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post #41 of 92
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Originally Posted by happy2bamama View Post
and turn your baby's carseat facing forward if they meet the weight limit, but were two months shy of being 1-year-old? Why is there a weight AND age requirement? Is there something that could magically happen in those two months that would make it more safe for your child to ride facing forward?

Thoughts? TIA
It seems obvious to me that the 1-year limit is arbitrary. The law has to draw a line somewhere but clearly FFing doesn't go from being "unsafe" to "safe" at the 12-month mark. At best it goes from "unsafe" to "marginally less unsafe." I think the only reasonable thing to do is stay RF as long as possible because it is safer for anyone of any age in an accident.

However I am sympathetic to the idea that not having a screaming baby in the back seat may reduce your overall risk... I am grateful I haven't had to deal with that dilemma.
post #42 of 92
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Originally Posted by Trillian View Post
It seems obvious to me that the 1-year limit is arbitrary. The law has to draw a line somewhere but clearly FFing doesn't go from being "unsafe" to "safe" at the 12-month mark. At best it goes from "unsafe" to "marginally less unsafe." I think the only reasonable thing to do is stay RF as long as possible because it is safer for anyone of any age in an accident.
However I am sympathetic to the idea that not having a screaming baby in the back seat may reduce your overall risk... I am grateful I haven't had to deal with that dilemma.
ITA My dd is getting ready to turn two and she is still not 20 lbs. People keep telling me I should turn her, but she is going to be RF for a looooong time.
post #43 of 92
I turned my older dd ff when she was 1yo. She gets carsick. Then I learned some info about how being rf is much safer than ff, and so when she was about 2yo, I turned her back to rf. She will be rf til she hits the weight limit, which is 35lbs.
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post #45 of 92
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Originally Posted by happy2bamama View Post
How is this any different than showing a woman who's going to birth at home a horrible video of a labor where there were complications??! This seems to be perpetuating fear a little too much for me even though I get what you're saying.
I think the video in question is the one that shows crash test dummies and describes the physics of what happens in a rearfacing crash vrs a forward facing crash. i don't consider that fear mongering propaganda so much as information needed to make an informed decision.
post #46 of 92
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Originally Posted by lrlittle View Post
Thanks for this link - lots of good information here that answered my question(s)!

We have a Britax Marathon and on this website, it says that for this car seat 25" is the max for rear-facing, but that doesn't sound right to me... could that be right? I will have to check with my manual. DS is 29" already, so if that's the case, then maybe we will have to go front facing sooner rather than later.
post #47 of 92
Really, overall height has little to do with it; it's the torso length that is important.
If your DC's head is less than an inch from the top of the car seat shell then you need a new one (RF).
(For FF it's if their ears are level with the top.)

That site (car-safety.org) is a great one for finding everything you need to know regarding car seats; I've spent several hours there in the past year or so.

ETA: Somewhere there is a link to measurements on nearly every car seat out there. Seat to strap measurement being the torso one I was referring to.
post #48 of 92
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Originally Posted by happy2bamama View Post
Thanks for this link - lots of good information here that answered my question(s)!

We have a Britax Marathon and on this website, it says that for this car seat 25" is the max for rear-facing, but that doesn't sound right to me... could that be right? I will have to check with my manual. DS is 29" already, so if that's the case, then maybe we will have to go front facing sooner rather than later.


It says that 25 inches is the height of the shell as measured from the seat. So your child would be safe if the measurement from their butt to their head, while seated, was around 24 inches.
post #49 of 92
Back in 2000, Barbara Weber put all the then-current research on child car seat safety into one amazing article: "Crash Protection for Child Passengers: A Review of Best Practices."

From what I remember from that and other articles: The 12-month number is based on crash statistics.

THe progression of "child's spinal cord is likely to snap and leave child paralyzed" is not a straight line, if you graph it. The chances of serious spinal injury due to the whole "heavy head weak neck" thing don't start high and drop gradually as the child matures. When they ran the numbers on thousands of crash outcomes, they found a major line could be drawn through the numbers at the 12-month mark. Beneath it, the chances of serious injury were so high that it makes sense to legislate mandatory rearfacing. Above it, the child is still significantly safer riding backwards, but the risk/benefit of turning vs. not turning is not as wildly clearcut.

So the line is "arbitrary" to a point. The line had to be drawn somewhere. BUt, as Weber describes, it's very clear that at less than 12 months, there is a difference.

As Weber says: "Accident experience has shown that a young child’s skull can be separated from its spine by the force of a crash, the spinal cord can be severed, or the child may live but suffer paraplegia or tetraplegia due to the stretched and damaged cord. Eleven cases studied in depth were included in the two 1993 reports. All children with severe injuries were 12 months old or younger, whereas others who suffered less severe injuries,
such as C2 odontoid fractures, were over 18 months."
post #50 of 92
Nope I wouldn't do it. I would err on the side of keeping them rear facing longer than turning sooner if I was worried about what the difference was between a 10 month old and a 12 month old.

FWIW, I had giant babies and I expect another. Both my babies outgrew their infant seats before they were ready to forward face. So I just moved them into convertible seats and rear faced.
post #51 of 92
My son is 10 months old, and 27 lbs. There is no way I'd turn him yet.
post #52 of 92
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Originally Posted by Trillian View Post
It seems obvious to me that the 1-year limit is arbitrary. The law has to draw a line somewhere but clearly FFing doesn't go from being "unsafe" to "safe" at the 12-month mark. At best it goes from "unsafe" to "marginally less unsafe." I think the only reasonable thing to do is stay RF as long as possible because it is safer for anyone of any age in an accident.
Thanks for summing it up way better than I could have.

My DS is 25 pounds and 11 months. There is no way in heck I would consider turning him around. His head is huge. Huge! In the 97% for 19 month olds. So to me, the risks of internal decapitation seem very, very real. He will be rear facing in his Marathon until he outgrows it by weight or height.
post #53 of 92
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Originally Posted by eclipse View Post
I think the video in question is the one that shows crash test dummies and describes the physics of what happens in a rearfacing crash vrs a forward facing crash. i don't consider that fear mongering propaganda so much as information needed to make an informed decision.
Yes thank you. I dont think its fear mongering to be educated and know what I'm doing, regardless of what I choose to do I want to make an educated choice.
post #54 of 92
I definitely wouldn't. But I'm not planning on turning ds forward facing until he reaches the rf limit of his seat.
post #55 of 92
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Originally Posted by savithny View Post
Back in 2000, Barbara Weber put all the then-current research on child car seat safety into one amazing article: "Crash Protection for Child Passengers: A Review of Best Practices."

From what I remember from that and other articles: The 12-month number is based on crash statistics.
Thanks for posting that. I didn't know what kind of evidence the law was based on.
post #56 of 92
FWIW, we had to turn DD around at one year (the minimum age to turn children around at that time in our state) even though she wasn't 20 pounds yet. She was so long that her knees were in her chest when she was in the rear-facing seat.

I talked to the pediatrician about it before I turned the seat, and he told me that the requirements had as much to do with muscle development as with weight. He also agreed that she was probably in more danger with her knees bent up if we had an accident.
post #57 of 92
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Originally Posted by sofiabugmom View Post
FWIW, we had to turn DD around at one year (the minimum age to turn children around at that time in our state) even though she wasn't 20 pounds yet. She was so long that her knees were in her chest when she was in the rear-facing seat.

I talked to the pediatrician about it before I turned the seat, and he told me that the requirements had as much to do with muscle development as with weight. He also agreed that she was probably in more danger with her knees bent up if we had an accident.

Unless she was in one of the baby buckets, i don' see how her legs could literally be up in her chest at one year. I've seen large thee and four year olds rear facing that don't have their legs that way. Your ped was also incorrect about her being in more danger with her knees bent - the danger to her legs is possibly that she would break them. The danger of forward facing too early is internal decapitation
post #58 of 92
The required training to become a pediatrician has nothing to do with carseats, and muscle development has nothing to do with the ability of the skeleton to withstand crash forces. The spine is gradually calcified between 1 and 3 years as the head becomes less of the total body mass, and these are the developmental factors that are important.
post #59 of 92
Well, color me corrected :

To answer a previous question, DD was not in a bucket seat, it was a Britax Marathon. And she was probably closer to 16 months, as opposed to 12, which certainly does make a difference in development (not saying my pediatrician gave me correct information; just correcting DD's age from my PP).

But the bottom line: Hopefully this information, including the correction of the *mis*information I was given, will help the OP with her issue.
post #60 of 92
My DD is 21 months old and 21 pounds and I will not be facing her forward until she exceeds the rear-facing weight limit of our Britax Decathlon -- 33 lbs. It is much, much, much safer.
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