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post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
I'm compiling tips from other threads to help those of us who are having nursing challenges. Feel free to add other items, or other sections, or make suggestions, and we can try to get a complete list stickied. I will try to maintain this thread as I have a break from baby care.

An additional note... I'm basing this mainly on tips that we contribute to each other. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of places to go for detailed information on nursing and I don't think we need to reinvent the wheel. This is a Cliff's Notes/sample platter of helpful information.

Help for Sore Nipples
  • Try to get more of your nipple in his mouth and make sure baby is latching well
  • You shouldn't need to hold your boob away from his face, babies noses are specially designed so that they can still breathe when they are nursing
  • A little lanolin on a breast pad after every feeding can help with tenderness and prevent chapping/cracking.
  • Hydrogel pads are great for broken skin. Soothies are the ones that I (Curlita) like the most – they are a life saver.
  • Let nipples air dry after a feeding.
  • Express a little breast milk onto the nipple and allow it to dry

Latching Tips
A bad latch is the most likely cause of soreness.
  • Get as much nipple in the mouth as possible. Babies draw milk from the breast by compressing the milk sinuses around the nipple, not by actually sucking the milk out through the nipple.
  • Try compressing the nipple slightly like a sandwich in order to fit as much as possible into baby's mouth. Especially helpful if the breast is engorged and would otherwise not be easy to compress. ASIDE: This used to be called the cigarette hold, according to an LPN I know, because of the way you might hold your fingers. I find that funny.
  • Baby’s mouth should open wide; try to aim your nipple towards the roof of baby’s mouth.
  • Try a football hold instead of the traditional cross body hold
  • Make sure you and baby are tummy to tummy, that baby’s head is not turned at an angle, and that baby’s neck is stretched in a “sniffing” pose, instead of chin tucked down.
  • Hold babies chin down when latching to make sure their mouth is open wide enough.
  • Make sure baby's lower lip is rolled out and not in over their bottom gum. Gently pull baby's chin down with your thumb while he nurses.
  • Bad news for those of us with stitches: the side lying position can be the hardest one to get right.
  • Latch training is hard work! If the latch isn’t right, break the latch and start over again. You have to be militant for baby to learn and nipples to heal.

Keeping Baby Awake to Feed
  • Take off baby’s clothes so they aren’t too comfortable. You can even use a wet washcloth to keep him awake (sounds harsh, but I did this with Dylan).
  • The grasping instinct and the sucking instinct are linked. Hold baby’s fingers and as s/he grasps your finger, s/he will also suck.
  • Pull baby’s hand and arm up and away from their side. They will feel like they are being pulled away from the breast and instinctively start sucking again (courtesy of University of WA lactation consultants).
  • Compress the breast while baby is sucking. Squeeze gently to express milk into their mouth, then release. This keeps the milk flow going and keeps them more interested in the project. (courtesy of University of WA lactation consultants).
  • Is baby actually eating or comfort nursing? Watch his jaw and throat. You should be able to see a series of sucks and then a swallow. If baby is just comfort nursing, there will be a series of fluttering sucks, but no swallow.

Position: The Football Hold
The football hold helps when you're having trouble with latching. Situate baby at your side, tucked under your arm like a football with their body curved around you, under your arm. Then, line up baby's nose with the tip of your nipple which should naturally put baby's bottom lip at the edge of your areola. Your hand should be at the base of his head. When your baby opens his mouth really wide, "pull" him over the nipple, trying to get his upper lip to reach the edge of the areola (opposite the lower lip).

Position: Side-lying
Great for nighttime feeding, but can be challenging to get a good latch until baby is 4 weeks old or so and has better neck control. WARNING: it's very easy to fall asleep in this position and you cannot always trust baby to maintain a good latch.

Engorgement
  • Cabbage leaves can help relieve the pain of engorgement. One DDC member noted that overuse can actually impact milk supply, so be careful.
  • If you need to pump to relieve engorgement slightly, do so only once per 24 hour period. Otherwise you give your body the message that you actually need all that milk, and it will create an oversupply.

It Might Not Be Hunger…
Other things that make baby cry and want to nurse besides hunger:
  • Gas
  • Wet or poopy diaper
  • Flailing limbs: some babies sleep better when swaddled, and swaddling with arms up by the face may let them self-soothe without waking themselves up.
  • Worried about global warming
  • ??

OTHER RESOURCES
Books:
The Nursing Mother's Companion, by Kathleen Huggins
The Breastfeeding Book, by Martha Sears
The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding, by the La Leche League
The Ultimate Book of Breastfeeding Answers, by Jack Newman

Websites:
Kellymom
Breast Feeding Made Simple
Breast-Feeding Online (features articles by Jack Newman, and videos)
post #2 of 30


I can try and add some more later...nak and need to get ds from school.

perhaps a link to kellymom and newmans videos here?
post #3 of 30
Thread Starter 
Good ideas... also some good books that can be recommended.

Maybe anyone who wants to add or edit can quote the whole thing and add to it, and then when we feel like it is mostly complete we can ask for it to be stickied.
post #4 of 30
Thanks for this!! I was making adjustments while I was reading and naking!
post #5 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curlita View Post
Good ideas... also some good books that can be recommended.

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I love newmans book - i do think its the most comprehensive out there.
post #6 of 30
Make sure babies bottom lip is out and not rolled up when latching on-makes a huge difference on sore nipples.
post #7 of 30
I will sub to this for later reference.
post #8 of 30
great advice, I forgot about the tummy to tummy thing.
post #9 of 30
Thread Starter 
Bumping -- updated slightly
post #10 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curlita View Post
I'm compiling tips from other threads to help those of us who are having nursing challenges. Feel free to add other items, or other sections, or make suggestions, and we can try to get a complete list stickied. I will try to maintain this thread, but my mom is leaving tonight and I might not have much laptop time in the next couple days!

Help for Sore Nipples
  • Try to get more of your nipple in his mouth and make sure baby is latching well
  • You shouldn't need to hold your boob away from his face, babies noses are specially designed so that they can still breathe when they are nursing
  • A little lanolin on a breast pad after every feeding can help with tenderness and prevent chapping/cracking.
  • Hydrogel pads are great for broken skin. Soothies are the ones that I (Curlita) like the most – they are a life saver.
  • Let nipples air dry after a feeding.
  • Express a little breast milk onto the nipple and allow it to dry

Latching Tips
A bad latch is the most likely cause of soreness.
  • Get as much nipple in the mouth as possible.
  • Baby’s mouth should open wide; try to aim your nipple towards the roof of baby’s mouth.
  • Try a football hold instead of the traditional cross body hold
  • Make sure you and baby are tummy to tummy, that baby’s head is not turned at an angle, and that baby’s neck is stretched in a “sniffing” pose, instead of chin tucked down.
  • Hold babies chin down when latching to make sure their mouth is open wide enough.
  • Bad news for those of us with stitches: the side lying position can be the hardest one to get right.
  • Latch training is hard work! If the latch isn’t right, break the latch and start over again. You have to be militant for baby to learn and nipples to heal.

Keeping Baby Awake to Feed
  • Take off baby’s clothes so they aren’t too comfortable. You can even use a wet washcloth to keep him awake (sounds harsh, but I did this with Dylan).
  • The grasping instinct and the sucking instinct are linked. Hold baby’s fingers and as s/he grasps your finger, s/he will also suck.
  • Pull baby’s hand and arm up and away from their side. They will feel like they are being pulled away from the breast and instinctively start sucking again (courtesy of University of WA lactation consultants).
  • Compress the breast while baby is sucking. Squeeze gently to express milk into their mouth, then release. This keeps the milk flow going and keeps them more interested in the project. (courtesy of University of WA lactation consultants).

It Might Not Be Hunger…
Other things that make baby cry and want to nurse:
  • Gas
  • Wet or poopy diaper
  • Flailing limbs: some babies sleep better when swaddled, and swaddling with arms up by the face may let them self-soothe without waking themselves up.
  • Worried about global warming
  • ??
Sorry to jump in as a non-mom or pregnant yet, but I am a Lactation Consultant working on her IBCLC. Please go to Breastfeeding Made Simple for proper latch information.

When latching your baby on, you do not try to stuff the nipple into the mouth like you would a bottle. You get as much of the breast tissue into the mouth as possible so that the nipple will be at the junction of the soft and hard palates. This is usually done by aiming the nipple toward the nose of the baby and bringing the baby in chin first at the edge of the areola. The baby will instictively open his/her mouth (you've got to be patient for the wide open gape otherwise they can slurp onto your nipple and that will cause sore cracked bleeding nipples too) and then you hug the baby on. There is a wonderful video on the Ameda website as well. I just want to help with this because I've heard a lot about putting the nipple in the mouth from mothers with cracked and very sore nipples. We simply correct the latch and it's gravy after that....Good luck ladies! :
post #11 of 30
Kellymom is also a wonderful breastfeeding resource and I see that you have it on the OP. Great...
post #12 of 30
When milk comes in and breasts are engorged, you *may* have to compress the breast tissue to help baby get a proper latch. The breast may be too firm for baby to latch well...you can squeeze so that it fits into baby's mouth like a hamburger (compress breast so that it it flattened slightly and in same plane as baby's mouth, not perpendicular if that makes sense...?)
post #13 of 30
book: The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding from LLL
post #14 of 30
Just some thoughts about getting a good latch. I was incredibly sore with my first 2 babies, but I learned a little trick with my 3rd that has helped me with all the others.

First, I found that the football hold helps when you're having trouble with latching. Then, line up baby's nose with the tip of your nipple which should naturally put baby's bottom lip at the edge of your areola. Your hand should be at the base of his head. When your baby opens his mouth really wide, "pull" him over the nipple, trying to get his upper lip to reach the edge of the areola (opposite the lower lip). This should help keep your baby from just getting the tip of your nipple in is mouth which HURTS!!!!

After you have a pretty good latch, you need to make sure your baby's lips are not tucked in (kinda hard to explain???) Just tug gently at the bottom of his lip and gently above the top lip.
post #15 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curlita View Post
The Newman books (titles?)

Websites:
www.kellymom.com
Ultimate Breastfeeding Book of Answers by Jack Newman

newman videos and article can be found here
post #16 of 30
So much info, my brain is smoking. My nips are sore, so I guess I better start hanging out here ASAP and trying some of these things out.
post #17 of 30
THANK GOODNESS for this thread! I feel like an awful mama saying this but I was dreading every feeding because I have hickeys from so many bad latches... I seem to have gotten the hang of it but it was tough for a few days there. I am still hickey-riddled but they are not getting any worse.... it was very discouraging but I am feeling better.

Thanks for the tips!
post #18 of 30
I found the bruising today too. I don't think his latch is always right and partly I feel it's my fault because I have a hard time getting placement with these huge boobs. But I do now know I should be checking his bottom lip and changing positions on the breast each time so the pressure on certain parts of the nip changes.
post #19 of 30
Thread Starter 
Updated! Bumping for additions, or just your glowing admiration.
post #20 of 30
Thread Starter 
Bumping this to remind folks it is here and get feedback... I PMed our moderator about getting this stickied, but haven't heard anything back. If folks feel like it has value as a sticky, and know something I don't about getting things stickied, let me know.

Hope there is less and less need for this thread as the weeks go by.
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