Do peds turn a profit on vaxes? - Page 3

[holly6737]

I think it's *much* less about trusting doctors as it is about trusting scientific research.

[transformed]

tell me what the point of a well baby visit is? (Seriously...I am on kid #3 and I still havent figured it out...every 3 months...???)

[holly6737]

WBV are used to give vaxes and for screening purposes. They track weight/ height, development, etc. I don't think they're negative, but I also don't think they're really necessary- especially if you wouldn't treat a kid who was underweight or had developmental problems anyway. Like I said, though, you can get vaxes at the health department for free, no WBV involved. Many parents LIKE WBV. Otherwise, they wouldn't go. I know parents who don't take their kids to WBVs. It's not a big deal.

[Jen_in_NH]

I don't know about other states, but in NH, the docs don't make or lose money on the vaccines themselves - the state supplies the required ones for kids under 18.

[WillyMom]

Medical students are NOT trained by any company.
Peds are NOT giving vaccines to hurt children.
There must be something wrong with doctors is right. I personally would never go through 15 years of working 80 hours a week at low pay and gathering debt. Unless of course it allowed me access to hurt all the little children!

[mykdsmomy]

Originally Posted by WillyMom

Medical students are NOT trained by any company.
Peds are NOT giving vaccines to hurt children.
There must be something wrong with doctors is right. I personally would never go through 15 years of working 80 hours a week at low pay and gathering debt. Unless of course it allowed me access to hurt all the little children!

No one here has implied that dr's are out to harm children on purpose.

I dont believe Dr's are evil. I believe MANY dr's have heads larger than can fit through a double door BUT....I dont believe they are intentionally out to hurt anyone. They are kind of a pawn used by Pharma. They have been indoctrinated with all kinds of lies by pharma who wants to sell them their drugs. pharma has a HUGE interest in keeping dr's aware of all the new wonder drugs coming out. Some dr's can weed through most of them but many want to help their patients so they prescribe something that helps one symptom but causes a whole list of others.......eh, i'm getting off track ....it's a whole nother thread there....

[holly6737]

Originally Posted by mykdsmomy

No one here has implied that dr's are out to harm children on purpose.

This has been not only implied, but stated directly. Maybe go back and read some of the posts?

[gretasmommy]

Well . . . .: . . ..I love what I do (many here already know I am a pediatrician). And the debt, the long hours . . .it's worth it to enjoy your life - isn't that what we all do as parents? Long hours, no monetary reimbursement, but so worth it in many, many ways!


I won't debate vaccines with you here, but I will say that in general offices take a loss on vaccines unless they are state supplied. As for well baby visits, most parents I see love them - they get to show off their kids and their accomplishments, ask questions, share concerns, and hopefully leave feeling good about things. Equally important, when they return at some point with a sick child, we know one another, and their ill child has shared smiles and laughs with me during better times - this makes the sick visits go soooooo much more easily.

It's the rare visit with families that I leave without smiling and feeling so blessed that I am able to take part in their care. I just love being a pediatrician, and fell honored that the parents in my practice allow me to be a part of their families. I love the kids who run up and hug me when I drop my daughter off at school - and yes, I have even vaccinated many of these kids, and they are still so happy to see me.

We really aren't all bad people, interested only in money and hurting children. It's threads like this (where people assume the absolute worst about others - and some of those "others" are actually a part of this NFL group!!!)that make me question this community as a whole, despite the amazing women I have met here, and the invaluable support I have received from them.

[WillyMom]

Greatasmom,
Thanks for your post!

And Mykdsmommy, there actually ARE posts here saying peds are out to hurt children

[gretasmommy]

You're welcome!!

And thank you for not bashing docs with the rest of 'em!

I honestly try to avoid these threads and the vax forum for the most part, as they just get me too worked up. It's a shame, because there is a lot of useful discussion there, but it is so permeated by stereotyping and name calling . . .

Thanks for standing out with me!

[mykdsmomy]

Originally Posted by WillyMom

And Mykdsmommy, there actually ARE posts here saying peds are out to hurt children

Where is the post that says "Peds are out to hurt children"?

[mykdsmomy]

Originally Posted by gretasmommy

And thank you for not bashing docs with the rest of 'em!

I honestly try to avoid these threads and the vax forum for the most part, as they just get me too worked up. It's a shame, because there is a lot of useful discussion there, but it is so permeated by stereotyping and name calling . . .

Thanks for standing out with me!

If you had been a parent who has been lied to or talked down to, then maybe you would understand the "stereotyping" around here. I am very well aware that there are wonderful dr's out there. I have had the pleasure to work with a few very caring dr's who have helped us out during a sick time. I have to say though, looking back, most of the dr's that I've encountered over my lifetime have either 1. lied to me 2. dismissed me 3. violated me (as a teenager) or 4. just plain wouldnt listen to me when I tried to tell them what was wrong with my 1. grandma 2. son.....I was right on both counts.....Many dr's were wrong and now my grandma is dead and my son has a life long colon complication......

[WillyMom]

Originally Posted by transformed

Because immigrants are disease ridden. (not rolling at you, rolling at whomever is "pushing")

Ok, this is going to be a strech for some, and pretty reasonable for others...sounds a little conspiricy but it makes sense to me:

The docs dont actually loose money in the long run because after they vax the kids, the kids come down with all kinds of fun and chronic diseases, due to having a weakened immune system. Like Asthma. How much money does each asthmatic make the doc!? ALOT A FRIGGIN LOT.

Jenny

here

[prettypixels]

Originally Posted by gretasmommy

Well . . . .: . . ..I love what I do (many here already know I am a pediatrician). And the debt, the long hours . . .it's worth it to enjoy your life - isn't that what we all do as parents? Long hours, no monetary reimbursement, but so worth it in many, many ways!


I won't debate vaccines with you here, but I will say that in general offices take a loss on vaccines unless they are state supplied. As for well baby visits, most parents I see love them - they get to show off their kids and their accomplishments, ask questions, share concerns, and hopefully leave feeling good about things. Equally important, when they return at some point with a sick child, we know one another, and their ill child has shared smiles and laughs with me during better times - this makes the sick visits go soooooo much more easily.

It's the rare visit with families that I leave without smiling and feeling so blessed that I am able to take part in their care. I just love being a pediatrician, and fell honored that the parents in my practice allow me to be a part of their families. I love the kids who run up and hug me when I drop my daughter off at school - and yes, I have even vaccinated many of these kids, and they are still so happy to see me.

We really aren't all bad people, interested only in money and hurting children. It's threads like this (where people assume the absolute worst about others - and some of those "others" are actually a part of this NFL group!!!)that make me question this community as a whole, despite the amazing women I have met here, and the invaluable support I have received from them.

What an excellent post, thank you for speaking up and sharing. I really appreciate it. You said so well the reason many of us do choose to go to WBV's! Anyways, there are more than one of us standing with you

[prettypixels]

Originally Posted by Deborah

Wow PP! Please supply examples of anti-vax organizations denouncing Dr. Wakefield. I try to keep up with all this, and I sure haven't seen anything of the sort.

Deborah, when I was pregnant I would've had the time to sit and unearth a long list of links for you. However now I have a crazy ten month old and I don't have time to do anything! But I believe it revolved around the fact that he stood to make money from providing bad "evidence" about the MMR....

"Nine months before Andrew Wakefield and London's Royal Free hospital medical school unleashed a global scare over the safety of the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine, they filed, on June 5 1997, the first of a string of patent applications for theoretically vastly profitable products which could only succeed if MMR's reputation was damaged. These included a purported safer measles vaccine - a competitor to MMR - and treatments for bowel disease and autism. "

http://briandeer.com/wakefield-deer.htm
This info is easy to obtain on many websites.

Shucks he was trying to push his OWN VACCINE... I cannot imagine anti-vaxers lining up behind THAT. :

[Deborah]

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=757172

This thread gives a pretty good explanation of why there is some hostility towards doctors.

There are excellent, kind, patient and concerned doctors. There are doctors who mock, humiliate and lie to people, too. It happened to me 39 years ago when I brought my daughter in with a skin problem. The doctor and nurse were making fun of me for not vaccinating, and implying that my daughter's skin problem was a natural result of my being a non-conforming parent. This sort of experience leaves a deep mark.

My daughter was fired from her pediatrician's practice for refusing to vaccinate her daughter. Her kids now see an excellent family practitioner.

We don't just make up the problems. If only.

[amnesiac]

Closed for tonight.