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post #1 of 52
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What info do you have on wic and free formula?

I went to a baby shower this past weekend. The mom was asked if she was going to bf and she replied "why? I can get formula for free from WIC!" This disgusts me. They are not poor people yet it is okay for them to go on WIC JUST for the free formula.

I think that if you are going to choose to formula feed then you should have to buy it yourself!

Something is wrong with this picture and needs to change! I understand why they have it but time and time again, I see moms who arent poor getting the benefits just to pay for their formula.
post #2 of 52
I'm on WIC and bfing.
They have different packages, one for breastfeeding, one for those who aren't, ect.
From what I've been told, if you aren't bfing then they do give you formula but it's not a whole lot. You still have to go out and buy it yourself. Also, you have to be under a certain income to get WIC.
post #3 of 52
From what I've seen with friends who FF and get WIC, you get 9 of the smaller cans of powder (12 ounces?) per month, or 31 cans of the liquid concentrate. It's not enough to feed a baby for an entire month, so you will still have to buy at least some formula if you get WIC.

I really wish there weren't so many women who could just choose not to BF and get free formula. But at the same time, if they weren't getting formula through WIC, some might be feeding their children something even more substandard, like very watered down formula or just cow's milk (and I've known women who've done both sadly ).
post #4 of 52
You get more free food from WIC if you're BF than if you're FF. So, even for people on WIC, BF saves money. Also, many babies drink far more formula than WIC allows per month, at least after the first few months. So FF on WIC still ends up costing money- and many families don't realize this when they start out.
post #5 of 52
You do have to meet income eligibility requirements to qualify for wic. Wic is actually very pro bf and are striving to really improve breastfeeding initiation rates. While wic is known for free formula, its goal is nutrition for pregnant/bf woman and infants. Years ago when wic started, poorer people who were not bf, were giving watered down formula, starting cows milk way too early, and feeding babies other liquids as an alternative to infant formula, bc of the expense. So they did improve on the nutrition of the infant by providing free formula, bc although it is inferior to breastmilk, its much better than the substitues some babies were getting.
post #6 of 52
Our wic office is VERY pro-breastfeeding! I'm currently working with their peer breastfeeding counselor to start a Bf support group. They hold BF classes and have posters with sassy, pro-bf sayings all over the office. I wish that more moms would choose to BF, and that the WIC offices could do more, but you've gotta understand that the state only gives so much funding to each office, so having more than one breastfeeding advocate is sometimes impossible. Our area really needs more than one, but the funding isn't there yet. The lady at the local office meets with women through out their pregnancies, then goes to the hospital to help with breastfeeding and then tries to keep in touch after she has had the baby.


I hate formula, and I wish that more moms would choose to breastfeed, but the wic offices are just trying to help low income famillies.
post #7 of 52
I got a free pump from my WIC office for being a bf'ing mama. The women there were really happy to learn I was "only" bf'ing.

OP ~ it is too bad that someone said that. Yuck.
post #8 of 52
George Kent has a very interesting article on the politics of WIC and formula promotion:

http://www.internationalbreastfeedin.../content/1/1/8

Quote:
Background

The United States' Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC) distributes about half the infant formula used in the United States at no cost to the families. This is a matter of concern because it is known that feeding with infant formula results in worse health outcomes for infants than breastfeeding.
Discussion

The evidence that is available indicates that the WIC program has the effect of promoting the use of infant formula, thus placing infants at higher risk. Moreover, the program violates the widely accepted principles that have been set out in the International Code of Marketing of Breast-milk Substitutes and in the human right to adequate food.
Summary

There is no good reason for an agency of government to distribute large quantities of free infant formula. It is recommended that the large-scale distribution of free infant formula by the WIC program should be phased out.
post #9 of 52
I too am a WIC BF Peer Counselor and EVERYWHERE in the office is proBFing stuff, we even give more stuff to BFing mom's. I can say that when I lived in California, the WIC office didn't support BFing as much but here it's a big deal and there is tons of support!! Maryland's wic program every BFing mom a bra every 3 mo, it's awesome IMHO.
post #10 of 52
my sister is the same way...she didn't comeout and say it but she is on WIC and loves the free formula. I told my mom that I think WIC shouldn't give out formula and she is like...well people NEED it. Now I am re-lactating and my DD get about half formula half BM...not really sure I don't have a gage on my breast but that is about it....anyways what I mean is that I use formula too but I buy mine and I still nurse. WIC just makes it too easy to even try to nurse. if people don't get free formula then I think they would nurse more...I mean half of the formula in america is from WIC wow that is nuts!!!
post #11 of 52
The WIC office we go to in FL is in a health dept that has pro bf posters all over the place. There are also IBCLCs on staff in the WIC office. They give out pumps to moms that need them and are always there to offer advice if moms are having a problem. To me the use of formula is more of a society problem then a WIC problem. Yes, WIC gives out formula, but it's better then some things I've seen given to babies. I know of a baby that was living with his grandma, she started him on whole milk at 9 months because it was cheaper. They easily qualified for WIC, but she could not get to the appointments so they went the cheap route. It would have been much healthier for that little boy to be on formula. That is really what WIC is meant for, to help fill in gaps in nutrition.
post #12 of 52
OKay, here's the math for our local WIC

A FFing mom receives: 10 cans of 12.9 powdered ozs. Each can makes 94 fluid ounces. NOw, most peds recommend solids be started when you reach 32 oz. of consumption (From my experience). That's 960 oz. a month. WIC provides 940 oz. a month. Thats a difference of approximately 20 ounces. So 1 extra can would get them through. NOw in the first couple months, they may not be using the entire amount, meaning they've got a few leftover cans, and at 4 months, they start doing solids and cereal to reduce formula consumption. So, in essence, WIC can cover nearly all of a child's monthly FF needs. In addition, a FF mom gets 6 months of milk, cheese, and eggs, etc. THe big difference in BFIng is an additional check that gave me 1(maybe 2 ) bottles of juice, 4 cans of tuna, 2 lbs. of carrots, 1 lb. of beans and a dz. eggs. This stops for FFIng moms at 6 months, and goes on for BFIng moms until 12 months. IF a mom switches from BFing to FFing, she gets 6 months of the semi-reduced checks after switching.

However, I have been given a starter SNS for free. I was never offered a hand pump, and they don't have enough hospital grades so I couldn';t borrow one when I was working with DS. NOw tell me, does the system seem a bit off to you? Because it does to me. That means that for a breastfeeding mother they provide (based on 2 bottles of juice, not 1) an additional 3813 calories per month during the first 6 months. Going based on the idea that a breastfeeding mother needs approximately an additional 500 calories a day, that is less than 8 days worth of nutritional needs, compared to 29 days worht of nutritional needs for an average FF baby PLUS some of the moms nutritional needs. Maybe when I go in next month going back to exclusive BFIng (We are trialing elemental formulas for DD"s sake) and they don't have to give me 9 cans at 36-38/can, they'll realize just how blessed they are to have moms like us and maybe someday will advocate to change this system. BUt yes, OP, I too agreee that there needs to be more cost in FF. If people are gonig to feed their kids substandard things like watered down formula or milk, then we need to deal with that, but not by making it free and easy. Why should the government foot the entire bill in order to prevent them from bad parenting (Not FF< but substandards like cow's milk)? I could make the argument that if parents had more free money they would be less stressed and less likely to abuse their children. SO should we give every parent X amount of money each month in order to keep them from abusing or should we expect that there should be some personal accountability for our choices and actions.
post #13 of 52
With my first daughter, I got free formula from WIC too. I just wasn't educated on breastfeeding really. Nobody in my family did it except for my aunt. My mom even said, "you're not going to breastfeed, are you?" They do give out enough formula. I never had to buy any. I tried to breastfeed in the first month but then suplimented w/formula..and then just phased breastfeeding out.
With my 2 1/2 month old daughter, I ONLY breastfeed and I'm still a member of WIC. They are really pro-breastfeeding. I got a free sling because I'm breastfeeding.. and I get free diapers once a month.
Another thing that WIC did the other day was an intro to solid foods class. I got a free baby food maker! Yah!!

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post #14 of 52
Yea our WIC office is very pro-breastfeeding as well. There are very strict income requirements. They do give more food to breastfeeding families, and I also got my breastpump from WIC for free too.
post #15 of 52
Maybe WIC offices care about breastfeeding, but not the USDA who runs the WIC program. Their primary interest is increasing sales for farmers. You don't increase many sales by having babies drink their mothers' milk.
post #16 of 52
This whole thread is so fascinating. Thanks to the OP for starting it, and for everyone who has shared their experiences...

It's an interesting question of what would happen if WIC phased out the free formula and kept the breastfeeding promotion... What are some of the possibilities? Well, I think it's obvious that breastfeeding rates would increase among WIC recipients (right now, WIC recipients have a significantly lower breastfeeding rate than other people in the same income bracket, which further convinces me that the net effect of WIC is formula promotion... Even if that's not the intention of the individuals running the program that interact with WIC recipients, kwim?) What would happen, though, to the families of babies who wouldn't want to breastfeed? How do we as a society deal with that and make sure those babies don't starve?

You know what I think a happy medium would be? Make sure breastfeeding is promoted and that baby-friendly initiatives are adhered to, by law, in every U.S. hospital. And then, if a person is in WIC, they get free lactation consultant visits for as long as they need them, until they get the hang of breastfeeding (in addition to all the benefits breastfeeding mothers get through WIC now, like breast pumps and extra food). If there is a physical condition (like breast surgery or diagnosed hypoplasia, for example) that precludes breastfeeding success, then WIC would cover the cost of formula for a mother who qualifies for WIC. How does that sound?
post #17 of 52
I have been on WIC in 3 differenet states (MD, PA, WV). The lower the sarounding income/employment rate the worse they are about pushing breastfeeding. MD is A++ IMO, My BF mom is an IBCLC that runs the breastfeeding center out of WIC and she is doing a great job. PA was ok no complaints but also no pushing of BFing. WV I was praised up and down to "still be nursing" they said no one ever BFs there. I can't imagine why when there are NO posters or any other info. The lady at the front desk when I first went to sign up asked "What formula is he on?"..."BREASTMILK!"..."Um how old is he!?".... dude he was 9 months
post #18 of 52
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Originally Posted by MamaBear1976 View Post
This whole thread is so fascinating. Thanks to the OP for starting it, and for everyone who has shared their experiences...

It's an interesting question of what would happen if WIC phased out the free formula and kept the breastfeeding promotion... What are some of the possibilities? Well, I think it's obvious that breastfeeding rates would increase among WIC recipients (right now, WIC recipients have a significantly lower breastfeeding rate than other people in the same income bracket, which further convinces me that the net effect of WIC is formula promotion... Even if that's not the intention of the individuals running the program that interact with WIC recipients, kwim?) What would happen, though, to the families of babies who wouldn't want to breastfeed? How do we as a society deal with that and make sure those babies don't starve?

You know what I think a happy medium would be? Make sure breastfeeding is promoted and that baby-friendly initiatives are adhered to, by law, in every U.S. hospital. And then, if a person is in WIC, they get free lactation consultant visits for as long as they need them, until they get the hang of breastfeeding (in addition to all the benefits breastfeeding mothers get through WIC now, like breast pumps and extra food). If there is a physical condition (like breast surgery or diagnosed hypoplasia, for example) that precludes breastfeeding success, then WIC would cover the cost of formula for a mother who qualifies for WIC. How does that sound?
I don't think physical disability should be the only requirement. What about emotional issues? or for example I am on a med that could cause extreme harm/death to a child I was BF (about 30%) but I've had some doctors say take the chance and others not.

Personally I think WIC should offer BF support, but I don't think it should take away formula from mothers who need it and would resort to unutritional means to feed their infant with out it.
post #19 of 52
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Originally Posted by sonrisaa29 View Post
I don't think physical disability should be the only requirement. What about emotional issues? or for example I am on a med that could cause extreme harm/death to a child I was BF (about 30%) but I've had some doctors say take the chance and others not.

Personally I think WIC should offer BF support, but I don't think it should take away formula from mothers who need it and would resort to unutritional means to feed their infant with out it.
Absolutely, mothers who NEED formula should get it if they qualify for WIC. I think the point I was trying to make is that not all the mothers who qualify for WIC and get formula NEED it. I think NEED should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, rather than treating formula as though it is an equivalent choice to breastfeeding. It isn't. I think if the government treats it as though it is, the public perception will be that it is. I think that's precisely why so many people believe formula is "just as good," and why they often end up making the formula choice. Too many people treat formula-feeding like it's an equivalent choice to breastfeeding, when it isn't.
post #20 of 52
What about maybe turn WIC into a sliding scale program? So only the poorest mothers get everything totally free, and mothers who make more get less on their checks? I'm really not a fan of all these "all or nothing" programs because it doesn't seem fair that someone who makes $1 more than the cutoff gets nothing and someone who makes almost as much (and may even net more than the person who is income disqualified) gets full WIC food benefits.
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