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post #1 of 22
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I had the MOST ANNOYING conversation with a know-it-all coworker today (who has no kids, BTW).

My other coworker, a wonderful new daddy, was talking about how you don't understand until you're a parent how strong the desire is to take care of your baby's needs... when they made that sad little face it just melts your heart and you just want to drop everything and make it better (his baby is 2 months old).

Somehow the conversation veered into spoiled kids and discipline, and she started going on and on about how time-outs were great for 12-month-olds. Not like, you're out of control, so let's go settle down, but as in, you did something bad, so as a punishment you need to sit in the corner for a minute.

I (very calmly, I might add) stated that I personally wouldn't think of putting a pre-verbal baby in time-out as she would probably have no clue as to how sitting in a corner was connected to her behavior, and that I see any form of punishment to be ineffective in such a young baby, since it's developmentally inappropriate to expect her to control her impulses -- like they're really going to first of all, REMEMBER next time they're tempted to do something that they really want to do that it's against the rules, and then secondly, resist the impulse to do it.

She got all huffy and said, wide-eyed, MOST pediatricians and child pschologists will tell you that time-outs are the preferred method of discipline, starting at 12 months.

Also the other week she was criticising the new daddy for being over-protective and taking his baby back from others when she started fussing. When I said that that was the appropriate response to a newborn crying, she rolled her eyes and said "sometimes babies just make noises; it't not a big deal."

She annoys me.

No point to this except to share with others who agree with me.
So that I can vent rather than just smacking her.
post #2 of 22
Hate that! Good for you for keeping your cool.
post #3 of 22
*sigh* It's always the childless...

Sorry you had to hear that.
post #4 of 22
I'd just ask her to bring in her references. That'll probably shut her up. If she does bring in any books or reading, you can do the same. That should really get her to shut up.
post #5 of 22
She's annoying me too.
post #6 of 22
I'm just worried she will influence the new dad. Any idea on how he feels about what she is saying? Offer encouragement about following your insticts to meet your child's needs and watch out for advice/opinions that undermine your stated techniques?

It's not only that the coworker is offering advice, she is criticizing the dad's parenting instincts. Can you change the subject every time she joins the conversation?

yikes!

-dflanag2
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by blessed View Post
She's annoying me too.
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Dh has a couple at his work who are always making comments like that. They're a pain to work with anyway, they bicker all the time and make poor decisions, and this just drives him crazy. They aren't childless by choice, though, and I think that influences some of their criticism and I do feel sort of sad for them.
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by cotopaxi View Post
I (very calmly, I might add) stated that I personally wouldn't think of putting a pre-verbal baby in time-out as she would probably have no clue as to how sitting in a corner was connected to her behavior,
I had a friend who was all for punitive to's for her ds. Her reasoning was that he was too young to understand explanations. (but I guess he was old enough to make the connection as to how a TO related to his actions in the first place AND also understand why it was wrong, and what to do instead next time)

Bah on your co-worker. I'm sure your other co-worker feels the same way. lol
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by Deva33mommy View Post
I had a friend who was all for punitive to's for her ds. Her reasoning was that he was too young to understand explanations.
I have recently heard more than one parent use 'too young to understand explanations' as a rational for spanking toddlers, too : I guess when I think of spanking or time-outs for discipline I assume we're talking about older kids, but I have come to realize that many consider this par for the course by age two.

The kind of conversation you describe annoys me, too. And it's very tough to deal with because you're always faced with the "oh, you'll see (when your kid turns out to be a brat, I guess?)" attitude. I think it's awesome that you went on record with GD.
post #10 of 22
I huess I'd make it a point to tellt he new daddy that he seems to be doing really great, especially if he's around when she's criticising his parenting.

Maybe I'm jsut a with with a capital B, but I'd tel her in no uncertain terms to can it. That her opinion on childrearing is not accurate, informed, nor appreciated. That people parent the way they see fit and it is certainly not her place to judge.
post #11 of 22
Sounds like the new daddy coworker would agree with you at least, but that is annoying.

Before I had a child, I, too had a lot of big ideas on parenting. I worked in child care and did time outs with the kids, was wondering why the new toddler (12 months old) was still getting breastmilk in a bottle, and honestly felt like some of the kids were just out to be "bad" and "manipulative" rather than trying to fulfill some need. Oh, and I thought it was crazy that the family I babysat for let their kids stay up until like 9:30 or 10, and thought cosleeping was unsafe... Then here I am now (breastfeeding my 2 year old very regularly, still cosleeping, no time outs, and believing there are no "bad" kids only bad situations) Oh, not to mention, I had a lot of judgements before my daughter was born, like "why can't my BIL just make his daughter sit and eat a meal rather than running around in between bites???" well guess who has a 2 year old and now totally gets it (answer: me)
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by rmzbm View Post
*sigh* It's always the childless...

Sorry you had to hear that.
It's really not. You should know there are people with children who believe these preposterous ideas. And lots of people without who are kind, child-believing souls. Hearing something like this from someone who is childless AND obviously has no idea what they're talking about AND talks like an expert is irritating, to be sure, but it's hardly a childless-only phenomenon.
post #13 of 22
You handled the situation very well with her

I'm not sure how open she would be to it, but maybe sharing some documented evidence with her might help. Like many individuals, she's still of the opinion that it's acceptable behaviour for adults/parents to impose their will upon children as a means to control them. Which makes me wonder if she experienced this as a child herself.

Peace
post #14 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks, mamas! Knowing there are others who agree with me makes me feel better. I love my friends in the computer.

I'm not TOO worried about her influencing the new dad, b/c they've argued recently about other things so I don't think he sees her as an expert. Also, his natural instincts are just so good, and his personality is just really laid-back, caring, and sweet. And he seems to be doing some reading on his own -- he came up to me once and said "I read somewhere that if you ignore your baby when she cries, their brain gets a signal that they're not loved." Oh, and he also came up to me once and said, "Jenn, you won't believe what one of my (childless) friends said to me... when I told him I was tired because the baby cries every couple of hours at night, he said 'oh, is it too loud to sleep through?'" just incredulous that anyone would ignore their baby crying. So, he's already filtering out some bad advice.

I do tell him what a good job they're doing, and reassure him when he worries about setting up "bad habits." I think he understands and basically agrees... actually maybe this is how we got on the topic of time-outs. He was worrying about whether responding to crying at a certain age was a pathway to later having tantrums, and I told him that no, it's completely different. When a young baby cries, it's to communicate a basic need (and needing to be held IS a basic need, not a want), in the only way they have available to them. They can't ask nicely, or walk over to you to get a hug, so what else are they supposed to do? Sit and suffer quietly? Is that what you want them to learn? Totally different than giving in to a three-year-old who is smacking you and screaming for candy. He was like "oh, yeah; thanks; that totally makes sense."

I don't feel like bothering to bring up evidence with miss smarty-pants... not worth it. She likes to argue for its own sake I think, and she likes to be right.
post #15 of 22
HEY! I don't know about you guys but *I* was a perfect mom......BEFORE I had kids :
laoxinat
post #16 of 22
Yeah. I had all the answers before I became a mother also
post #17 of 22
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HEY! I don't know about you guys but *I* was a perfect mom......BEFORE I had kids :
laoxinat
lol me too!
post #18 of 22
I have had a conversation with a coworker in her 50's who married late and never had kids and she actually called a 3 yo step-grandchild of hers a "total bitch." I was so confused by it that it wasn't until she walked away and I confirmed with another coworker that she was referring to the 3 yo. I was in shock.
post #19 of 22
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HEY! I don't know about you guys but *I* was a perfect mom......BEFORE I had kids :
laoxinat
So true for me, too!! I had many more opinions and judgments before I became a mother...what a lovely and humbling experience this has been!
post #20 of 22
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HEY! I don't know about you guys but *I* was a perfect mom......BEFORE I had kids :
lol, okay, me too... i'll give you that!
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