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post #21 of 69
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Originally Posted by PB's Mom View Post
He said we will not know the day or the hour. He did say we will know the season. He wants us to pay attention to the signs. If he didn't want us to know he was near, he would not have told us of the things that are to happen (and the things that have already happened.) I think it's dangerous to ignore these things.
Why is it dangerous? I think it's more dangerous to have the idea that Jesus will come and save us from the mess we created here. There's a certain abrogation of responsiblity in it.
post #22 of 69
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I think the dangerous part would be to be caught off guard. If you have not yet accepted Jesus Christ as the Savior, then you will be left here to suffer through the hard times.
"For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again." Matthew 24:21

Yes, man is responsible for the mess we have created. The devil works through us to do evil. Sin has existed since Adam and Eve. I think the devil is achieving many things right now. I think hard times are ahead.

I'm guessing that some of the things in the near future are already starting to happen. The whole issue of population control includes creating bio-weapons (diseases and plagues -such as AIDS and lyme disease and other infections that injure the immune system), contaminated vaccines which don't protect us from disease, but actually inject us with disease (beware of the coming mandatory vaccine program), poisons in our food that the FDA has not only approved, but is promoting, chemtrails that are spraying our cities with chemicals and bio-weapons that are making us sick, toxins in our drinking water, nuclear wars? ...and we are heading towards a one world government which is trying to take God out of our society. They are already teaching our children in the schools to accept the idea of a one world government.

So, yes, we have created quite a mess for ourselves. And yes, Jesus will return to take us with him, those that believe. We may not escape all of the things that are to come, but the last 7 years will be the worst, and we will not be here for at least some of those years if you are a believer.
post #23 of 69
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Originally Posted by PB's Mom View Post
So, yes, we have created quite a mess for ourselves. And yes, Jesus will return to take us with him, those that believe. We may not escape all of the things that are to come, but the last 7 years will be the worst, and we will not be here for at least some of those years if you are a believer.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. If you (not you, personally, of course) believe that you will be escaping the worst of what you believe is to come, then you will not be working to prevent these types of horrors. A danger of dispensationalism is that it causes people to see horrific events and developments as something to be happy about because it confirms (in their minds) that the time of Jesus' return is at hand. I remember reading posts on sites I visit about how excited people were that we were going to war with Iraq for precisely this reason. Sorry, but I don't think Jesus would be pleased.
post #24 of 69
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Originally Posted by ChasingPeace View Post
I remember reading posts on sites I visit about how excited people were that we were going to war with Iraq for precisely this reason. Sorry, but I don't think Jesus would be pleased.
Are you serious?
post #25 of 69
I seems like if you believe in the "end times" as dictated in the bible ny various men, you would want to be loving like Jesus. I t is really self defeating to be spewing such hatred like "invade Iraq for Jesus". Jesus supposidly said to live for today and to love you enemies.
If i did believe in the raputer it seems ad though Jesus would take those who actually follow his commandments to LOVE.
On a related not, I watched the movie documantary Jesus Camp last night, and was disturbed on so many levels, not the least of which the adults were imparting this millenarian belief upon childre. There was actually a mother homeschooling her boys to believe that global waming was nothing to worry about. Probably because she believes they will all be raptured anyways so why listed to science.
The earth is but ours to exploit and when it is all ruined, Jesus will come back and rescue all the righteous? This is very dangerous, IMO.
post #26 of 69
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Originally Posted by ChasingPeace View Post
This is exactly what I'm talking about. If you (not you, personally, of course) believe that you will be escaping the worst of what you believe is to come, then you will not be working to prevent these types of horrors. A danger of dispensationalism is that it causes people to see horrific events and developments as something to be happy about because it confirms (in their minds) that the time of Jesus' return is at hand. I remember reading posts on sites I visit about how excited people were that we were going to war with Iraq for precisely this reason. Sorry, but I don't think Jesus would be pleased.

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Scripture doesn't support the idea that all the good (protestant) Christians will be whisked away and escape all the bad things that are going to go down. There's a lot of self-righteousness in that idea that really makes me uncomfortable.

It's possible the second coming will happen in my time, but highly unlikely. People have been "predicting the end" for a long time now, and they always end up with egg on their face, so to speak. I'm not preoccupied with it.
post #27 of 69
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Has anyone watched the link that I originally posted? Just wanted some comments on what Mr.Rosenberg had to say about all of this.

By the way, I'm not sitting around waiting for all of the bad stuff to happen. I'm trying to do my part to prevent these things because I don't want to suffer, and I don't want to see anyone else suffer, even my enemies. God wants us to love one another, and help one another, and to take care of the earth and the things he has given to us. It's our duty. However, there is evil in the world, and I do believe these things will happen. But, NO, that doesn't mean to just sit back and watch it happen, or be happy that it is happening. If we are kind to our neighbor, and help even one person who is in need, then we are doing something that is pleasing to God. And doing our part to help the environment is also pleasing to God. Good things can happen, even in bad times.
I am afraid of some of the things that may be to come. I know I need to put my trust in God and not be afraid, but it's hard sometimes, especially when you are dealing with a lot of things, such as illness, special needs children, strained relationships, financial problems, etc..... To think that the bad is going to get worse is scary. But I know I need to trust in God and pray that he will bring me peace and show me what I need to do. Helping others is something I desperately want to do, however, with my special needs kid, and 2 other young kids, it's something that's difficult to do right now. I'm realizing that I need to try to find the time to get more involved, because I might not have the leazure of sitting around, waiting for the kids to get older so that I'll have time to do service to others. I guess my service right now it to my family, but I feel the need to do more.
post #28 of 69
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God wants us to love one another, and help one another, and to take care of the earth and the things he has given to us.
Alrighty then, let's start doing that. Work for peace, no more war, no more blood for oil, no more food production for surplus, no more destruction of other species...shall I go on? I would love, love, love to see the day when the people that profess to believe in what "Jesus taught" actually live that way. Won't hold my breath.

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I am afraid of some of the things that may be to come
Why? That seems like a total squandering of the precious time "God" did give you here on earth, doesn't it? Work for good and be a peaceful person. Be kind, love one another...how freaking hard is that?

Seriously, the folks that are making tons and tons of cash off these books, shows, and websites that deal with the rapture are doing their damnedest (don't pardon the pun) to make sure all these events "fall into place". These guys are rolling in dollars, driving huge earth killing SUV's, and screwing as many hookers as they can before Jesus comes to take them to heaven...PUULLEEAASEEEE!!

I would rather be anywhere else (you know what I mean) than have to spend an eternity with those hate and war mongers. Thank you very much!:
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post #30 of 69
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Work for peace, no more war
I didn't realize I was promoting war. I don't want war. I'm not in Washington holding signs that say "please go to war." I havn't killed any animals other than the fly that was on my vegan dinner last week. I am a Christian, and I want peace in the world. I don't want any bad things to happen. I don't drive a car that pollutes the environment.

There are some very powerful people in our government who are doing evil things. They say they are Christians, but they are not. If you research the "Illuminati" you will find that they are actually devil worshipers. So, once again, you have the devil using people to do evil. The devil is deceitful and lies and says he is good, when he is not. There are some true Christians out there trying to warn everyone of these evil people, trying to get the TRUTH out there so that everyone can follow God's plan, and not the devil's plan.

I agree that there are some people out there who are predicting the future, who seem to be promoting events that lead to the end times, and there are people in power who are not earth friendly, and who have their fun with hookers. But these are not the people that Jesus is coming for. These people are the devil worshipers who will be spending an eternity in hell.

There are other people who love Jesus, who want to help others, be loving, and are talking (yes, JUST TALKING) about events that are to come. It doesn't mean they are promoting these events. It doesn't mean they are getting rich from talking about these events (writing books doesn't make you a millionaire, in case you didn't know). Even people who are making money from their books are not all bad people. They are trying to get a message out there, and they just happen to be able to bring home a small paycheck to support their family if they sell a few books. And, yes, some of them even donate money to needy people. These are the people that are doing God's work, and these are NOT bad people. You can't assume that everyone who makes money from book sales or interviews is evil. If they didn't make any money, they wouldn't be able to spread their message. It's just like a minister in a church. The church members give their offering (to God) and the minister gets paid a salary from the offering. It's not because the minister is greedy. He needs to buy groceries, just like the rest of us. It's the job he's chosen to do. It is a JOB. It does result in a paycheck. That doesn't make him a bad person.

I have a home business. I sell products to people. They pay me money, and I use that money to pay bills, and tithe to the church. The business that I have just happens to be a business that provides memorial products to comfort those who have lost a loved one. I enjoy bringing comfort to people who have lost someone they love. It is something that I have chosen to do. If I gave everything away at cost, and chose not to make any money doing it, then I wouldn't be ABLE to do it. I would have to go out and get a REAL job, to help pay the bills. Then there would not be a website like my website to offer these special products to people who need items of comfort. I wish I could give these things away for free, but I'm just a regular person who has bills like everyone else. I need money coming in, so I can help put food on the table. Just because I make a profit, that doesn't make me an evil monster, does it? My intentions are good. I'm showing love and compassion to others through what I do. I donate items when I can.

You need to be able to separate the people who say they are good (but who are really evil) and the people who are truly good. Nobody out there is perfect. Even good Christians make lots of mistakes, but don't beat up the people who have a good heart and are truly trying to do the right thing.
post #31 of 69
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Originally Posted by maplesugar View Post
I think we are in a sort of end times, but not in the Christian sense, as I am not a Christian.
I think humanity is coming to a crossroads of sorts with our knowledge, and conciencness (SP). Also think in terms of environmental problems that we are going to be forced to deal with very soon.
The Mayans of Central America belived that our current world cycle will end winter solctice 2012. Of course there is much speculation on what they ment by that, but I do believe something will happen. I hope it is like a great awakening where people become kind.
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"This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius"

I think that it is the end of the Christian Age. I do not think that it is the end of the world.

In a number of varied metaphysical sources I've read, there is talk of other realms which had cosmically separated from us for the past couple thousand years, and are now coming back within range (like the way planets physically get further away and then come closer together). As these other worlds draw closer again and more people are able to see and communicate with their inhabitants, as well as travel to other worlds, our understanding will change.

There will be a shift in consciousness throughout all of humanity.
post #32 of 69
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I didn't realize I was promoting war. I don't want war. I'm not in Washington holding signs that say "please go to war." I havn't killed any animals other than the fly that was on my vegan dinner last week. I am a Christian, and I want peace in the world. I don't want any bad things to happen. I don't drive a car that pollutes the environment.
Look, I wasn't talking specifically about you. And certainly not all xtians. But certainly plenty of them do profit off of these wars, and do profit off of the rapture products they hock.

You asked are we in the End times? I say sure, why not? But it has NOTHING to do with God or Jesus.

Our earth cannot sustain our population. We are killing off 200 species a day (if not more) because WE need their biomass to survive. What happens when we have no more biomass to take? The answer to that question is rapidly approaching.

Not much we can do other than every single human on this planet realize that they have to completely change the way they view the world, culture, society, and religion.

Here's a great book suggestion: B by Daniel Quinn. Heck any of his books would help you see the "end times" from a different perspective.

here's a link

I really do hope you can find some peace with this.

I highly suggest watching this movie. It will blow your mind (in a good/productive way)!
post #33 of 69
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There is plenty of evidence out there that says our earth is not in as much danger as some people would like us to think (as far as overpopulation and global warming, etc.....) I watched the movie "An Inconvenient Truth", and I was sold on it. I bought my cloth bags to take to the grocery store, etc....

However, as I continued to do research, and found out that the people promoting the global warming theory (among other things), are the same people who want a one-world government, and this is part of their plan to get us there. They need to create a crisis in which the world needs to be saved by government. They will basically turn us into a slave nation. Here is a good article:
http://www.juntosociety.com/guest/sp...pm1010903.html

and a good movie:
http://infowars-shop.stores.yahoo.net/endgamedvd.html

I do believe there is damage to the earth by us humans, but not to the extent that some people would like us to believe. You need to look at every side of the story before you decide who to believe.
post #34 of 69
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Originally Posted by ChasingPeace View Post
I believe there are many who are trying to force events in order to bring about their perception of what the "End Times" will be, but I believe their perception of the meaning of the apocalyptic books is incorrect (and dangerously so at that). Because of the efforts of those who are trying to force events to occur, I think we could bring about our own destruction. However, I do not have any reason to believe we are living in a time where we will see Jesus' Second Coming, more so than any other time. Jesus said we cannot know when He will return.


So I have things like gentle discipline to learn (I was never raised that way) and health food (I was raised that way, but there are always breakthroughs in styles of health and preventive medicine.) shots, viruses, bacteria, ummm natural diseases my child could have since birth that might not happen until certain ages, bad adults who have no morals (that should cover all types of issues right there) influenceing my child, umm..., everyday issues with evil and I need to worry more about the end times then the now? More about the end times then college? or food?

I understand your position, but frankly, I pray, I go to church, I say thank you for the chance to put my pants by myself and live healthy in this very very busy unkind world. Overall, it's no worse now then say...world war II or world war I or say the civil war, pick a war! What about a few hundred years ago? people like hitler and napleoan etc., really didn't care much about thier tactics as long as they won, they were organised killers. If scientists were capable of creating weapons of mass cruelty they were used as often and without thought over the "collaotral" damage created where at least now some of our world leaders think about that when making deicisions. I'd rather live now with as many chioces as we have then live in a time when chioces were considered allowed only to the powerful of society. I can make good chioces even as a poor mom in this country. I think I'm living in now, Now might be scary, horrific and awful sometimes but the whole bible had those parts and so in Now there are also incredible moments of joy.
post #35 of 69
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There is plenty of evidence out there that says our earth is not in as much danger as some people would like us to think

I do believe there is damage to the earth by us humans, but not to the extent that some people would like us to believe.
Ahhhhh....I see now...

Hmm. I will gladly check out those sites after a complete sourcewatch check on them of course... Have to see what oil companies are profiting from that info...

I am sure you understand that I (and the vast majority of scientists) understand and do believe the findings of the IGPGCC. So we'll see....
post #36 of 69
PB mom, if you are feeling that "stirring" to spread Jesus, I would not ignore it. I beleive you are to be used in some way for some person. Pray it through.

Blessings,
~F
post #37 of 69
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Originally Posted by maplesugar View Post
I think we are in a sort of end times, but not in the Christian sense, as I am not a Christian.
I think humanity is coming to a crossroads of sorts with our knowledge, and conciencness (SP). Also think in terms of environmental problems that we are going to be forced to deal with very soon.
The Mayans of Central America belived that our current world cycle will end winter solctice 2012. Of course there is much speculation on what they ment by that, but I do believe something will happen. I hope it is like a great awakening where people become kind.
I was going to post about 12/21/2012. Much more likely for me to believe this than a "Rapture". When I think of the "rapture" a few other things come to mind... Jim Jones, and the Hail Bob comet. They really believed didn't they?
post #38 of 69
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I was going to post about 12/21/2012.
Funny...I heard that Harold Camping is absolutely-positively-totally-100% sure that the world will end on 10/21/2011.

Five months after the Rapture on May 21st
post #39 of 69
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Originally Posted by Ms.QsMama View Post
Really? It's not that important to me when the "end times" will be. I definitely don't think it should be the reason we strive to live like Jesus. If our only reason to follow him is because of fear,then how deeply rooted is our faith? Now is the time to live as Christ asks us to, not because "the end is near!" or something, but because we love him and choose to serve him with our lives, because he is worthy and because we are able.

I am curious though, how does one prepare themselves for the end times? Are you talking spiritually? Emotionally? Physically? I think if we are striving daily to live with integrity, to embrace the fruits of the spirit, and to honor the Lord with our lives, then we have no reason to live in fear. Whatever happens is out of our control, but I have no doubt that the Lord will there be with us, guiding us and loving us.

Deep breathes and big hugs Mama.

This is a super post. I am just going to *keep on keepin' on* in my life and if the *end* comes, well I believe I will be taken care of. I believe God is love, is of love, has love, and bestows love and grace and mercy. I will still keep to my plans -- be a good steward of the Earth (I do believe in global warming fwiw), be a good woman, wife, mama, daughter, sister, friend -- love the Lord with all my heart and strive to live and be a good example of my understanding of Christ's love. If the *big one* hits then, well I am faithful we will be okay.
post #40 of 69
I'm another mama in agreement with Ms.QsMama (hi Laurel!) Jesus tells as the the Kingdom of God is HERE, among us! We are to live in love and service of God and our neighbors. THAT is truly my only concern. I feel so blessed to be a part of God's kingdom now. I don't even think about the future all that much, to be honest. I think living faithfully in the here and now is about all that I can handle without worrying about tomorrow!

To the OP, I'm so sorry that you're feeling stressed, and I would really encourage you to bask in God's love for you and for all of the Creation.
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