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I agree with this, strongly -- largely because I have seen the theory borne out as reality many, many times in my breastfeeding volunteer work.

However, I have also been told by some formula-feeding mothers that they deeply resent the implication that when they chose not to breastfeed, they weren't really making an independent choice out of their own free will as empowered adult individuals. They find it patronizing and condescending to hear that they might have breastfed with better information and support. They feel that ascribing low breastfeeding rates to formula advertising is just another knee-jerk liberal cop-out that excuses individuals from all personal responsibility -- and anyway, they are quite certain that THEY have never been subconsciously influenced against their will by an advertisement. They insist that they are adult people who are intelligent, savvy, and educated, and they made a choice, period. They resent breastfeeding advocacy that says, "Oh, poor you, don't feel guilty, you didn't know what you were doing, really."

How do we counter this? I haven't come up with a winning argument yet. But I think it's important to take account of, because this mindset so beautifully typifies the surrounding culture.
I understand this, and have thought that it could be interpreted as condescending, yet I still believe that if someone chooses to formula-feed, they may think they know that "breast is best" (because everybody does), but they don't know to what degree... I think people often don't want to think of themselves as victims of their circumstances; we often want to believe that we are in control of our lives, so for someone to hear that their choice to formula-feed wasn't really an informed choice... Ouch! Kwim?

I can understand the sentiment, but it doesn't change that I truly feel anyone who would make that choice probably has very good reasons for it (often beyond their control and that have nothing to do with being a "bad mom," nor do these people want to share with perfect strangers -- or even close friends -- the real reasons why they made the choice to formula-feed. They may not even be aware of them!).

Most women give birth in hospitals and hospitals are notorious for sabotaging breastfeeding efforts... Couple that with the general attitude that formula and breastfeeding are equivalent choices and you have a recipe for a bottle-feeding, formula-feeding culture. How could I possibly guilt any woman for making the choice to formula-feed? It would be cruel.
post #42 of 44
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Many women defend the practice of formula marketing through hospitals, because they accept the industry's argument that they are intelligent individuals capable of making their own choices. They see lactivist efforts to protect breastfeeding from profit-driven corporate sabotage as patronizing condescension. Essentially, they reject all evidence that advertising WORKS, because to acknowledge otherwise undermines their self-image as free agents in a fair world.
Hm. You know, I've gotta wonder how many of these women who are rallying to keep hospital formula samples are actual women and how many of them are IFC agents... Viral marketing isn't a new thing. I mean, we have those ridiculous momsfeedingfreedom.com and babyfeedingchoice.org sites... At first blush, they seem so legitimate and grassroots, but they've been carefully designed to look that way, to make it seem like the indignant everywoman is behind them... I find it really a stretch to believe that so many women would have the time in their day to get behind this ludicrous "cause." Women, moms in particular, don't have that kind of free time. Sure, most moms probably like having the free samples, and most probably think they're harmless (which they're obviously not), but it doesn't mean most moms are going to hold up signs and protest and write letters over it. It's just another myth, and that myth is being sold to everyone who will listen. Very effectively sold, but I'm not buying it. I truly don't think moms care that much about keeping samples of formula in hospitals that aren't going to last longer than a week, especially if moms who would have trouble affording formula would get theirs for free from WIC anyway, kwim? It's all just more marketing lies. Any woman who would, in passing, agree with this myth, is just that: "in passing." After the pregnancy and postpartum period, most women wouldn't care enough to rally behind such a silly cause. Life is way too hectic for that. It's all just more smoke and mirrors to make people believe moms care more about this than they actually do...

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I think this mindset is behind the very common scenario of a mother who tried to breastfeed, found it difficult, and weaned to formula ... but then blames the culture of breastfeeding advocacy for her ordeal, feels gratitude and other kinds of positive emotional investment in the systems that put formula within easy reach, and takes a certain degree of defensive pride in what she sees as her strength of character and sharp mind for being smart enough to make the right choice (formula-feeding) for her baby. She -- despite following what is very much the norm for our society -- sees herself as a sort of hero-consumer, for refusing to play the part of the needy victim ... which I think is precisely how the corporations want us to see ourselves, with their help of course.
Song, you are pretty brilliant. I need to get that out of the way before I continue writing...

Yeah, I can definitely see this being the case for many women... Interesting dilemma... But I think we can overcome it. Not sure how yet... Thinking... I think together we can all come up with something.

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I have a whole set of intellectual, analytical tools that help me understand why individuals can be so invested in systems that in many important ways work against their own best interests. What I don't have is a way to communicate this effectively in layperson's terms. But I think this is an important problem for lactivists to tackle, because ultimately, we're not going to change institutions or society-wide policies doing it one mother at a time. We have to build political will to change the way our society views breastfeeding and the way it treats mommas and nurslings.
I think you should blog. That's a way to get your ideas out in a way most people will understand, and you have a lot of really important things to say. So get a move on, sister...

I think that both ways of changing society are important: every person we meet is an opportunity to educate. We need to be as plain and non-judgmental as possible if we're to actually get the lactivism message across. The end-goal is to have society accept breastfeeding and lactation as normal, to accept lactation for 2+ years as ordinary... It's baby-steps until then, and it really does start one person at a time. It's really important not to condescend to or judge any kind of formula-feeding... But it's equally important to provide as much breastfeeding education and support as possible, in the gentlest way we can, to pretty much everyone we meet.
post #43 of 44
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The attitude I described in my previous post ("Not breastfeeding -- or quitting breastfeeding -- was my free choice; I resent your assumption that I was misinformed or incapable") comes up in discussions of breastfeeding as a broader social, cultural, political, and economic issue. I'm thinking specifically of the "Ban the Bags" campaign. Many women defend the practice of formula marketing through hospitals, because they accept the industry's argument that they are intelligent individuals capable of making their own choices. They see lactivist efforts to protect breastfeeding from profit-driven corporate sabotage as patronizing condescension. Essentially, they reject all evidence that advertising WORKS, because to acknowledge otherwise undermines their self-image as free agents in a fair world.

I think this mindset is behind the very common scenario of a mother who tried to breastfeed, found it difficult, and weaned to formula ... but then blames the culture of breastfeeding advocacy for her ordeal, feels gratitude and other kinds of positive emotional investment in the systems that put formula within easy reach, and takes a certain degree of defensive pride in what she sees as her strength of character and sharp mind for being smart enough to make the right choice (formula-feeding) for her baby. She -- despite following what is very much the norm for our society -- sees herself as a sort of hero-consumer, for refusing to play the part of the needy victim ... which I think is precisely how the corporations want us to see ourselves, with their help of course.

I have a whole set of intellectual, analytical tools that help me understand why individuals can be so invested in systems that in many important ways work against their own best interests. What I don't have is a way to communicate this effectively in layperson's terms. But I think this is an important problem for lactivists to tackle, because ultimately, we're not going to change institutions or society-wide policies doing it one mother at a time. We have to build political will to change the way our society views breastfeeding and the way it treats mommas and nurslings.
songbh,
Thanks for the insight. I am really impressed at the sophistication of your thinking. It's easy to preach to the converted --which is great for building moral in a world that doesn't validate our choices-- but it is difficult to go out into that world and reach the average mom without alienating her.

IMO it is a victory to convince one woman to: --at least nurse in the hospital, --nurse for the length of maternity leave, --pump what she can and supplement the rest if she has work related low supply, --nurse beyond the "standard" 6 months or 9 months (whatever the perceived standard is), --Etc., etc., etc. If you can do that without offending her then she may nurse a little longer the next time or offer moral support to a friend of hers that is having difficulty.

~Cath
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songbh,
Thanks for the insight. I am really impressed at the sophistication of your thinking. It's easy to preach to the converted --which is great for building moral in a world that doesn't validate our choices-- but it is difficult to go out into that world and reach the average mom without alienating her.

IMO it is a victory to convince one woman to: --at least nurse in the hospital, --nurse for the length of maternity leave, --pump what she can and supplement the rest if she has work related low supply, --nurse beyond the "standard" 6 months or 9 months (whatever the perceived standard is), --Etc., etc., etc. If you can do that without offending her then she may nurse a little longer the next time or offer moral support to a friend of hers that is having difficulty.

~Cath
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