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Well, alrighty then. Glad that's settled.

Bellymama, thanks for your work and your time trying to break this down, but, as you can see, it's all been settled now and nothing you said really matters.
Cute. It's funny, I just came on here because I realized last night as I went to bed that I hadn't thanked her for her post. Obviously I didn't intend for my post to be the end-all be-all any more than anyone elses post did, but I did have something to add that I hadn't seen anyone else add. So I added it, since several people have said "I don't get why it's so hard to change the name". She asked us to rethink the matter, and I did. So I didn't agree, now I get to be slathered in sarcasm. -shrug- can't please everybody.

So, thank you. I appreciate it, I really do. Of course what you say does matter, and obviously you've changed several minds on here.
post #162 of 274
bump.
post #163 of 274
I'm bumping too! :
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bump
post #165 of 274
A thanks and a bump.
post #166 of 274
bump to the first page
post #167 of 274
I keep getting this in my e-mail and though I want to follow some other threads, not this one. How can I fix it?
post #168 of 274
you can unsubscibe in your user panel
post #169 of 274
I just went looking for this so I will bump it also...
post #170 of 274
bump-oh bellymama....where r u?
post #171 of 274
Thread Starter 
i was reading this essay by Barbara Kingsolver, "the spaces between", from her book High Tide in Tucson and this quote really captured what i feel about this topic, so much so that i felt that sharing it was important.

taken from the book "High Tide in Tucson" from the essay "the spaces between"...

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...lately we have been besieged with a new, bizarre form of racism that sets apart all things Native as objects of either worship or commerce, depending on your proclivities. it's scary enough to see Kokopelli on a keychain-god for sale, under 5 dollars- but i'm not much more comfortable with the other angle, the sweat lodge suburbanites who borrow the material trappings of native ceremonies as a spiritual quickie to offset the stresses of life. What began as anthropology escalated to fad, and it strikes me that assigning magical powers to a cultures every belief and by-product is simply another wat of setting those people apart. it's more benign than burning crosses on lawns, for sure, but ultimately not much more humane
(bolding mines)
post #172 of 274
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Originally Posted by bellymama View Post
i was reading this essay by Barbara Kingsolver, "the spaces between", from her book High Tide in Tucson and this quote really captured what i feel about this topic, so much so that i felt that sharing it was important.

taken from the book "High Tide in Tucson" from the essay "the spaces between"...


(bolding mines)
beautifully put (or quoted?) mama.
Thank you for all of your thoughtful comments and insight into such a multi-layered and complex issue.
post #173 of 274
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beautifully put (or quoted?) mama.
Thank you for all of your thoughtful comments and insight into such a multi-layered and complex issue.
she said it better than i ever could. the whole article is more on her concern over the fact that many people have a view of Natives as if they don't exsist now, like they are something you see in a museum exhibit, not actual groups of people who still exist and are trying their best to rebuild and salvage their cultures, languages and ceremonies after centuries of being victims of genocide, relocation and punishment for practicing their religions and speaking their language.
i just liked this quote because it really captures the fact that people are really uneducated (really by no fault of their own, its our school system's crappy way of teaching history and our governments way of relocating these peoples in wasteland areas out of the way so we can just forget about what happened to them and what they still are suffering through now) about what really happened to the Natives of this country, and what is STILL happening to them.
anyway, i don't really want to re-ignite a big argument, because in the end, we are all going to do what we feel is okay, so getting mad at eachother really is pointless, but i just really felt that that quote was worth sharing.
post #174 of 274
As a mama of Native American descent, THANK YOU for the time and effort you have spent on this!:
post #175 of 274
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Considering NA's are victims of genocide and forced assimilation and were virtually wiped off the face of the planet, I'm not surprised many of their languages are dying and they'd be using English words. And I don't see what's humorous about that, either. Actually, I find white people LAUGHING about it pretty offensive and disgusting.
I totally agree.
post #176 of 274
Thread Starter 
bumping for the new pregnant mamas.
post #177 of 274
Since this was bumped by OP for more moms to see I am going to play devils advocate.

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Originally Posted by bellymama View Post
i was reading this essay by Barbara Kingsolver, "the spaces between", from her book High Tide in Tucson and this quote really captured what i feel about this topic, so much so that i felt that sharing it was important.

taken from the book "High Tide in Tucson" from the essay "the spaces between"...
Native as objects of either worship or commerce, depending on your proclivities. it's scary enough to see Kokopelli on a keychain-god for sale, under 5 dollars
I believe this is a one sided view, I could go into a store and buy a key chain of a cross, or a pentacle, or a number of different religious items. Should I be offended that many people take my Lords name in vain, or misuse a key chain of my Savior. Yes it is insincere, but it doesn't mean the same to them. It lacks it religious/spiritual value to them.

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Originally Posted by bellymama View Post
another Dine woman messaged me in regards to this discussion and asked me to keep most of her correspondence private but she did say i could use one line of her email to me:

"call it what it is, not what you wish it was"

i found that to be such an excellent point i asked her i could share that one line and she consented. it really sums it all up to me.
Why is it not a blessing way? see next post.

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Originally Posted by Organicavocado View Post
Hmmm. We were calling the little ceremony I was going to have here in my home a blessingway. I don't remember EVER hearing the word before then, and didn't associate it with a particular set of activities and whatnot. It just seemed like a natural word to use to describe what would happen in it's shortest form. "Mother Blessing" didn't do that, "Baby Blessing" wouldn't do it as nobody was blessing anything physical. It sure as heck wasn't going to be a "baby shower" as I wanted something private and centered without gifts, just telling birth stories and baby stories and mothering stories... cooking, washing, preparing for the baby to be here and for the birth itself. Blessing, just as it sounds, my journey (way) into motherhood. Blessingjourney sounded pretty silly.
Why is this compound word exclusively Dine(h)? I haven't had a "BlessingWay" but it seems like a great alternative to a commercial baby shower. Celebrating and welcoming a new womans journey into motherhood.

It isn't a mother blessing, or a baby blessing (which if we get really technical is a term used by the LDS religion.) It is blessing the Journey or Way into motherhood.

If the Dine(h) use this term and part of the ceremony when a woman starts menstruating that is also part of becoming a mother. And perhaps i ought to give my daughter a celebration and a blessing when that time comes.

It has been said they have a word that is more meaningful/rich then the English translation could ever be, why shouldn't they use that.

But i do have a question to the OP and to the Dine(h) people, Is the ceremony conducted in English? yes is is relevant because if the use the Dine(h) term during the ceremony it gives less significant to the translation, how ever if they use English and the term blessingway during the ceremony it might make me more inclined to change my term.

Perhaps i would use Journey Blessing, or Blessing the way instead.

I hope this can across clear, as my thoughts are rambling and pg hormones raging. I am still undecided if this term should be moved off my commonly used terms list.
post #178 of 274
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i think i have addressed all of your issues with this in the very long thread. i no longer plan on debating this with anyone...so i don't want you to think i am ignoring you. i have made my point, and now it is of course up to the individual to decide what they feel comfortable doing. in no way do i intend to force anyone to do or not do anything, merely to reconsider...if after reconsidering, you still feel totally in the right using that term for a new age baby shower, than that is your right.
post #179 of 274
TFS!!! I'm calling mine a belly blessing party
post #180 of 274
I've noticed a lot of people using "mother blessing" these days.
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