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Three months in - still having adjustment issues p/k  

post #1 of 11
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My girls turned four at the end of Sept. They have been home with me all their lives, until late August.

I went back to work, they went to the preschool associated with the local university where I work. I picked it because of small class size, low teacher/student ratio, and the director's enthusiasm about working with twins.

Three months in we have daily heavy crying at drop-off (starts in the car as I turn on to the street where the school is; the girls do not interact with the other children much during the day; and their lead teacher (also the school's director) appears frustrated with the situation. I keep hearing "I've never had this before" from her, and also her feeling is that the girls' relationship with each other is about power and control, as opposed to bond.

In many other respects I love this school. The girls play school constantly when we are not there, talk about it very happily (and constantly), and sometimes when I come to pick them up they ask to stay and play longer - which we do.

Somehow there's something I'm looking for that I'm not getting, but since this is my first experience with a school I'm not sure if it's realistic.

For example, I ALWAYS arrive just before they turn on the lights at the end of nap time. Two days ago time got away from me and I got there a couple of minutes after they turned the lights on. The girls were crying and upset when I got there. The teacher's comment was that they were "traumatized" and that "the littlest things set them off." The next day when I arrived at the usual time her first comment to me was "well they won, you came on time!"

I think that encapsulates the perspective I disagree with. However, my perspective has generally been that this is, indeed, the perspective of schools and teachers, that if I am choosing to school my children then this is what I get.

But I'm wondering if it's possible that there would be a school that would interact differently with my children. In my rather extensive search for schools, this one seemed the mildest of all of the many many many in how they dealt with children. There are no time outs, no punitive consequences for anything really. It's just this view that what happens between teachers and/or parents and children (and in the case of my two, between the children) is about power and establishing power as a specific means to establishing independence in the child. I don't know. I expected it, that's really the basic reason I was going to homeschool. But life has changed and I love my work now and I love that my girls have a place to go that is just for them - I'm just not clear on how to handle this situation and if there might be hope for a better adjustment elsewhere, combined with a different view of relationships.

I'm also quite willing to see that since I expected a certain view from the school, that's what I'm seeing. I'm open to changing what I expect and looking for that too.

It's just that I REALLY didn't expect daily heavy crying and complete lack of interaction this far in. And I thought I had picked carefully to avoid the power struggle as establishment of authority type of place.

I'm rambling late at night. Thanks for any insights you might have. Overall this transition has been positive, and I am not interested in returning to what we did before August. I am interested in helping set up an environment where my girls will feel - well really I'd settle for content in the mornings and safe to interact or not through the day.
post #2 of 11
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Thanks for the 43 views!

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post #3 of 11
It's hard to say about the crying - have you talked to the girls about it?

For the power struggle I think the comments would worry me less than how the teacher is approaching these issues. If the girls are upset when you're not there, how does she handle it?
post #4 of 11
That's rough! to you all.

In regards to the crying - I would talk to the girls like the PP suggested. It can be really casual - my DS2 was like that at school (for the first two weeks and I thought that was long!) and I would ask things like, "What was your favourite thing that you did today in school? What was your least favourite?" so that I wasn't focusing on bad. It could be related to how the teachers think they should interact with the other kids.

On the interaction part - my nephews are twins and they have no other siblings. They too, at age 4, would have mostly played with each other, especially in a group situation. As they have gotten older, they have branched out a bit but they really do prefer each other as playmates (well, they're 12 now so they don't really "play" - or at least admit to it ). I think it's perfectly normal behaviour for twins and I don't think they should be forced to play with others. They could be feeling the pressure to play with others and therefore, even though they like school for the most part, there is something about it that they don't like.

Can you meet with the teachers and let them know that you only want your girls to do what feels comfortable for them? You can also let them know that you are not enjoying the "power" language they are using with you. It seems threatening to me - like they are trying to pressure you to change or something. If anyone likes "power" in that situation, it seems like it's the preschool teachers.

Good luck - I wish I had more to offer but I feel kind of stuck in the same situation myself with my DS2 and preschool this year and you know how it is when you are stuck in a place and can't see past it... PM me if you are interested in hearing about it - I don't want to hijack your thread.
post #5 of 11
With whom is this theoretical power issue? Is it the twins having a power issue with you?

Hope it gets better soon. ((hugs))
post #6 of 11
Lot of kids cry at the school doorstep, even in November. Do they cry once you are gone? If not, I would not worry about it. Expect the crying to be worse in January after the Christmas break. Make sure they are getting enough sleep and make your goodbyes quick. If you make them long and drawn-out, you are giving them additional reason to believe that they need to treat this as a big deal.

Regarding your being late after their nap, I would expect my daughter, non-twin, to react exactly the same way. If she always sees me at a certain time every day and then I don't show up (especially after waking up), it is traumatic for her. But it is also completely normal for us moms to be late some of the time so don't feel bad about it. THey will get over it.

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I keep hearing "I've never had this before" from her, and also her feeling is that the girls' relationship with each other is about power and control, as opposed to bond.
Have you considered the teacher's opinion seriously? If she has never seen this before, maybe she has a point. I am not sure what she means when she says that the girls' relationship is about "power" (maybe that the twins think that there is power in being two and that they can reject everyone else around them?) but I do think that it would be healthy for both of them to interact with other children. A very strong (maybe even the principal) component of my daughter's preschool curriculum is "learning to live together". It seems like your girls are not getting this component. And consider it from the teacher's point of view: She is trying to build a little community of kids working and playing together and has to deal with two who insist on going it alone.

Have you considered getting them used to playing separately? For example, one goes out with mommy while the other goes on a playdate with another child from the preschool? I would do this regularly. In fact I would do everything possible to get each of your girls bonded with other children in the class. Down the road, I would even seriously consider putting them in separate classes. :
post #7 of 11
My DS (also age 4) started pre-K about 8 weeks ago, and while he wasn't crying at drop-off past the first 2 weeks, he was still crying at home about school a lot, and we had ongoing issues with anxiety transitioning from the weekends to the school week - lots of crying and negativity about school in general.

When I would talk to his teacher, she said that he was doing fine in school. After hearing about his continued unhappiness at home, she was always surprised, saying that he seemed happy enough at school.

One big problem that I know of is that he doesn't nap, and I always felt that they put the kids (4-5 year olds) down at 12:30 PM for nap. I knew there was no way that he would ever sleep, ans whilh e has slept occasionally, he is usually forced to lie on his mat for more than 2 hours Monday-Thursday.

I advocated for the teachers to adjust his nap situation and they said they would... but after I investigated further I found out that they have different aides in there every day for nap supervision and they all have different rules. So poor DS never knew what to expect... one day he would be allowed to get up and do an activity (this was my agreement with the daycare per their policy handbook) and the next he would be forced to stay on his mat with nothing to do, depending on who was in there. I was wasting a lot of energy fighting with the day care and showing up early... and finally on Friday I decided I was done.

I've found another preschool for DS and I can only hope that this one is better! I am not looking forward to the transition (again... sigh) but I can only hope that this school is more in tune with the students needs. One thing I did look for was a shorter, later naptime with alternate activities available after a reasonable amount of time. I then visited during naptime and saw that there were indeed children who were awake but who were playing with toys quietly on their mats.

So if your DDs are not happy I think I would look for another school at this point... you've given it a long time to get better, and it sounds like the teachers are being really negative towards your DDs because they don't like the crying and think they are manipulating you. I would be upset if I thought they were imparting that information to my child, even subtly.

Best of luck!
post #8 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the many thoughts, lots here to think about.

ETA: separating anxious twins is not something I am going to do. For any reason. Thanks though CMLP. Posting that just in case anyone pg with twins is reading. At this point in US educational policy, mostly twins are forced apart from the beginning, and mostly this is hugely detrimental. Particularly in cases of very high anxiety, no current research into twins and education shows any benefit whatsoever. Those wanting to know more on that aspect of the subject can visit us over at the Parenting Multiples forum. There is a movement afoot to actually legislate parental choice in the matter. It is going state by state. Slowly.
post #9 of 11
My twin boys were in a child care center from age 1 until K; at that time they started an after-school program at a different center. I asked the school to put them in the same K class, since they had never been apart before. The school was very open to that. We talked with the teachers and the boys before 1st grade, and everyone agreed that separate classrooms would be fine.

I HATE policies that don't allow for individual differences.
post #10 of 11
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ETA: separating anxious twins is not something I am going to do. For any reason. Thanks though CMLP. Posting that just in case anyone pg with twins is reading. At this point in US educational policy, mostly twins are forced apart from the beginning, and mostly this is hugely detrimental. Particularly in cases of very high anxiety, no current research into twins and education shows any benefit whatsoever. Those wanting to know more on that aspect of the subject can visit us over at the Parenting Multiples forum. There is a movement afoot to actually legislate parental choice in the matter. It is going state by state. Slowly.
Note that I said "Down the road...". I would not do it right away but I would consider it for later years. I don't have twins but I did grow up with twins in my classes at school, both together and separated. I think in grade school and definitely junior high, it gives twins breathing space and a chance to develop individually when they are not with their sibling all the time. One thing I noticed with twins being together was that one always seemed to overshadow the other but that is perhaps a separate issue.
post #11 of 11
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Update

Well!

I got to school to pick up the girls today and -

Director/teacher came over and said she had talked to Ali (who has been doing most of the crying recently). She said what they are going to do from tomorrow is have a quick walk in, Miss J will give her a quick hug, and then will take her off to do something. She won't be left alone or allowed to go on crying. If she feels sad they will help her draw pictures and write stories about feeling sad. I didn't say much because this was all very much a relief to me, but I did say I had been talking about this and thinking about it and wanting to discuss it at the parent/teacher conference coming up, and she immediately said, "Oh no, we're going to keep trying! We'll try anything! We're going to keep at it!" Then she gave Anni a big hug and complimented her on finding her own solution to the screaming she was doing - she sits for a while and then jumps in when she's ready. Anni ate it up. Ali clearly felt sort of shy about all this new deal but she agreed to it very readily. When we were leaving we all reviewed the plan for tomorrow, did a little "hooray!" about it, and Ali nodded and sort of smiled. I think she's relieved to have a plan. I know I am.

I feel SOOOOO much better that the teacher actually took it upon herself to address this directly with Ali. She also said her concern this morning (though I didn't mention how she was coming across to me, which was angry) was that the other children, who up to this point have been very supportive and comforting, were starting to label and tease her. And she wants to be VERY proactive in how she deals with Ali so that Ali doesn't miss a chance to get integrated into the group.

May I just say "Whew!"
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