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post #21 of 92
Yeah and so should I. If I found one that I could use, I would use it.

In my old car, I used a pillow. In my new car, the seat goes up, so my seatbelt fits properly and i can reach everything.

I am not going overboard with safety. My daughter turned ff at 20 months because she outgrew rf by height, and I didn't realize that other seats had higher heights.

I eta soft cheeses, sushi, drink a glass of wine while pregnant.

So should I have turned my baby when he was 3 months old?
post #22 of 92
I think you should do what feels best for you and your family... how could I answer a question like that for you?? You are the wisest expert and guide your family could have. We all take in all the info and make the best decisions we can, IMHO.

...ok now everyone on MDC knows I am a libertarian!

post #23 of 92
You missed my point, but that's okay. Have a nice day.
post #24 of 92
I would absolutely not turn a child forward facing before a year (at minimum) no matter what they weighed. It's not only about weight - it's also about spinal cord/neck development - and 1 year is a MINIMUM for when it's safe to ride FF. Not the maximum for safety RF.
post #25 of 92
I agree with the other posters who said they'd never do it.
The risks are just to big IMO.

The bucket seat I have goes up to 30 lbs RF, and then the next step for DS2 is a convertable that DS1 has that will go up until 35 lbs RF.

It doesn't matter if their legs are touching the back seat, kids are used to curling them up.
Besides, I'd much rather risk a broken leg than a broken neck.
post #26 of 92
I would never turn FF that early. My DS was 20 lbs at 4 months! We will RF until 33 lbs.
post #27 of 92
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Originally Posted by the_lissa View Post
So should I have turned my baby when he was 3 months old?
There's obviously a big difference between 3 months and 10 months (or a year, or two years). Like the pp said, that's your decision to make!

I hadn't even considered height limits - DS is off the charts for height, so I should also look into that.

Honestly, I cannot imagine waiting until DS is two to turn him. He already cranks his neck to look at me from the back. Sometimes I'll "feel" eyes one me and he'll be staring at me!
post #28 of 92
Well you are the one who said it couldn't be about physical development, so if my 3 month old was the same size as your 10 month old, what is the difference?
post #29 of 92
I enjoy having my DD's head attached to her body, so we rear-faced to the weight limit of the seat.

Seriously, a crying baby vs. a head-severing/spinal column injury? This is what paramedics find in accidents with children. For me, there was no choice to be made.

But, to each their own. It makes no difference to me what another Mom does. I gave that up a few months ago! You can forward face when you want, feed solids, potty learn etc...whenever and however you like. I used to get all passionate and try to convince people of things...it's generally useless.
post #30 of 92
No way would I turn a child younger than age 1 FF.

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Originally Posted by happy2bamama View Post
Is there something that could magically happen in those two months that would make it more safe for your child to ride facing forward?
Yes! She grows and matures, her head and neck muscles, bones and ligaments grow stronger and her body will begin to 'catch up' to her head which is disproportunately large and heavy in an infant.

There is plenty of literature (both printed and online) available on why rear-facing is safer for infants. This site is one that specifically addresses why an older baby is better equipped to ride FF than a 10 month old; nothing magical about it:

http://www.freewebs.com/sacredjourne...npreschool.htm
post #31 of 92
no way. in fact quinn's almost 19 months, well over the physical development/height/weight/age mininums, and i won't be turning him until at least age 2.
post #32 of 92
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Originally Posted by happy2bamama View Post
and turn your baby's carseat facing forward if they meet the weight limit, but were two months shy of being 1-year-old? Why is there a weight AND age requirement? Is there something that could magically happen in those two months that would make it more safe for your child to ride facing forward?

Thoughts? TIA
never. I'll be keeping dd rear facing for as long as I can.
post #33 of 92
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Originally Posted by acp View Post
I know that rear facing is safer, but I guess I'm a bit more like the previous poster when it comes to not being uber-safety conscious (maybe why I was OK with downhill skiing and eating soft cheese and sushi while I was pregnant as well ....If DD were happy rear-facing, I'd most certainly keep her that way as long as possible since it's safer and working for her. Since she's not, I'll probably switch her around earlier.
There's a big difference between eating soft cheese while pregnant, and turning an infant forward facing in a car seat.

What if DD isn't happy forward facing? What if she just doesn't like the car seat at ALL??? (I do know a child like this....HATES HATES HATES the car seat and screams the whole time - not real fun to ride with). Is that a free pass to no car seat, then?

It's not being uber-safety conscious. To me, uber-safety conscious is the parent who doesn't let their 10 year old play alone in the backyard without a parent watching or doesn't let a 12 year old use a steak knife at dinner. Not placing an infant, with a disproportionately top-heavy body and underdeveloped neck muscles in the position which is safest for them in the event that they are involved in a collision involving a ton or two of material at 40 miles per hour just seems incredibly irresponsible. Google "internal decapitation"
post #34 of 92
I think the quidlines take age and weight into account - for two different reasons.

My understanding was the age thing was about development - muscle development and being able to cope forward facing if an accident were to occur.

Whilst weight has everything to do with what the car seat can cope.

My son was unexpectedly born large so did not fit into his infant carrier for long. Waste of money that thing anyhow! lol.... Next child we are investing in a car seat that is from birth to 4 years (5 point harness all the time)...its one of those car seats that is rear facing then can be forward facing if you wish past a certain age (development).

I know in America its they cant be forward facing till the are a year old. Here in the UK its 9 months. But weight is more focused on I think. The issue is, with weight...is that the car seat can only handle that. If your child outwights what the car seat recommends...you NEED to get a new one! Ex: My son just outgrew (hes only 2) his car seat - 5 point harness up to the age of 4...simply because of his weight. The 5 point harness says only to use up to the weight of 35lbs...hes that weight - so we got him a car seat that can take more weight. This is a huge safety reason.

So: If your childs weight has outgrown the car seat you have...get a new one!....if you want them rear facing for longer...spend a bit of extra money on a car seat that can take rear facing in a higher weight.
post #35 of 92
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Originally Posted by katheek77 View Post
There's a big difference between eating soft cheese while pregnant, and turning an infant forward facing in a car seat.

What if DD isn't happy forward facing? What if she just doesn't like the car seat at ALL??? (I do know a child like this....HATES HATES HATES the car seat and screams the whole time - not real fun to ride with). Is that a free pass to no car seat, then?

It's not being uber-safety conscious. To me, uber-safety conscious is the parent who doesn't let their 10 year old play alone in the backyard without a parent watching or doesn't let a 12 year old use a steak knife at dinner. Not placing an infant, with a disproportionately top-heavy body and underdeveloped neck muscles in the position which is safest for them in the event that they are involved in a collision involving a ton or two of material at 40 miles per hour just seems incredibly irresponsible. Google "internal decapitation"
All fair points, but honestly, I think we all do what we're comfortable with, and sometimes make different decisions. I should note that I live in the city and *rarely* (maybe once every 2-3 weeks) use the car with DD. If I used the car often, I might try and keep her rear-facing longer. If, whenever I do decide to face her front (and I have no clue when we'll do this - most likely we'll wait till she's a year old, but it's at least possible I'd consider it around 10 or 11 months), she shows no obvious preference over rear facing, then I'd most likely switch it back to rear-facing for as long as she's under the weight limit.
My basic strategy is to avoid car crashes completely - I realize no one can guarantee that, especially since you can't control the driving of other people on the road. But I certainly feel like a less safe driver when DD is screaming her head off.

Perhaps I shouldn't have gone off on the uber-safety conscious tangent, since that's really a different issue (albeit one that's been on my mind). Certainly I don't think anyone who keeps their child rear-facing for two years is over-cautious. But I do think the fact that I don't often live in paranoia of the worst-case scenarios (child abduction, SIDS, fatal car or bus crashes) happening to me make me a little more likely to do things like tummy sleep, ride the bus with DD, etc. (and I realize, because someone will point it out, that car crashes are much more likely than the first two). Some people might find that irresponsible, but I'd like to think that I think carefully about the big things and generally keep DD in a very safe and loving environment, while also trying not to communicate a sense of fear about the world to her.
post #36 of 92
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Originally Posted by the_lissa View Post
Well you are the one who said it couldn't be about physical development, so if my 3 month old was the same size as your 10 month old, what is the difference?
Can you show me where I said that it couldn't be about physical development? I know I asked, "IS there some magical thing that happens?" and "IF it is about physical development..." but I don't remember stating that it "couldn't be." Maybe you can cut and paste where I said that and post it to me.

And physical development doesn't just mean weight - it also means what other people are talking about here - proportions and the whole whiplash thing. So, at 3 months old, I would imagine that your DC's proportions would be different than my 10-month-old's even though they may be the same weight.
post #37 of 92
Nope. I've seen the crash test videos for rf vs. ff. Add in that I have insanely tiny babies and I wouldn' even consider it.


Oh and I should be in a booster too. DH told me he was getting me one for Christmas.
post #38 of 92
Can someone post the video? You know the one, the horrible one showing what happens when people turn their babies front facing? Thats why my 17 month old is still RF.
post #39 of 92
The weight AND age requirements are both minimums. An 18 lb 1yo needs to be RF, as does a 22lb 10mo. In those 2 months, your baby's neck bones and muscles will grow a lot stronger, and be better able to handle the forces of an impact while in the FF position. All babies and toddlers are safer RF if the seats can accomodate their heights and weights.

Neither of my daughters were 20lbs by their first birthdays- so I kept them RF until they hit the magical 20 lbs. Actually, I think I turned DD1 around a little earlier because she was 15mo and in shoes and the convertible carseats in those days had the seatbelt OVER the carseat and it was just too hard to get her in and out and buckle her in properly!

I kept DS RF until he reached the height limit for RF in his seat. He was about 2.5yo at the time. RF really is much, much safer.
post #40 of 92
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Originally Posted by *Aimee* View Post
Can someone post the video? You know the one, the horrible one showing what happens when people turn their babies front facing? Thats why my 17 month old is still RF.
How is this any different than showing a woman who's going to birth at home a horrible video of a labor where there were complications??! This seems to be perpetuating fear a little too much for me even though I get what you're saying.
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