Do you ever read siggies and wonder... - Page 5

[Organicavocado]

Originally Posted by jessjgh1

Ooops, I totally read it as " i wonder whether I am MDC or not"... I'm so sorry! I totally missed the "on".

Jessica

OH lmao okay. I kept reading it like, "Wait, what?" thinking I had pregnancy brain and just. wasnt. getting it.

[LisainCalifornia]

oh 'pishaw!
I was anticirc while some of you ladies were still in your training bras! I don't need a stinking smilie to advertise that. I agree that I don't need a laundry list of smilies to pass some kind of MDC test.

[smeisnotapirate]

Antonin,

Don't discount us Jewish/Muslim mommas. I know a greater percent of Christians who circ IRL than my Jewish friends. I'm Jewish and will not circ, and am loud and proud about it - despite not having it in my sig.

[fruitful womb]

Originally Posted by smeisnotapirate

Antonin,

Don't discount us Jewish/Muslim mommas. I know a greater percent of Christians who circ IRL than my Jewish friends. I'm Jewish and will not circ, and am loud and proud about it - despite not having it in my sig.

That reminds me, I wondered about the siggies with " Save the Carrots" Something like that anyways. I see them all the time in the Jewish signature. I've wondered if it was a Jewish anti-circ message. Call me crazy but its what I think of every time I see it.

[LisainCalifornia]

Originally Posted by fruitful womb

That reminds me, I wondered about the siggies with " Save the Carrots" Something like that anyways. I see them all the time in the Jewish signature. I've wondered if it was a Jewish anti-circ message. Call me crazy but its what I think of every time I see it.

That is crazy--I think sometimes a carrot is just a carrot. It is not us against them, and when you get into that kind mentality that is when religious prejudices start.

[fruitful womb]

Originally Posted by LisainCalifornia

That is crazy--I think sometimes a carrot is just a carrot. It is not us against them, and when you get into that kind mentality that is when religious prejudices start.

I'm speechless...

Why in the world would I be prejudice against someone who chooses not to circ? I know a lot of Jewish Parents who don't circ.

When you get into that kind mentality that is when religious prejudices start.

Wondering about a religion is how prejudices starts????:

[anubis]

I've been thinking of putting the no-circ smilie in my sig ever since I first learned that RIC exists in the US. I would like to, but then I start thinking and then I wuss out for a couple of reasons.

1. I'm not in the US, and the issue isn't something I have had/will have to personally face. In conversations with pro-circ Americans I've been told I shouldn't have an opinion on something I don't have to deal with myself. I disagree (not to mention that I find it hilariously hypocritical, what with the US playing world police and "solving" other countries' problems all the time), but I don't want to get into that argument again.

2. I don't have children. I've been told in circ debates that I have too much interest in kids' genitals when I don't even have any of my own. Basically implying that I'm a complete perv. Again, I find that argument ridiculous as I see RIC as a human rights issue, but I don't want to get into that argument either.

I do have the pink/blue ribbon in my sig, but I think it's more well known in the pg/infant loss sense (which is the reason I first put it there). I'm still kind of on the fence about putting the no-circ guy there.

[Organicavocado]

Originally Posted by LisainCalifornia

oh 'pishaw!
I was anticirc while some of you ladies were still in your training bras! I don't need a stinking smilie to advertise that. I agree that I don't need a laundry list of smilies to pass some kind of MDC test.

Well now, since this isn't the first time this has been said, whats saying having a sig like mine (well, like it is this very second, it changes all the time) was put there to "try to fit in"? I came to MDC because I couldn't find anywhere else that thought the way I do, I didn't come here and immediately start bending over backwards to fit into something I don't, or didn't, believe in. IDK about everyone else with any little icon in their sig, but mine has ranged anywhere from the seizuriffic sig it is now to nothing at all, just depending on my mood. I'll toss up anti circ, or pro breastfeeding slogans now and then if I'm being affected by either in my life and feel like reaching out a little, or just be silly, etc etc. It doesn't change to please another soul other than mine.

So I guess not only do some people wonder about the circ issue, but they also wonder about people's justifications for what they put in their sig. I guess everybody is wondering about everything.

[orangebird]

Originally Posted by AntoninBeGonin

Do you ever read a post and notice that someone has a boy, then read their siggy and notice that it says nothing about being anti-circ, and then just wonder how they feel about it? I do that all the time. I'm talking only about members who I'm confident are not Jewish or Muslim, like there are clues in the post such as they celebrate Christmas or go to Church, etc.

Anyone else do that, then just feel sort of "funny" when there is no anti-circ message in the siggy?

I think you are just looking to feel bad.

I have three sons and am 100% anti circ. One Hundred Percent. Except for the very rare medical indication.

I have noting in my siggy.

Don't worry so much.

[ChristyM26]

Originally Posted by fruitful womb

: what else does it stand for?

That blue and pink ribbon is typically used for pregnancy/infant loss. I don't think that a lot of people recognize it as genital integrity.

[njeb]

No one has mentioned this reason yet, so I thought I would.

I had the same experience as the OP; wondering why a poster had homebirth, bf, cloth diaper/EC icons but no anti-circ. siggie. Then I re-read the siggie--she has all girls!

[fruitful womb]

Originally Posted by anubis

I've been thinking of putting the no-circ smilie in my sig ever since I first learned that RIC exists in the US. I would like to, but then I start thinking and then I wuss out for a couple of reasons.

1. I'm not in the US, and the issue isn't something I have had/will have to personally face. In conversations with pro-circ Americans I've been told I shouldn't have an opinion on something I don't have to deal with myself. I disagree (not to mention that I find it hilariously hypocritical, what with the US playing world police and "solving" other countries' problems all the time), but I don't want to get into that argument again.

2. I don't have children. I've been told in circ debates that I have too much interest in kids' genitals when I don't even have any of my own. Basically implying that I'm a complete perv. Again, I find that argument ridiculous as I see RIC as a human rights issue, but I don't want to get into that argument either.

I do have the pink/blue ribbon in my sig, but I think it's more well known in the pg/infant loss sense (which is the reason I first put it there). I'm still kind of on the fence about putting the no-circ guy there.

I'm glad you brought this up. I haven't been able to collect my thoughts on this properly so I'm just going to lay it out there, sorry if I offend anyone. USA -policing and trying to solve other countries problems... Thats a GREAT point you've made. I wish other countries would police us here in the USA re: RIC. I wish other countries would at least voice their opinion about Americans being so STOOOPID (generally speaking) for allowing such an atrocity to continue! Other countries have already proven they're academically advanced compared to the smartest American. Yup, you read that right, an average non-American (from a developed country) is smarter than the smartest American. (Info from a Concluded Study comparing the children's performance in schools.) Just Google: "Stupid in America"

I would appreciate it if those countries would help us out!!! Most Americans are shocked when they learn that other countries don't do this to their newborns. As the pro-circ's believe, "They should follow the American way and circ their men and newborns!"

• 1991 Edgar J. Schoen tries and fails to convince European countries to institute mass circumcision.
• 1997 Edgar J. Schoen tries and fails once again to convince European countries to institute mass circumcision.

• 1998 Howard Stang, inventor of an infant circumcision restraint fails to mention this conflict of interest in his article promoting infant circumcision.

If other countries outcried loud enough for the American citizens to notice, many of us would see just how much of a scam RIC really is. In the past, our media and the medical establishment cover-up this important conflict they have with other countries so it doesn't influence their SALE! Your example would save millions of boys. Weather or not you have children or even boys, if its not of your culture to practice this BARBARIC ritual on newborns, let us know! Its okay to be passionate about it too. This kind of outcry would hopefully shake us up a bit! How would the Americans feel about other Countries policing us?

[AstridS]

Originally Posted by fruitful womb

I'm glad you brought this up. I haven't been able to collect my thoughts on this properly so I'm just going to lay it out there, sorry if I offend anyone. USA -policing and trying to solve other countries problems... Thats a GREAT point you've made. I wish other countries would police us here in the USA re: RIC. I wish other countries would at least voice their opinion about Americans being so STOOOPID (generally speaking) for allowing such an atrocity to continue! Other countries have already proven they're academically advanced compared to the smartest American. Yup, you read that right, an average non-American (from a developed country) is smarter than the smartest American. (Info from a Concluded Study comparing the children's performance in schools.) Just Google: "Stupid in America"

I would appreciate it if those countries would help us out!!! Most Americans are shocked when they learn that other countries don't do this to their newborns. As the pro-circ's believe, "They should follow the American way and circ their men and newborns!"

• 1991 Edgar J. Schoen tries and fails to convince European countries to institute mass circumcision.
• 1997 Edgar J. Schoen tries and fails once again to convince European countries to institute mass circumcision.

• 1998 Howard Stang, inventor of an infant circumcision restraint fails to mention this conflict of interest in his article promoting infant circumcision.

If other countries outcried loud enough for the American citizens to notice, many of us would see just how much of a scam RIC really is. In the past, our media and the medical establishment cover-up this important conflict they have with other countries so it doesn't influence their SALE! Your example would save millions of boys. Weather or not you have children or even boys, if its not of your culture to practice this BARBARIC ritual on newborns, let us know! Its okay to be passionate about it too. This kind of outcry would hopefully shake us up a bit! How would the Americans feel about other Countries policing us?

yeah, but the trouble is, that the US is hard to police, because the average mainstrem american doesn't care what the rest of the world thinks. I mean, people don't even watch the international news on TV : It's like you (you = average americans, not educated and smart MDC-mammas only care about other parts of the world if it's because you are about to drop a bomb there. So exactly HOW are we as europeans supposed to reach the american mainstream? I would really like to get some ideas about this. Right now I just try to jump in to offer an outside perspective, when I stumble upon a circ-discussion, but other than that... what can we do?

[Daisyuk]

I think everyone ought to have it in their signature.

Well, given that MDC mothers are brighter and more tuned into their children than the average, I think that everyone who posts here, especially if they come from a culture where all genital mutilations are considered barbaric, has a duty to have something like that in their signature, because it may not have occurred to people that they just do not have to do this. Or even to question it.

I'm sure that mothers on here would like the opportunity to know that there is at least a question mark over it, and then they at least know to research. I'm sure that any caring mother who researches will be blown away by what they find and refuse to have anything to do with it.

Apart from anything else, it shows that there are more people who think it is barbaric and cruel - and that's bound to have an effect on a board, where national differences are not so immediately obvious. If every second sig has a nocirc in it, then it should at least cause some pause for thought in those that are considering (or would have just done it without considering anything).

[MamaVolpe]

My siggy is based on my family and what smileys I like. If I posted all my beliefs my siggy would be way too long.

[Mamm2]

My siggy is what it is because I don't want other mothers to make the mistake I almost made.

I have had numerous pms from MDC mothers after seeing my siggy who researched and changed their mind about circ.

If I can save one boy from being circ because of my siggy then it was worth the 2minutes it took me to put the siggy together.

[Mamm2]

Originally Posted by fruitful womb

(emphasis mine)

This is why I think its imperative that every MDC family has 'no-circ' in their siggies.

Peace,
FW

Thank you for saying that and that is why I have the siggy I do.

[artgoddess]

Is this thread for real?

I assume better of people I suppose. But in general I assume that all baby boys are left intact at MDC. I also assume they are breastfed, that their mothers don't let them CIO and that they will not be hit as a form of discipline.

[kblackstone444]

Originally Posted by artgoddess

Is this thread for real?

I assume better of people I suppose. But in general I assume that all baby boys are left intact at MDC. I also assume they are breastfed, that their mothers don't let them CIO and that they will not be hit as a form of discipline.

In a perfect world. Not every family has been on MDC since their children were born and not every family knew exactly how harmful circumscision is when their children were born.

[Papai]

Originally Posted by artgoddess

Is this thread for real?

I assume better of people I suppose. But in general I assume that all baby boys are left intact at MDC. I also assume they are breastfed, that their mothers don't let them CIO and that they will not be hit as a form of discipline.

Definitely not a safe assumption to make. There are people on MDC who think Circ is a-okay, but they're prevented from stating so outright because of the UA. :