Originally Posted by perspective
I have been reading this board for a while, and have been surprised by the reasoning for why many here became anti circ. Many seem to be against it because they found out that it may cause harm. For example parents who circ their first son find out that circing could be harmful, so they decide to not to do it to their second. But does that mean they would circ their future boys if it did not cause harm? I ask this because personally I believe above all else the most important point here is that boys are having their basic human rights taken away from them. Are there people here who would not be anti circumcision if the process did not cause any physical harm?
I think circ is so pervasive in our society that people just assume. They assume that it is necessary, they assume that it doesn't hurt (or not much), that it would need to be done anyway, later, when it would "hurt more," etc.
Also - since we don't talk about sex or sexual parts, I think quite a few people have no idea what's involved in a circumcision. If they aren't present when it's done, either -- well, then even afterwards how would they know how much was done? KWIM? If all you've ever seen is a circ'd penis (my experience) then how would you know what's missing, when society says it's fine and doesn't hurt?
We have dd's, no sons. We decided we wouldn't circumcise before our first dd - but not because of "hurt" or "his decision" -- basically because if the foreskin was something that needed to be removed, it wouldn't be there in the first place. I had no idea at the time that we made that decision, how harmful circs could be. I thought circ'd boys were really not so different from a non-circ'd boy - I didn't really know what was involved in the circumcision at all. I did know it hurt - but didn't know much more than that (hurts like stubbing your toe? Hurts like a huge part of your body is removed without anaesthetic?)
I guess what I'm saying is that the HARM button is the slap in the face which some people need .... they think that they're helping their child, they think it's a "normal" process and they are doing this out of love and concern for their child. To learn that not only is it not helping their child, but that the harm is both short and long-term --- I think that carries some weight.
Frankly while I too believe that children are their own person, and don't feel "ownership" of my child - I don't know that all/much of our society takes that approach. There are a lot of people who are still trying to control their adult children, and who think that parents are weak if they aren't controlling their toddlers/infants too .... While I agree with the "His penis, his choice" approach, I just don't think that can always fly as well with those people who believe that they ARE TOO the boss of the child, KWIM?