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post #21 of 37
11/1/07 at 10:01pm
They got my dad to get the new Pertusis Tetanus when it first came out. I said Dad haven't you had Pertusis and he said no. What do you mean no? You probably did as a young child. He knows I did... He's getting elderly and too easily manipulated.

My dh got a tetanus w his last physical appt. I was I was under the impression he would never get vax again that he'd had enough for his lifetime while in the military -- that is what he said.

Well they won't be getting me.

I wonder what the answer would be if I said no and they pulled the scarmongering "protect your baby" and I said -- I had pertusis, just like I had chicken pox, I certainly do not need a vaccine against either. They probably would not understand that I was saying I'm probably immune or at least able to fight P on my own quite well IMEstimation.
post #22 of 37
11/1/07 at 11:15pm
Sounds sensible to me. I ( actually we) had all titers checked this summer and only had to get a tetanus shot.
post #23 of 37
11/1/07 at 11:22pm
Pertussis immunity can't really be checked, though. Theres no "correlate of protection" for that one.

Plus, there's no real evidence that the vaccine prevents infection or reduces transmission significantly.
post #24 of 37
11/1/07 at 11:29pm
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Originally Posted by mamakay View Post
Pertussis immunity can't really be checked, though. Theres no "correlate of protection" for that one.

Plus, there's no real evidence that the vaccine prevents infection or reduces transmission significantly.
There's just "fake" evidence?
post #25 of 37
11/1/07 at 11:32pm
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Originally Posted by huggerwocky View Post
There's just "fake" evidence?
There's very, very "weak evidence" that the vaccine might prevent transmission. According to "hard science" (the actual biology) and disease epidemiology, it doesn't and can't.

ETA:
The evidence that the pertussis vaccine prevents transmission is actually even weaker than the evidence that homeopathy is effective.
post #26 of 37
11/1/07 at 11:34pm
I was literally chased around the exam room by my Dr with a needle after I refused the tetnus booster, as an adult.

yep they push it.
post #27 of 37
11/2/07 at 12:38am
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Originally Posted by Arduinna View Post
I was literally chased around the exam room by my Dr with a needle after I refused the tetnus booster, as an adult.

yep they push it.
unbelievable!
post #28 of 37
11/2/07 at 1:16am
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Originally Posted by Arduinna View Post
I was literally chased around the exam room by my Dr with a needle after I refused the tetnus booster, as an adult.

yep they push it.
That's almost assault, and definitely harassment. How awful! I would have complained all the way up as high as I could get.
post #29 of 37
11/2/07 at 1:39am
Well I was somewhere between 18-20 at the time, it was so long ago I can't remember exactly. I was so traumatized ( I had a huge fear of needles most of my life) that I was just grateful to get out of there without getting the shot that I just never went back.

This was after he had said at the beginning of the visit that it was time for a booster and I refused it and then he came back with the nurse and the shot thinking he could make me apparently. :
post #30 of 37
11/2/07 at 4:01am

are these "good" reasons to have gotten the vaxes?

Not 24 hrs after giving birth to DS, the nurse came in, waving a rubella shot at me. She said they had run a titer test and I wasn't immune to it, so they "highly recommended" it, esp if I wanted to get preg again. This was PRE-vax-education, so I hastily complied. Any reasons why I shouldn't have? (I do regret it in terms of what it may have done to my little nursling; I've read you should avoid getting any vaxes so soon after giving birth and while nursing.)

Also, before I got preg, I volunteered as a wildlife rehabilitator, and they recommended a tetanus booster, so I got it. Ditto...any reason why I shouldn't have?

I'm asking in all seriousness, here. From the modest amount of vax/dx research I've done, I feel like I made the right decision, but I'm looking for more vax-learned mdc'ers to tell me otherwise...

Eagerly anticipating any research/responses! Thanks
post #31 of 37
11/2/07 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by huggerwocky View Post
Sounds sensible to me. I ( actually we) had all titers checked this summer and only had to get a tetanus shot.
Titres are not reliable. You can show no immunity and not come down with the infection in an epidemic. Or show full immunity and get sicker than a dog.

And with pertussis, well, it doesn't do any good anyway because you can still be a carrier and pass the bacteria on. So you can not protect anyone by getting vaccinated yourself.


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Originally Posted by JustSo View Post
Not 24 hrs after giving birth to DS, the nurse came in, waving a rubella shot at me. She said they had run a titer test and I wasn't immune to it, so they "highly recommended" it, esp if I wanted to get preg again. This was PRE-vax-education, so I hastily complied. Any reasons why I shouldn't have?
Well, you can pass the disease on to your child via breast milk or otherwise. And to pass it on to such a young child is not a super idea. Besides the side-effects that go along with any vaccine.

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Also, before I got preg, I volunteered as a wildlife rehabilitator, and they recommended a tetanus booster, so I got it. Ditto...any reason why I shouldn't have?
Just not necessary at all. Was it supposed to prevent rabies?
post #32 of 37
11/2/07 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by Gitti View Post
(re: rubella)
Well, you can pass the disease on to your child via breast milk or otherwise. And to pass it on to such a young child is not a super idea. Besides the side-effects that go along with any vaccine.

(re: tetanus bc working with wildlife)
Just not necessary at all. Was it supposed to prevent rabies?
I get ya. If I were to rationalize it, maybe they were thinking of rusty cages, removing rusted fish/hooks/barbed wire/whatever from some hapless animal and it possibly embedding itself into our skin...? It's a far reach, though.
post #33 of 37
11/2/07 at 4:06pm
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Originally Posted by Gitti View Post
Titres are not reliable. You can show no immunity and not come down with the infection in an epidemic. Or show full immunity and get sicker than a dog.

And with pertussis, well, it doesn't do any good anyway because you can still be a carrier and pass the bacteria on. So you can not protect anyone by getting vaccinated yourself.
I agree simple titers are not 100 % reliable, but they're not useless either. In doubt, one can just get boosters on a regular basis. This ad only did wrong as it only focuses on whooping cough.
post #34 of 37
11/2/07 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by huggerwocky View Post
I agree simple titers are not 100 % reliable, but they're not useless either.
They are either reliable or useless.

Why would I want to rely on something and get a vaccine when it is not correct? (not that I would get a vax anyway.)
post #35 of 37
11/2/07 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by Arduinna View Post
I was literally chased around the exam room by my Dr with a needle after I refused the tetnus booster, as an adult.

yep they push it.
: That is horrible! Definitely, definitely harrassment and assault!
post #36 of 37
11/2/07 at 5:45pm
you know, this add is actually what prompted my vaccination research! i didn't get the pertussis vaccine as a child, as i had a SEVER reaction to the first one, and was in the hospital for a long time because of it. well i didn't want to take the chance in my boys having a bad reaction as well, but my pedi assured me that the shots are much safer now than they were 26 yrs ago so i went ahead and let them give him the shots. then i saw that add on tv, and thought maybe since the vaccines are so much improved, maybe i should get one too to protect the new baby. i called the health dept, and asked about getting the shot, and explained my history. the woman said they could not reccomend that i get it because of the chances of another sever reaction, despite what the pedi had told me. so i started researching for myself and boy was i ever mad i listened to my pedi with my first born. we have decided to stop ALL vaxes until i get the chance to look everything over and decided what is best for my two boys. my pedi's office has called three times trying to get me to come in for the six month checkup where they give out six shots... i told them i would go, but no shots so they told me not to bother!
post #37 of 37
11/2/07 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by rachaelmomma View Post
my pedi's office has called three times trying to get me to come in for the six month checkup where they give out six shots... i told them i would go, but no shots so they told me not to bother!
Well, at least they were honest with you over the phone. And I would take that as a sign they don't want you as a client. Request your children's records and be done with them. You will be so much better off finding someone who can accept parents being parents.

I'm so glad you are doing research and have come to realize that not all doctors are created equal (or pedi vs health dept).
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