodwork documentation to the recipient. It's the responsibility of the recipient to either choose to home-pasteurize or not, based on the information she has. Either way, that's a pretty personal decision I trust people can make for themselves pretty well, without the necessity of a third party.)
post #9 of 39
On one hand I think its ok, on the other hand I see that trouble that can happen if this became a popular item to sell. Most mamas who donate are doing it for noble causes, if this starts to be an unregulated personal profit thing it could definitely lead to problems.
post #10 of 39
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On one hand I think its ok, on the other hand I see that trouble that can happen if this became a popular item to sell. Most mamas who donate are doing it for noble causes, if this starts to be an unregulated personal profit thing it could definitely lead to problems.
I don't see why it should be a problem. Throughout history wet nurses were compensated for their services. Historically, only a very small percentage of women provided breast milk in some form, either pumping or nursing, for noble reasons. For most women it was their livelihood.
post #11 of 39
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I don't see why it should be a problem. Throughout history wet nurses were compensated for their services. Historically, only a very small percentage of women provided breast milk in some form, either pumping or nursing, for noble reasons. For most women it was their livelihood.
That was in the days before even drugs were regulated. I can't imagine that this practice wouldn't ultimately be regulated in the U.S. I fear that regulation would lead to making it too expensive for individuals to do and drive breastmilk sale into corporations who will be able to afford whatever processing or screening regulations require.

Currently there are responsible people doing this safely along with the people like the advertiser the OP discusses. I fear that if there are cases of babies getting sick from purchased unscreened milk, some legislator is going to say "This is the sale of food which is the proper purview of the Food and Drug Administration" or somethnig similar. Then the FDA moves in and sets up regulations for processing, packaging, labeling, etc., that make it impossible for individuals to do it.

Just seems to me like a possible scenario.
post #12 of 39
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Originally Posted by ulla View Post
I don't see why it should be a problem. Throughout history wet nurses were compensated for their services. Historically, only a very small percentage of women provided breast milk in some form, either pumping or nursing, for noble reasons. For most women it was their livelihood.
I understand all of that, but I just think of the wrong kind of people getting the wrong kind of idea about selling milk. I don't want to sound paranoid, but I have seen all kinds of things go on that is unheard of over my years working first in human services, and then as a pediatric nurse. What if drug addicts sold there breastmilk for drug money? How would a mother know? Some corrupt person can put up a front of being a loving bf mom, while getting the less then ideal bm donation candidates to give their milk to her, so she can resell it posing as loving mommy who wants to help. I mean this is a long shot, but there is corruption everywhere and there are people who would commit any type of fraud when money is to be made. I think its ok to sell breastmilk, but I think it should be a regulated thing, especially for the protection of the baby.
post #13 of 39
It is actually illegal to sell human breastmilk. However, a BM donor can be compensated for her time, pumping supplies,and shipping.

I think it's great that this mom is wanting to provide someone else with the breastmilk she can no longer use. There are ways to test and pastuerize the BM at home if the receipent was concerned about these things.

BM donors can be matched with a receipient familiy through the site Milk Share if anyone is interested in donating their excess milk.
post #14 of 39
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Originally Posted by TrishWSU View Post
It is actually illegal to sell human breastmilk. However, a BM donor can be compensated for her time, pumping supplies,and shipping.
Under what law? I wasn't aware of one. I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted for selling breastmilk. Do you have a cite I could look at?
post #15 of 39
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Under what law? I wasn't aware of one. I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted for selling breastmilk. Do you have a cite I could look at?
I am trying to find what law specifically, but it also covers the sale of blood and semen {unregulated bodily fluids.} However, sperm and milk banks can charge receipents for these fluids because the cost isn't for the fluid itself, rather the testing, processing and storage of the fluids.

So, if you are doing an individual donation, you cannot charge per ounce, but you can request compensation for your time and effort. For an exclusive pumper, the "norm" for compensation is about $125/week, plus the receipent pays for all supplies and shipping. {I'm a surrogate and it's really common for surro-moms to pump for their surro-babes or another family.}
post #16 of 39
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Originally Posted by TrishWSU View Post
I am trying to find what law specifically, but it also covers the sale of blood and semen {unregulated bodily fluids.} However, sperm and milk banks can charge receipents for these fluids because the cost isn't for the fluid itself, rather the testing, processing and storage of the fluids.
But blood donors and sperm donors often ARE paid.

-Angela
post #17 of 39
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But blood donors and sperm donors often ARE paid.

-Angela
But the payment is not dependent on the amount donated {i.e $X/ounce.} It is for their time and effort {and I'm sure sperm donation is really difficult, lol.} It's really all about the wording.
post #18 of 39
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But the payment is not dependent on the amount donated {i.e $X/ounce.} It is for their time and effort {and I'm sure sperm donation is really difficult, lol.} It's really all about the wording.
Well they may not measure sperm for volume, but I'm pretty sure that standard blood and platelet donation is a set amount each time.

-Angela
post #19 of 39
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Originally Posted by Blondimom728 View Post
I understand all of that, but I just think of the wrong kind of people getting the wrong kind of idea about selling milk. I don't want to sound paranoid, but I have seen all kinds of things go on that is unheard of over my years working first in human services, and then as a pediatric nurse. What if drug addicts sold there breastmilk for drug money? How would a mother know?
Well, unfortunately, as a recipient, you don't know, but that's the risk some people take. The best defense against this is to get to know your seller really well and conduct your own tests. The seller could be a lifelong friend that is doing this, and paying her for her milk is a way to help her out with her expenses... No way of knowing without examining each individual situation...

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Some corrupt person can put up a front of being a loving bf mom, while getting the less then ideal bm donation candidates to give their milk to her, so she can resell it posing as loving mommy who wants to help. I mean this is a long shot, but there is corruption everywhere and there are people who would commit any type of fraud when money is to be made. I think its ok to sell breastmilk, but I think it should be a regulated thing, especially for the protection of the baby.
Regulated by whom? Who is going to make this any less corrupt without making it harder for the people that are actually doing the right thing? The FDA? And how would it be regulated? What's the "proper" way to do so? I can't think of any way to regulate this sort of transaction without it turning into a royal bureaucratic PITA for everyone involved. I think individual "regulation" (in the form of blood tests for diseases, urine tests for drugs, and possibly other tests to determine if the milk is indeed human milk and not cow's milk poured into Lansinoh bags, paid for by the recipient...) is a good idea, and that's a part of what it means to be a cautious consumer... But external regulation, ugh, that just sounds like a nightmare for everyone.

I agree that there is corruption everywhere, and there are people who would commit any type of fraud when money is to be made. Totally agree with you there. But as the old adage goes, "buyer beware." Lots of things are supposedly "regulated" now aren't very well overlooked, yet it costs us lots of money (in the form of taxes, etc.) to pay for this "overlooking" and "regulation."

Obviously the ideal situation for a recipient is for the breastmilk to be donated (not only because it's cheaper, but because it helps to ensure the donor isn't doing it for the money -- since there's no money to be made), but if a woman decides to sell her own milk, I don't think there should be restrictions placed on her, and I don't think there should be any law against that. As a buyer in a situation like that, I would be extremely cautious, and in fact, I probably wouldn't enter into a situation like that at all as a recipient because I'm so extremely cautious about those kinds of situations (I would look for someone who is donating for altruistic reasons instead)... But I still wouldn't want to restrict any woman who would want to sell her own milk. It's hers to sell and/or do with what she wishes. If a corporation can sell another woman's breastmilk, then it sure as heck should be O.K. for the woman who spent the time pumping her own milk to sell it.
post #20 of 39
To each their own.

I will be donating after this pregnancy is finished. But the only thing I will receive is reimbursement for the bags and shipping costs, if any. I'll be paying for the rental fee myself (Medela Symphony at $50+ a month).

I could never charge for BM. I can understand getting a flat fee per month or whatever. But it's not something I'd be comfortable with.
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