My Child Did not have any adverse reactions to any vaccinations thread--question

[Tracy]

For those of you who can identify your child as one who had no adverse reactions to shots---question, does your child have any chronic health problems?

[Tracy]

My Non Vaccinated child---question--now has own thread

whoops..sorry I wanted this post to have its own thread.
off to make it.

[tysmamaca]

Child 1: delayed and selective vaccines, no apparent adverse reactions ever, had mild/moderate eczema, food allergies, and enviro. allergies.

Child 2: no vaccines, had severe eczema, food allergies, no enviro. allergies (she's only 2 so she could get enviro. allergies later).

[delphiniumpansy]

no problems here for fully vaxed (no flu) dd#1

[bri276]

DD had only one low grade temp in response to 2 month DTaP. She did not ever get Hep B, but was otherwised fully vaxed on schedule until 9 months.

She does have a chromosome disorder but is physically quite healthy- she does have developmental delays and luckily we didn't see any noticeable worsening or change after shots. No chronic health problems besides a growth hormone deficiency that's related to her disorder.

I feel that I stopped just before the proverbial @#$& hit the fan. I had a HUGE gut feeling about MMR and I thank God every day that I came to my senses before then. We no longer vaccinate at all.

[earthmama369]

DD received one series of vaccinations -- the HiB -- on a delayed schedule. We nursed through the injections and she never seemed to notice them -- no jumping, no crying, no flinching. She experienced no tenderness or redness at the site, no fever, no crankiness, etc.

She has had ongoing issues with cradle cap and eczema, both related to a dairy intolerance, but she's outgrowing it and those issues clearly predated her receiving the HiB. They were present from birth.

Despite her lack of adverse reactions, we still decided to stop vaccinating her and have not vaccinated her brother, based on my own medical history (as learned about post-HiB experience) and my research.

[holly6737]

No chronic health problems here and no reactions to any vaccines. Shocking, isn't it?

[Juvysen]

My dd is vax'd up to 1 year (at 1 year we declined the MMR, and since we've declined everything). Her only "reaction" was being fussy after her 2 month shots when we let the tylenol lapse... no health problems, though... but now I've heard too many scary stories about, say, an 18 month old who's fully vax'd dying after the 18 month appt. : We're done.

[AuntNi]

This is a good question. My DD was fully vaxed through her 24-month WBV. She had the flu shot, but not the HepA. I'm not sure about the chicken pox. I refused it, wouldn't sign the sheet, and didn't see her get it. But the vax name is listed on her vax record, so I've always wondered if the doctor snuck it in against my wishes.

She never had any of the severe immediate reactions that were listed on the doc's sheets. She has eczema and enviromental allergies. She also was diagnosed with anxiety disorder, and is Highly Sensitive. I don't know whether those were made worse by vaccines, or if they'd be even worse than they are if I'd kept getting all her shots.

[carriebft]

Well, it is worth very little in logical debate and medical reasoning-- but with the latter there IS a place for it when questioning is happening. If something is going underreprted or ignored, then evidence found in the population can attest to that. (think: meatal stenosis as a result of circumcision)

(so recently a canadian pediatric paper called for a re examination of circumcision based on the ped who wrote the article saying that he has seen four cases of botched circumcsiion in the last year and feels the risk rates may need to be re-examined because of this)

I think the same can be said about vaccine reactions.

[holly6737]

Originally Posted by carriebft

Well, it is worth very little in logical debate and medical reasoning-- but with the latter there IS a place for it when questioning is happening. If something is going underreprted or ignored, then evidence found in the population can attest to that. (think: meatal stenosis as a result of circumcision)

(so recently a canadian pediatric paper called for a re examination of circumcision based on the ped who wrote the article saying that he has seen four cases of botched circumcsiion in the last year and feels the risk rates may need to be re-examined because of this)

I think the same can be said about vaccine reactions.

I understand what you're saying, but I would never base any of my medical decisions on anecdotal evidence. And it sounds like alot of people are doing that. When I was planning my HBAC, I can't tell you how many people had a story about a friend who's uterus ruptured and the baby died, or who's friend almost bled out at a homebirth her whole family was against, or whatever, on and on and on. You just can't listen to anecdotal evidence when making medical decisions. I had to look at the true statistics and the statistics say home birth and VBAC are safe for many women, despite how many women who've known women who have had babies die or have died in home birth or VBAC labors. Same with vaccines. I mean, we could say that about anything. My BIL choked on a hot dog when he was 10. Should no 10 year olds eat hot dogs? See what I mean?

[BrooklynDoula]

I have an almost fully vaxed 5 year old with no reactions and no health issues.

[carriebft]

I guess I have been reading Tracy's series of threads on reactions as gathering data, not as a "read this thread and make a decision based on it" kinda thing.

[Ophelia]

I wonder if this thread should be renamed "My Child Did not have any immediate or discernable reactions to any vaccinations"

How do we know what's going to happen 10, 20, 50 years from now?
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[crittersmom]

I think of it more as a hmmm... something is going on when I have something in common with somebody across the country and my DR keeps poo pooing me.I think I will ask another DR until I get someone to listen to me.
The Depo shot was one of those nothing's wrong perfectly fine for everyone drugs but when I've compared "Anecdotal" evidence there are an awful lot of gall bladder problems,bone loss,and ectopic pregnancies.Now its coming out that it does lead to increased bone loss density.
A statistic can be played around with very,very easily.

[Mommiska]

Well - my two oldest children are fully vaxed (although I stopped when they were 4 years old and 2.5 respectively, so they haven't received school age booster shots).

My 2 youngest are completely unvaxed.

The oldest two - dd1 has absolutely no health problems, although she was quite feverish after the first DTP shot at 2 months that I remember (really worried me at the time).

DD2 - just recently (she's 6 years old), I've noticed small eczema patches at the side of one knee - that's it. Nothing else.

The unvaxed kids:

DS1 - no chronic health problems at all. One of the healthiest kids I know!

DD3 - she's my chronic health problem kid. She had horrendous eczema as a baby, and (at 2 years old) whenever she gets a cold, it seems to go to her chest and she starts wheezing, so I'm afraid she'll end up with asthma (DH has asthma, and I have eczema, although it doesn't bother me very often).

Strange, huh? Obviously, genes play a part in these chronic conditions. I'm still very glad I stopped vaccinating when I did.

On a side note - the older two girls seemed to have chronic runny noses when they were toddlers, while the two younger ones very rarely were sick as toddlers (even the still 2 year old - she doesn't seem to have that chronic runny nose that the older two had at her age). Not sure if that is related to vax/non-vaxed status.

It's an interesting question (although I agree that anecdotal evidence isn't proof of anything)...

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by holly6737

You just can't listen to anecdotal evidence when making medical decisions. I had to look at the true statistics and the statistics say home birth and VBAC are safe for many women, despite how many women who've known women who have had babies die or have died in home birth or VBAC labors. Same with vaccines. I mean, we could say that about anything. My BIL choked on a hot dog when he was 10. Should no 10 year olds eat hot dogs? See what I mean?

Great, I'd love to look at the "true" statistics. But in order to accumulate them doctors would have to admit that reactions happen. There are posters on here who have had children lose conciousness and have seizures in the doctors office and their reactions were not reported. Things like that are coincidence, "just happen", are not really "severe" reactions. Your child develops a rash 7-11 days after the MMR? Well, that is just a coincidence, must be some other random virus, roseola, etc.

Until post-vaccine reactions are treated like any other DRUG reaction (you've been taking X antibiotic for 3 days and have hives? seems like you're allergic; don't take that drug anymore) VAERS is the best we have.

[Tracy]

Originally Posted by carriebft

I guess I have been reading Tracy's series of threads on reactions as gathering data, not as a "read this thread and make a decision based on it" kinda thing.

Yes.

[bri276]

there are no reliable statistics for adverse reactions to vaccines.

Show me the "statistics", holly. Where are they? Who is reporting the children whose pediatricians are denying the reaction, even a reaction clearly listed in the package insert of the vaccine? That's the whole point! It happens constantly.

Or there are a whole lot of lying parents.

[CherryBomb]

Both my children have been fully vaxed on a delayed schedule. Neither is chronically ill. My second is developmentally delayed from a prenatal stroke, but obviously that had nothing to do with vaxes(and she didn't receive *any* vaxes until she was a year old).