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post #1 of 18
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I am so frustrated and angry today. Recently, my hospital has decided to stop providing VBACs. This was not provider driven. We are a small, rural community hospital and only do aroun 210 births a year. We are required to a have a perinatal agreement with a larger hospital with a NICU and other specialized services. This agreement includes all sorts of stipulations, like when we are required to consult a perinatologist and when we are required to transfer care. The powers that be in the bigger hospital don't want us to do VBACs because we don't have 24 hr in house anesthesia or OB. I have practiced here for 6 years and have attended around 20-25 VBACs, with over a 90% success rate. I am a family doc and don't do cesarean deliveries, so up until now, I would have all my VBAC clients meet my back up OB once in the third trimester. During labor, I would notify anesthesia and my OB back up that a VBAC client was laboring, and they would then keep themselves available, which in our hospital wouldn't necessarily mean sitting in house, but would mean staying ready. I stay in house during the entire labor. I've not had a problem, nor has my OB back up who has practiced here 30 years. Not every prior cesarean birth client I care for chooses to VBAC, but those that do, I've felt confident that we could assist them in making their own decision and then supporting them well. Since this policy is in effect, I'm not supposed to attend any VBACs at all. My OB back up has been making off the record exceptions for my repeat VBAC folks, but not for primary VBACs, and frankly, I'm worried that if this policy becomes more strictly enforced that I won't be able to do that even for my repeat clients. I'm supposed to tell them all they have to schedule a cesarean or deliver somewhere else.
Today, I had not 1, but 2 very excited women in my office in early pregnancy for new OB visits. Both were thrilled to be starting care with me because they had heard I'd help them VBAC. I had to tell both that I could no longer attend primary VBACs, even though they are both great candidates. After telling them where they could go to VBAC (hospitals an hour away or more, with less supportive labor environment, but no outright VBAC bans), one woman said to me "And what if I just continue my care with you and then refuse to have a c-section at the end?" I told her that was absolutely her right to make any decision she wanted to and we'd have to abide by it. To tell the truth, though, I think I'd probably lose my privileges pretty quickly if I had too many of those, and I'm not sure I wouldn't be required to turn the client in labor, even, since I don't do surgery to begin with and now have no back up to provide VBAC.

My question for both all the VBAC mamas and the birth attendants out there, is what can I do about this? Does anyone know if there is an active ICAN of IL chapter doing anything about VBAC bans? Do any birth attendants have experience with this type of situation? Where can I point these women so they get good counsel and information (besides myself)? Anyone else face a VBAC ban? I'm so upset about this I'm actually considering leaving the community over it (dh is not liking that one, we are settled and happy here) but I cannot participate in either forcing women to have a surgery they don't want, or guilting or persuading them into it by manipulation of facts. Any thoughts, ideas, or even just commiserations would be greatly appreciated!
post #2 of 18
I'm so sorry this is happening to your hospital!

I'm a VBAC mama who did face this when I was pregnant a little over three years ago. My community hospital had banned VBACs and it had been 12 years since my c-section so I was sort of out of the birth loop.

I was irate and asked for a referral to an OB who would/could attend a VBAC mom. After being told by the perinatalogist in the nearest city hospital that permitted VBACs that I could have a "trial of labor" only if I agreed to an epidural or epidural cath, an IV, internal fetal monitoring, and a host of other interventions I found a homebirth midwife instead.

I ending up having my daughter at home in our bedroom without complications and our next baby will be born at home as well!
post #3 of 18
UGH

That just sucks, I have no advice or suggestions, I just really feel terrible for all the VBAC moms. Your VBAC rate is awesome, this is just a tragedy.
post #4 of 18

Unfortunate

Where in Illinois are you located? I'm in the far northwest suburbs of Chicago and it's infuriating to me to see such bans spreading like wildfire among hospitals. Being a VBAC mom myself, it especially hits a strong cord. I am currently in the process of starting up an ICAN chapter for my area and hope to do some good. My plan is to try and help in this area. The ICAN website will list any additional IL chapters as well.

Sue
post #5 of 18
Contact your nearest chapter. There are also tips for advocates on the ican website.
IL

ICAN of Central Illinois
Bloomington

Contact: Karin McDowell-Kelly
eMail Address: icanofcentralillinois@gmail.com
Telephone:
Website:

Or Contact: Jeska Vannoy
Telephone: (309)212-4039


IL

ICAN of Chicago
Chicago

Contact: Julie Lambert
eMail Address: icanofchicago@yahoo.com
Telephone: 847-256-5756
Website: health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ICANofChicago/

Or Contact:
Telephone:


IL

ICAN of Kane County
Batavia

Contact: Becky Frielink
eMail Address: kanecountyican@yahoo.com
Telephone: (630)844-2088
Website:

Or Contact:
Telephone:


IL

ICAN of Rockford
Rockford

Contact: Jackie de Batista
eMail Address:
Telephone: (815) 239-1325
Website:

Or Contact:
Telephone: 916-363-2182
post #6 of 18
Doctor Jen, We love you and don't want you to stop doing vbacs!!!

I'm in st. louis.....I hope another chapter of ICAN can help! That's terrible.
post #7 of 18
GRRRR I hate to see this. I am a VBAC mom and we have a VBAC ban here as well. We are also small and rural with many of our OB's choosing to quit practicing because of insurance reasons. I have been told that our ban is because of the hospital insurance the Drs wont be covered....or something to that effect. I asked what would happen if I were to just show up at a 9/10 ready to go and was offered nothing other than "If you are willing to deal with the complications that could come of that then go ahead". So I promptly found a homebirth midwife.

I have no advice or help just total sympathy. I have read many places that those of us who are rural are seeing bans pop up more and more, mainly of litigation fears.
post #8 of 18
You sound like a one of a kind doc and it is really a shame. I am from the Chicago area originally and my sisters still live there. We would be willing to write letters and so forth. I'll keep an eye out for further info.

-Iris
post #9 of 18
Oh, doctorjen...

how frustrating, sad, infuriating...

to see these women being sent to the knife for no good reason has got to just make you CRAZY!

No helpful advice for you, most probably...in the end, I would likely (as a doula) suggest, if they feel that a hospital an hour away with less than friendly to natural birth protocols is not their ideal that they 1) find a homebirth midwife (which may be difficult with the political climate in IL, am I right?), or 2) walk in while pushing...but then they wouldn't get you, necessarily, just whomever is around. I dunno, it's a hard call.

I hate to see a natural birth advocate leave IL...but hey, if you wanna move to MI, I know OUR natural birth community would love to have you around...
post #10 of 18
What a tough position to be in! Arm yourself with facts and research, rally those women around you to approach the hospital.
I would still inform them that they have a right to refuse surgery and give them resources (like this forum! or ICAN) to inform themselves and find a qualified practitioner to monitor them at home and come in pushing the baby out.
post #11 of 18
That is so horrible. I'm so sorry. Is there anyway you can switch to a homebirth practice? Here in NH we can only attend VBA1C - they have to have an ultrasound and be less than 20 min from a capable hospital. It infuriates me that we have the 1 section restriction. I can't imagine not being able to do them at all.
post #12 of 18

50 Ways to Protest a VBAC Denial

I'm sorry to hear about your hospital's change in policy. Nationwide we have had 4 to 5 hospitals reverse their bans (I've personally reversed two in Maryland) so it is possible. The first one took 1 1/2 years but the second only took 4 months because they feared the same bad PR the first one rec'd.

Please see my article "50 Ways to Protest a VBAC Denial" for ideas.

http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/50ways_VBAC.asp

Obviously, activists in your area can skip the step of complaining to the state medical board about the physician involved. Other than that, I'd say go for it and do whatever the local community is up for. Post on your local moms boards to find affected moms or other moms who are willing to speak out even if it doesn't affect them.

I'd be glad to help in any way I can including helping you with media outreach. At our first reversal in Maryland, we started with a rally
that rec'd coverage from 5 TV stations, Baltimore public radio, Baltimore City Paper, and some various other radio spots. Plus, our efforts prompted a front page story in the NY TIMES which was the first national coverage of the VBAC ban issue and opened doors for later articles in the Washington Post, USA Today, and the Wall Street Journal. The day after the NY TIMES article hit, the chief OB at the banning hospital was on the Today Show debating the pres. of ICAN about the issue.

I'm not usually on this thread so email me directly at womancaredoula@comcast.net Occasionally I loose an email so if you don't hear back please re-send.

Barbara Stratton, VBACtivist
Maryland
post #13 of 18

ICAN of Chicago

Jen,
I'm the leader of ICAN of Chicago. My contact info is listed in an earlier email, but please feel free to call me -- 847-256-5756 or email, jael102@hotmail.com.

We have some long term goals and one of those is to document and work with hospitals who are banning VBAC. Where are you? To my knowledge, there are no hospitals in the Chicago area who are blatantly denying VBAC, but there are certainly plenty of care providers who are not supporting VBAC.

Please get in touch with me as I'd like to hear more about what's happening.
thanks,
Julie

Leader, ICAN of Chicago
Producer, Birth/BOLD in Chicago
post #14 of 18
Womancaredoula~ AWESOME article!
post #15 of 18
No advice just comiseration

It's so rediculous that VBACs are banned for that (anesthesia) reason. That's the reason at our local hospital. What about severe pre-e? Cord prolapse? Abruption? Non-cesarean related rupture?

Ugh. The whole issue makes me ill.

Please Doc Jen, stay strong and positive. It's probably a big pain, but we need docs like you.
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by womancaredoula View Post
Please see my article "50 Ways to Protest a VBAC Denial" for ideas.

http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/50ways_VBAC.asp

Barbara Stratton, VBACtivist
Maryland
This was very helpful... as I sit here reading this and wondering what we can actually do to help! I am grateful for women like you!
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by womancaredoula View Post
I'm sorry to hear about your hospital's change in policy. Nationwide we have had 4 to 5 hospitals reverse their bans (I've personally reversed two in Maryland) so it is possible. The first one took 1 1/2 years but the second only took 4 months because they feared the same bad PR the first one rec'd.

Please see my article "50 Ways to Protest a VBAC Denial" for ideas.

http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/50ways_VBAC.asp

Obviously, activists in your area can skip the step of complaining to the state medical board about the physician involved. Other than that, I'd say go for it and do whatever the local community is up for. Post on your local moms boards to find affected moms or other moms who are willing to speak out even if it doesn't affect them.

I'd be glad to help in any way I can including helping you with media outreach. At our first reversal in Maryland, we started with a rally
that rec'd coverage from 5 TV stations, Baltimore public radio, Baltimore City Paper, and some various other radio spots. Plus, our efforts prompted a front page story in the NY TIMES which was the first national coverage of the VBAC ban issue and opened doors for later articles in the Washington Post, USA Today, and the Wall Street Journal. The day after the NY TIMES article hit, the chief OB at the banning hospital was on the Today Show debating the pres. of ICAN about the issue.

I'm not usually on this thread so email me directly at womancaredoula@comcast.net Occasionally I loose an email so if you don't hear back please re-send.

Barbara Stratton, VBACtivist
Maryland
Sadly, the article by Katie Prown is no longer available.

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3. File a complaint with your state medical board against the physician. Again, if the hospital where he/she has privileges meets the ACOG guidelines, then use the standard of care argument. Also point out that your physician is violating your right to refuse treatment. For more information on these rights, see the essay created by Katie Prown based on her research of the illegality of VBAC bans, at www.birthpolicy.org/primer.html.
post #18 of 18

Dr. Jen, help us with a birth center in Memphis TN

Docjen,

I am so sorry you are going through this. I'm a doula, and many of us would love to see a birth center in our area.

We are only 4 - 5 hours west of Ina May Gaskin too.
If you are going to move, would you think of our community, who desperately needs a birth center, the inbetween choice of homebirth and hospital birth for many!

PM me if you want to be in touch with our local midwives.

I have no advice for your own community. I am sorry this happened!
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