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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
It hit me after my nephew was born last week. My brother wanted him circ'd after he agreed to leave him intact, because when he saw him he thought "it" (penis) "looks f-ing weird without a circ". We're not talking about those who truly believe the "health" BS as a reason for circ. What I'm seeing is that those who circ really just think that's the way a penis should look. So it became clear as day to me last week - some people see their new infant sons as people and some see them as possessions. People have the right to choose how their genitals look and function, possessions are subject to their owner's whims.
So the next time someone hits me with a "look like Dad" argument, I'll just ask them - is your newborn son a person or your POSSESSION?
BTW, my nephew is intact. My DEAR DEAR SIL gets it.
post #2 of 13
Good thought. Since I found out the gender and could assign a name to him I saw my son as a seperate person with his own wills and desires, even before he was born. He is his own being, not something for me to have to show to the neighbors or get approval about. The husband and I didn't have a child to be an extension of our own egos.

He's ours to look after until he's an adult but we don't own him.
post #3 of 13
Wow! Good for your SIL for "getting it"! I bet you had a lot to do with that. Good for you. Wonderful news about your nephew too!

Here are my thoughts why ppl think a penis looks weird if its not circ'd...

We humans are SUPPOSE to be attracted to the bare glans of a penis... When its ERECT! BUT on a NEWBORN? : Our culture never tells us that foreskin on an infant is NORMAL! So, why would parents cosmetically alter their newborn ds's genitals so they can be attracted to his flaccid penis by making it look erect? To see bare glans on an infant just looks wrong. The only difference between a circumcised erect penis and the intact erect penis is the SCAR! What is so darn attractive about a SCAR? Personally I find the soft supple moist glans much more appealing than a dried up flared out HARD looking mutilated piece of equipment! (I'm talking about the ADULT of course.) With out that cushion of which nature provided for the women's pleasure, you need to improvise with artificial lubes and its just so, well - unnatural!

Electing cosmetic surgery and veiling the "health" claim because it looks weird is sheer ignorance! This is UTTERLY, prejudice and bigotry!!
post #4 of 13
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Originally Posted by fruitful womb View Post
Wow! Good for your SIL for "getting it"! I bet you had a lot to do with that. Good for you. Wonderful news about your nephew too!

Here are my thoughts why ppl think a penis looks weird if its not circ'd...

We humans are SUPPOSE to be attracted to the bare glans of a penis... When its ERECT! BUT on a NEWBORN? : Our culture never tells us that foreskin on an infant is NORMAL! So, why would parents cosmetically alter their newborn ds's genitals so they can be attracted to his flaccid penis by making it look erect? To see bare glans on an infant just looks wrong. The only difference between a circumcised erect penis and the intact erect penis is the SCAR! What is so darn attractive about a SCAR? Personally I find the soft supple moist glans much more appealing than a dried up flared out HARD looking mutilated piece of equipment! (I'm talking about the ADULT of course.) With out that cushion of which nature provided for the women's pleasure, you need to improvise with artificial lubes and its just so, well - unnatural!

Electing cosmetic surgery and veiling the "health" claim because it looks weird is sheer ignorance! This is UTTERLY, prejudice and bigotry!!
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I grew up in a circumcised family and left my son intact .I still don't get it plus now circ boys look so abnormal to me and I dont get it how some people can see the difference and still prefer the one that is bare and totally exposed which now totally freaks me out .

I keep on thinking of how each time I wiping bm off of Brendan thinking wow his bm is on his foreskin and I go his bm will never touch his glans , then when brendan was playing in the sand with dippys on full of sand in there and along his foreskin then I was think wow his meatus is protected by foreskin so sand don't get into it .
post #5 of 13
I like the Norm Cohen quote in my sig on this topic!!
post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by mamasophy View Post
It hit me after my nephew was born last week. My brother wanted him circ'd after he agreed to leave him intact, because when he saw him he thought "it" (penis) "looks f-ing weird without a circ". We're not talking about those who truly believe the "health" BS as a reason for circ. What I'm seeing is that those who circ really just think that's the way a penis should look. So it became clear as day to me last week - some people see their new infant sons as people and some see them as possessions. People have the right to choose how their genitals look and function, possessions are subject to their owner's whims.
So the next time someone hits me with a "look like Dad" argument, I'll just ask them - is your newborn son a person or your POSSESSION?
BTW, my nephew is intact. My DEAR DEAR SIL gets it.

Is this a different brother from the one who caved in to his wife who wanted their son circ'd?
post #7 of 13
I was talking to my sister about this the other day. She was saying that when she asked her eldest son about him being intact and if he was happy about it he said "that's a part of my body, I need that".
post #8 of 13
I have had mom's come right out and tell me that until their child is 18yo the child belongs to them and they can do with them as they please
post #9 of 13
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I have had mom's come right out and tell me that until their child is 18yo the child belongs to them and they can do with them as they please
Yeah, I've heard that too. Sickening attitudes, really. Makes you wonder what else goes in behind closed doors. :
post #10 of 13
Yeah I don't think this argument will be helpful for many people as they really do believe their child is their possession.
post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 
Yeah, unfortunately many people do see a child as a possession. Makes me ill. I had a HUGE blowup with both of my brothers about this. Long story. But it is the crucial difference I think - person or property. Oh how I wish I could just change this culture (US mostly, but all over the world children and women are still seen as property aren't they?)!! But I illuminated my SIL's mind on this topic, with the "letter to a pregnant relative" I posted awhile back. She automatically got it once she thought about it, and of course once her baby was born she was bonded and really saw how obscene circ is (to imagine her baby going through a circ - she cried even thinking about it!).
Papai, this is my other brother, who lives in the Bay Area. Both brothers had babies this year, 2 boys, one girl. One boy intact. But the thing is I think my brother is still wanting the new babe circ'd, he is just avoiding the issue (the ped. told them they had a month for insurance to cover). Hopefully my SIL is as strong as she has appeared to be lately - she won't just tell him absolutely NO, she wants to convince him that "social issues" aren't an issue anymore (luckily they're in CA!). So all is well so far and will most likely remain that way for new baby Brennan.
post #12 of 13
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Good thought. Since I found out the gender and could assign a name to him I saw my son as a seperate person with his own wills and desires, even before he was born. He is his own being, not something for me to have to show to the neighbors or get approval about. The husband and I didn't have a child to be an extension of our own egos.

He's ours to look after until he's an adult but we don't own him.
And what's more he's going to have a sex life (even though I'll pretend he doesn't), and that is CERTAINLY none of my business.
post #13 of 13
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some people see their new infant sons as people and some see them as possessions
yes..

The more adults start seeing infants as real people and not "it" or "the baby" etc. and not toy dolls, the less circ there will be.
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