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post #41 of 160
I'd FF w/ a nice tight top tether. I'd rather not use the seat past the limits.

I'd probably do this if the child were 35 lbs at 12 months too. Just because, while Jennifer is right - the seat *will* hold, however the average parent can't (doesn't know how to) brace and rfing tether on their own, and as a tech, I couldn't help a parent to go beyond the listed weights.

Now, if it were my own chunky monkey? I'd use the seat past the weight limit, braced & tethered. Lord knows, I used to ds1's that way - back in the day when seats only had a 20 lb max RF limit. Ugh.
post #42 of 160
Some kids will outgrow certain rfing convertible seats by height before a year as well, ut in that case get a bigger seat! My ds outgrew his Triumph by height at 9 months! We bought him a Marathon.

Weight is a bigger issue. But it is true that most kids slow WAY down weight wise the second half of their firs year and on out. Ds was 25 lbs at 6 months, 27 1/2 at a year, and at nearly 3 is just now 33 lbs.
post #43 of 160
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Originally Posted by Valian View Post
Your son might do well in a Safty 1st Biltmore or the Apex (same seat, different names), if you're looking for a budget way to harness up to 65lbs and avoid a booster. You just need headrests of high seat backs in your car. This seat has been on sale for $89-99 at Albeebaby.com
Unfortunately, my car does not have high seat backs.

I never heard of the Biltmore, and I looked into the Apex, but I think there was something about it that wouldn't work?? Can't remember...

The Chase has a harness height of 17.8", which seems to be pretty good! The Radian is listed at 18", so I figure for .2 of an inch, I didn't do too badly!
post #44 of 160
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Originally Posted by lifescholar View Post
Unfortunately, my car does not have high seat backs.

I never heard of the Biltmore, and I looked into the Apex, but I think there was something about it that wouldn't work?? Can't remember...

The Chase has a harness height of 17.8", which seems to be pretty good! The Radian is listed at 18", so I figure for .2 of an inch, I didn't do too badly!
Assuming you have a VERY VERY tall, skinny kid, that's true. But most kids will be able to use the Radian for a lot longer because it goes to 65 lbs. instead of 40. Most kids will be over 40 lbs. way before they have an 18" torso. My long-torsoed, average weight almost 5 yr. old has a 16-17" torso and weighs ~44 lbs. He's too big for the Chase and has been since he passed 40 lbs. but the Radian would last him until around 6.
post #45 of 160
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Originally Posted by lifescholar View Post
Unfortunately, my car does not have high seat backs.

I never heard of the Biltmore, and I looked into the Apex, but I think there was something about it that wouldn't work?? Can't remember...

The Chase has a harness height of 17.8", which seems to be pretty good! The Radian is listed at 18", so I figure for .2 of an inch, I didn't do too badly!
The Biltmore and the Apex are identical seats, just with 2 different names/brands. They are both made by the same company.

You said your DS was right at 40lbs, right? The Chase only harnesses to 40lbs
post #46 of 160
Thanks again for all those who've been helping. So, the sum up is even though he's only 71/2 months old, as soon as he's over the weight limit of the seat, (He's in a Sunshine Kids Radian) he should be turned forward facing? The Sunshine Kids is only 30lbs in Canada.
post #47 of 160
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Originally Posted by Twinklefae View Post
Thanks again for all those who've been helping. So, the sum up is even though he's only 71/2 months old, as soon as he's over the weight limit of the seat, (He's in a Sunshine Kids Radian) he should be turned forward facing? The Sunshine Kids is only 30lbs in Canada.
for me it would be getting a new one if he is over the weight limit anytime soon.
post #48 of 160
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Originally Posted by Twinklefae View Post
Thanks again for all those who've been helping. So, the sum up is even though he's only 71/2 months old, as soon as he's over the weight limit of the seat, (He's in a Sunshine Kids Radian) he should be turned forward facing? The Sunshine Kids is only 30lbs in Canada.
Honestly, in that case I would keep him RF- no question. The radian is rated to 35lbs in the US and it's an IDENTICAL seat.

-Angela
post #49 of 160
Thanks! That's what I was confused about. So RF until 35 lbs. And hopefully a miracle will happen and he'll SLOW DOWN with the growing already. (I doubt it, but a little wishing won't hurt.) He was born 11lbs 2oz, and has been growing like a weed ever since. :

Car seats confuse the heck out of me. I read the other thread about the Radian, so I'm a little less confused now. Look out when my own kid gets big enough to get out of the baby bucket!
post #50 of 160
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I would never turn a child at a year. Not for a single trip. FAR too dangerous.

Dd is 3yrs old and still RF. Though will be turning ff soon Close to outgrowing her boulevard rf by weight AND height.

-Angela
Agreed. CHildren under two are four times more likely to be injured in a crash.


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Honestly, in that case I would keep him RF- no question. The radian is rated to 35lbs in the US and it's an IDENTICAL seat.

-Angela
The 35 lb Radian is not yet available. I would never suggest using an existing seat to limits not on that seat without written approval from the manufacturer of that seat.

My eldest weighed 30 lbs on his first birthday, but he did significantly slow down in his second year.
post #51 of 160
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The 35 lb Radian is not yet available. I would never suggest using an existing seat to limits not on that seat without written approval from the manufacturer of that seat.
Oops! I thought the radian was 35lbs. A search shows that it's 33lbs. I would use it to 33lbs then. Instead of the Canadian limit of 30lbs.

-Angela
post #52 of 160
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Originally Posted by Twinklefae View Post
Thanks again for all those who've been helping. So, the sum up is even though he's only 71/2 months old, as soon as he's over the weight limit of the seat, (He's in a Sunshine Kids Radian) he should be turned forward facing? The Sunshine Kids is only 30lbs in Canada.
AFAIK, every single seat on the market in Canada only RFs to 30lbs. Marathons, Radians, Regal Rides (Canadian name for the Scenera)... they are all rated to RF to only 30lbs in Canada.

I am so torn on this issue too. People here are recommending that others use a seat past its weight limits RF. I *know* that they are exactly the same seat. But what if? I don't know. It makes me nervous, so I will turn my DS when he hits 30 pounds in his Marathon.
post #53 of 160
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Originally Posted by lemurmommies View Post
AFAIK, every single seat on the market in Canada only RFs to 30lbs. Marathons, Radians, Regal Rides (Canadian name for the Scenera)... they are all rated to RF to only 30lbs in Canada.

I am so torn on this issue too. People here are recommending that others use a seat past its weight limits RF. I *know* that they are exactly the same seat. But what if? I don't know. It makes me nervous, so I will turn my DS when he hits 30 pounds in his Marathon.
Since they are the same seats and are tested to higher weights- I would feel 100% comfortable using them. Just like I would use a marathon or radian in Canada up to 65lbs if needed instead of stopping at 48lbs. The weight limits are a product of the law, not the safety of the seats.

And in this case- when we're talking about keeping an INFANT rf- I think this is incredibly important.

Just my comfort level.

-Angela
post #54 of 160
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
And in this case- when we're talking about keeping an INFANT rf- I think this is incredibly important.

Just my comfort level.

-Angela
Oh, I know. And I definitely understand. I have a 48lbs Marathon that I purchased this February. But when the time comes, I won't keep him in it past those 48lbs, since there are 65lbs seats on the market in Canada now. If there weren't, I'd have to do some serious thinking.

I know kids under 2, at LEAST, should be RF. But my son is nearing 26lbs at 11 months. And he may well slow down; however, I don't think that there is any way in heck that he will last to 2 years RFing in his Marathon. Not if I don't bend the rules.

Gah! Why are the Canadian weights different! It's so maddening!
post #55 of 160
If I was in the situation, I would probably keep him rf too, but there is a giant fine and demerit points if you are caught using your seat incorrectly or using an American seat, you will get a huge fine and demerit points.
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post #57 of 160
Thepeach80

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There have been several children here at MDC who have been too big to rf by 1 or right at 12 mos. If my child were 1 and that big, I supposed I'd ff them in the best seat I could find and make sure their tether was nice and tight! If they were younger than 1, I don't know. Officially I have to say they should be ffing, but unofficially I'm very torn. We know the straps will hold past the 35# limit (to 40# at least in most seats) so the real problem is the overrotation. I guess I'd put them in a seat that has a rfing tether and brace the seat till at least 12 mos.
Hi, I am the parent in question - of this highjacked thread.

I have the radian 65 - rated to 48lbs in Canada. 30 lbs RFing.
We have it using latch at the bottom and tethered to the bottom of the driver's side seat from the back of the seat itself.

I also have a FFing evenflo seat for the 2 year old I babysit - he is 32 lbs and the straps only need slight adjustment for my kid. They have almost the same torso size, by kid just has short stubby legs.

DS is 30lbs at 7.5 months old - and gaining.

So, what I want to know is, what is the danger of RFing past the weight limit and what is the danger of FFing too soon?

I would like to know the risks so that I can make a better informed decision. I don't exactly understand the lingo. Honestly, I didn't install the seats myself, DH did so.
post #58 of 160
Carseats are rated to a certain weight b/c they have to perform to certain standards and sometimes tested at a higher weight it fails so they have to have that weight. W/ a rfing seat, they test rotation towards the front of the car, it can't be more than 70% IIRC. I would have no hesitation at all to use a Canadian Radian to 33#, wouldn't even think about it. I have a Radian that was used till 33# myself (in the US though). Using a rfing seat longer than allowed is a mystery I think as to what it would do. Personally w/ a rfing tether you are eliminating the overrotation backwards (the cocooning) so that is a bonus and b/c of the tall seat it wouldn't be a problem to get it up against the front seat to cut down on the overrotation towards the front. Like I mentioned we KNOW he straps hold till at least 65# so it's not like baby is going to fly out of the seat etc. Officially I have to tell you to ff baby once they hit the weight limit (which I would consider 33# for your seat) and hopefully it takes him a while to hit that, but I'm not sure I could ff a child under 1 now knowing what I know. Hugs!

Children's bones don't START to harden till 12 mos old, so ffing before at least then greatly increases their risk of internal decapitation (snapped neck). Most of use here advocate rfing till at least 2, but we also realize that is not an option for some moms w/ large kids. The best thing after that is to make sure they are in a seat appropriate for them w/ a nice tight tether. The Radian is known for it's low forward movement #s so you've at least got that on your side w/ this seat.
post #59 of 160
Thanks for the info. I will leave the seat RFing until 33 at least. I wish I had bought the cosco seat for the kid I babysit. The evenflo doesn't rear face... and it's our second car seat for grandparent's cars... and maybe the babysitter if I end up going back to work. Maybe if I find the box and stuff I can take it back.

Thanks to everyone!
post #60 of 160
The danger in rear facing past the weight limit of the seat is that in a crash the child could ramp out of the seat shell and/or over rotate too far towards the floor.

Bracing the seat will prevent the overrotation problem. Having a minimum of one inch of seat shell above the child's head, along with the harness at or below the shoulders, will prevent the ramping out of the seat.
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