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post #1 of 13
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i am trying to figure out the middle ground on this. and would appreciate some more heads to give me a different point of view.

so my x wanted to raise our daugh a vegetarian (well actually non meatetarian - fish and eggs are ok) and i agreed i would to the best of my ability but that she would eat what i ate. that was when daugh was 18 months old. so i dont cook meat at home (i didnt eat v. much and even less after i said i would raise her as much as a veggie as i could).

and then when she was 3 she came back from thanksgiving with her dad and expressed how sad she had been that everyone was eating turkey (including her dad) and she got none.

that thanksgiving i told her dad we were at our friends place and they were serviing organic turkey and that i was going to give her some.

she is 5 now and he is mad that i am giving her meat. maybe once a month or less when i am out and i am eating meat. she does have the option of ordering meat when we are out even though i am not eating - to be fair.

so here is my deal. to me its not fair that i have a seperate rule for her and a seperate rule for me. that i impose my wishes on her. ask my daugh to not eat meat when i am eating meat in front of her. i have noticed that because of that reason meat has become a forbidden fruit for her. i talk about being vegetarian to my daugh and that that is my ultimate goal but once in a while i crave meat and so i eat it. that it is my failing. that i would prefer to eat nuts but cant afford to replace meat with nuts. we do eat a lot of beans. for me meat is giving into a craving. he is ok with fish and eggs which we do.

her grandpa (dad's dad) feels i am being unfair to my child. that as parents we have the right to watch out for the best interest for our children. and obviously veget is the better, healthy choice - even though the rules are different. and by me allowing her to eat meat i am making meat an issue for her - not her dad.

but to me its not so much about 'healthy food' but more about imposing my 'power' on my child. what i say is law. for me its so hypocritical to have different rules for my daugh and me.

what do u feel? is there another way to look at this. its ok if you differ from me. i would appreciate another point of view.
post #2 of 13
I don't think I could justify it to myself unless I were following the same diet myself, at least when she's around.

I think its admirable that you are honoring your ex's wishes with her, but at the same time it strikes me that kids adjust to different rules at moms house than at dad's house all the time.

If she wants to be a vegetarian when she's old enough to make that choice, I'd support her at that time, but I don't think the current lifestyle with meat as "forbidden fruit" so to speak is going to lead to that, probably more likely she will run the other way when she gets out of the house, eating meat to her hearts content.
post #3 of 13
I personally think that if a parent wants something regarding nutrition to be a "principle" for their child it has to be a principle for the family. It would follow that if divorces or separated parents agree on a principle regardless of where the child is at the time, then both parents need to follow that principle, too. I think it is completely reasonable for him to not want to serve meat at his house (if he is truly a vegetarian) but if you don't want to follow that then you should be able to serve meat and allow her the choice.

"Do as I say, not as I do" is not an effective parenting philosophy and it sounds like that is what your ex is doing.
post #4 of 13
I don't understand why her dad is eating meat when he is the one who doesn't want her eating meat? Maybe I am confused as to who is doing what? Personally I think she should be able to decide for herself if she wants to be a vegetarian or not.
post #5 of 13
I think if he's not even veggie he is WAY WAY WAY out of line to insist that you raise your daughter that way.

-Angela
post #6 of 13
I agree. I don't want my kids eating meat...so I don't.
post #7 of 13
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and then when she was 3 she came back from thanksgiving with her dad and expressed how sad she had been that everyone was eating turkey (including her dad) and she got none.
This is that part that strikes me as odd. Why does he eat it in front of her if he doesn't want her to eat it? Kids are pretty quick and the "do as i say, not as i do" doesn't go very far with them.

I actually agree that vege living, when it comes to children, really should be a family commitment. So if neither you or your ex are vegetarian, why should your DD be forced to? I agree that if you are eating meat, she should be able to, as well, as long as she wants to.
post #8 of 13
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I don't think I could justify it to myself unless I were following the same diet myself, at least when she's around.

I think its admirable that you are honoring your ex's wishes with her, but at the same time it strikes me that kids adjust to different rules at moms house than at dad's house all the time.

If she wants to be a vegetarian when she's old enough to make that choice, I'd support her at that time, but I don't think the current lifestyle with meat as "forbidden fruit" so to speak is going to lead to that, probably more likely she will run the other way when she gets out of the house, eating meat to her hearts content.
word.

the stress this is likely causing for her (picking up on everyone's tension) is far worse for her than having different rules. I am divorced and while we back each other up on The Big Stuff, there is simply different lifestyles at my ex's home and mine. We respect each other's differences and get together on major stuff.

If you let her eat meat once in a while, eat peanut butter from the jar, drink chocolate syrup from the can or feed her Jello with a slingshot....it's really not for your ex and his dad to butt into. Period. Dont stress the child out with those things.
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by meemee View Post
then when she was 3 she came back from thanksgiving with her dad and expressed how sad she had been that everyone was eating turkey (including her dad) and she got none.

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what do u feel? is there another way to look at this. its ok if you differ from me. i would appreciate another point of view.
So wait- he does not want her to eat meat but ate it in front of her?!?! WTH? I think you need to examine the reasons why he does not want her to have meat and see if they hold up to scutiny (sp?). Not all meat is created equal. I would think if it is local, organic, free-range and all that it would be better for consumption.

We evolved with the capacity to get protein from meat is my thinking so why not have a little in our diets?
post #10 of 13
I think it's ridiculous. Everyone in her life can eat meat except her, just because?? If it's so important to have a veggie lifestyle because it's more healthy than at the very least the person imposing this rule should abide by it when he's with her [B]at the very least!!![B]

If it were an allergy situation and she couldn't eat it, I could understand. But just on principal? No way, tell him to stuff it. Into a turkey perhaps.
post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 
i think as a 'family' we are all aspiring vegetarians. we are rare meatitarians.

what i object to is him eating meat in front of her and saying you cant eat what i am eating.

to me that is wrong. because that has created this longin gfor meat for her. but more coz it sets this relationship based on power which i dont agree with.

with me my rule is u eat what i eat. and if i eat meat u too eat meat.

this is where we are having a difference of opinion. he feels he can eat what he wants in front of his daughter but she should not eat meat because he as a parent says so because he has her best interest in mind. i differ.

so really it has turned into a matter of principle - not really nutrition.

OMG u wont believe this. when her grandpa and i were having this passionate discussion about this v. thing i said i dont want her to hide behind my back adn eat meat. if she wants to she can do it in front of me. and he went - her hiding behind my back is all right. its her choice. but me by being a parent and saying no eating meat to her while i eat meat - is doing my duty as a parent. letting her know what is the better choice. is it wrong of me to think that is absolutely nuts.
post #12 of 13
At the risk of sounding harsh...


You're x is being a hypocrite. Do as I say but not as I do is a very bad example for a child to see. They can see right through it and know it to be unjust.
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by meemee View Post
so my x wanted to raise our daugh a vegetarian (well actually non meatetarian - fish and eggs are ok) and i agreed i would to the best of my ability but that she would eat what i ate. that was when daugh was 18 months old. so i dont cook meat at home (i didnt eat v. much and even less after i said i would raise her as much as a veggie as i could).

and then when she was 3 she came back from thanksgiving with her dad and expressed how sad she had been that everyone was eating turkey (including her dad) and she got none.
Let me get this straight. Her dad wanted to raise her as a pescatarian (vegetarian who eats fish), and then he ate meat in front of her?

That just doesn't make any sense. And now he's getting mad that you're letting her eat meat?

What exactly are his reasons for wanting her to be a pescatarian? Can those reasons be equally served by eating meat only once or twice a month, instead of eschewing it altogether?
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