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Lead in vaccines....a possiblity?

post #1 of 38
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Does anyone know where the majority of vaccines are manufactured? Is it mostly in the US (for the vax's we use?)

If so, how are they made? Would there be a possibility of lead contamination? Have they been tested for lead?

Just thinkin out loud.....
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post #3 of 38
I would love to know my friend has a son who has autism. They have done some chelating (sp) and he spills HUGE amounts of lead in his urine. He was vaxed up till 2yrs and had meningitis at 7 weeks w/ IV antibiotics. they have lived in a new(er) home so he wasnt environmently exposed so WHERE did the lead come from?
post #4 of 38
have you searched google?


Where would vaccines come into contact with lead? They are made in sterile laboratories. The ingredients are listed. They are not using ceramic, lead-incrusted pottery or Dora plastic bowls or anything like that. Think about it logically - where would they even come into contact with lead?

As opposed to the boy mentioned above. The boy could have gotten lead from toys, from canned foods, from a variety of sources. There are umpteen potential sources of lead in a house, even a new one. His family should have the health department help them track the source.
post #5 of 38
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Originally Posted by yellowpansy View Post
have you searched google?


Where would vaccines come into contact with lead? They are made in sterile laboratories. The ingredients are listed. They are not using ceramic, lead-incrusted pottery or Dora plastic bowls or anything like that. Think about it logically - where would they even come into contact with lead?

As opposed to the boy mentioned above. The boy could have gotten lead from toys, from canned foods, from a variety of sources. There are umpteen potential sources of lead in a house, even a new one. His family should have the health department help them track the source.
I have searched google .....didnt come up with anything. YP, do you know exactly what type of equipment they make vaccines in? Do you know what they are made of/with?
post #6 of 38
Just thought I'd chime in. My three year old is unvaxed and had lead poisoning. We have been detoxing him and it's working, although he still is overcoming symptoms of being on the autism spectrum. We have racked our brains trying to figure out where he got the lead.

Daisy
post #7 of 38
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Just thought I'd chime in. My three year old is unvaxed and had lead poisoning. We have been detoxing him and it's working, although he still is overcoming symptoms of being on the autism spectrum. We have racked our brains trying to figure out where he got the lead.
When my son was two, we tested his blood lead levels. He scored high. I don't know about other places, but California law dictates that a clinician making such a discovery has reporting responsibilities, so county environmental health got involved right away. It turned into a bit of a fiasco, actually, and cost some people quite a bit of money (the source most strongly implicated was paint, probably mostly in the dirt around the outside of the house we lived in at the time; we moved almost immediately).

His blood lead levels (27.5 mics per deciliter) were not high enough to justify chelation (a process which can be pretty dangerous in its own right), but we were naturally concerned about the possibility of brain damage. He's in sixth grade now, and he's a happy, well-adjusted youngster with SATs in the high nineties across the board.

As far as I know, there's no lead in any vaccine.
post #8 of 38
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Originally Posted by yellowpansy View Post
Where would vaccines come into contact with lead? They are made in sterile laboratories. The ingredients are listed. They are not using ceramic, lead-incrusted pottery or Dora plastic bowls or anything like that. Think about it logically - where would they even come into contact with lead?
That is ironic. When I first read about the ingredients in vaccines (ca 10 yrs ago) I told my son and wife (both MD's) that I have read that there is either lead or mercury in vaccines. I could not remember because it seemed berserk either way.

They basically laughed at me and said: ABSOLUTELY NO WAY!
Then they elaborated about the dire consequences of having either one of those chemicals injected. They drew a very bleak picture. Called a friend who was a ped, (because I insisted that I knew what I had read) and again, same reaction.

Turned out they were all three misinformed.

Lead in vaccines? Now it seems alright to have mercury in there, why is it so impossible that they use lead in one of the stages of manufacturing vaccines and filter it out?
post #9 of 38
There are an awful lot of sources of lead around, especially from paint, but also in the soil (remember leaded gasoline).

My gd tested high from lead once. They live in an old house, did some remodeling and discovered that there was lead paint from a room they were redoing tracked all over the place, with a crawling babe in the house. It all worked out well. They were moved out of the house while a team came in and fixed all of the lead problems, and on her next test my gd was okay again. Apparently she had cleared the lead from her system on her own.

She is now a very bright kid and almost 8 years old.

There may be a lot of crap in vaccines, but I don't think lead is part of it. One thing that ought to be studied though, is if vaccines make it harder to clear lead out of a baby's system. Or perhaps it is the Tylenol? I know there is something that undermines the ability of the body to clear toxins. Messes up glutathione pathways?
post #10 of 38
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Lead in vaccines? Now it seems alright to have mercury in there, why is it so impossible that they use lead in one of the stages of manufacturing vaccines and filter it out?
So we should assume that vaccines contain lead because it doesn't seem impossible to you that they might contain it?

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One thing that ought to be studied though, is if vaccines make it harder to clear lead out of a baby's system.
Infants are particularly at risk for lead exposure simply because they are infants. It's not just that every cotton-pickin' thing they find laying around goes right in their mouths, it's that the body mistakes lead for calcium, and their developing bodies are particularly calcium-hungry. When blood lead levels go down, it's partly because some of the lead has been taken up by bone tissue. Vaccinated or not, lead and babies just don't mix.
post #11 of 38
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So we should assume that vaccines contain lead because it doesn't seem impossible to you that they might contain it?
No. Not at all.
But do we know all the micro-residue of the processes of manufacturing vaccines?

It was impossible to even imagine mercury in vaccines 10 yrs ago. Even for pediatricians. Now it seems ok though. They got used to it and have even learned to defend it.
post #12 of 38
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But do we know all the micro-residue of the processes of manufacturing vaccines?
This is the extended version of what is known as the appeal to ignorance: "we can't know that every dose of every vaccine will be entirely free of an atom or molecule of just about any substance we care to posit, therefore we can't know that they don't contain lead".

In the first place, we aren't talking about "all the micro-residue of the processes of manufacturing vaccines", we're talking about lead. In the second place, to any approximation approaching a degree of practical value, it can be said definitively that there's no lead in vaccines. Due to the lack of evidence in support of this allegation, the objection is sustained, and the jury is instructed to disregard ... but will they?

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It was impossible to even imagine mercury in vaccines 10 yrs ago.
Impossible for whom? It's not like thimerosal was suddenly discovered to be present in vaccines; it was deliberately put there to prevent bacterial contamination. The shift in imagination had to do with the possible implications, and a growing body of evidence suggests that the more serious implications thus far imagined may remain within the realm of imagination forever.
post #13 of 38
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This is the extended version of what is known as the appeal to ignorance: "we can't know that every dose of every vaccine will be entirely free of an atom or molecule of just about any substance we care to posit, therefore we can't know that they don't contain lead".

In the first place, we aren't talking about "all the micro-residue of the processes of manufacturing vaccines", we're talking about lead. In the second place, to any approximation approaching a degree of practical value, it can be said definitively that there's no lead in vaccines. Due to the lack of evidence in support of this allegation, the objection is sustained, and the jury is instructed to disregard ... but will they?

Impossible for whom? It's not like thimerosal was suddenly discovered to be present in vaccines; it was deliberately put there to prevent bacterial contamination. The shift in imagination had to do with the possible implications, and a growing body of evidence suggests that the more serious implications thus far imagined may remain within the realm of imagination forever.
Dynamic.....What are vaccines made in? What type of equipment?
post #14 of 38
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Dynamic.....What are vaccines made in? What type of equipment?
I am taking an educated guess, and a scientist can correct me if I am wrong, that vaccines are made in sterile glass.
post #15 of 38
Just read the package inserts, it's clearly laid out in the very first section of each insert.
The short answer is, a combination of sterile glass flasks and tubes, growth media which are made up of amino acids, mineral salts, and sometimes animal tissue or serum, and then there's the occasional contact with lab-sterile stainless steel.
Those sterility conditions assume that the lab always follows protocol and always does everything right.
Contamination can occur, but they go to great lengths to avoid it.
post #16 of 38
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Originally Posted by mykdsmomy View Post
What are vaccines made in? What type of equipment?
It doesn't look like you've quite grasped the nature of the objection I've raised here. Accepting the burden of proof and running off to dig up whatever details you might specify would amount to an implicit validation of the appeal to ignorance as a rational argument, and an invitation to repeat the exercise with whatever other substance you'd care to name. Does watching television negatively impact immunity? Can you prove that it doesn't? Has this been studied? Is it possible that Mountain Dew contains lead, or cadmium, or arsenic, or beryllium, or uranium, or invisible nanobots? If you don't know that it doesn't, isn't it fair to say that it is possible? And since it is possible, shouldn't Mountain Dew be banned pending further investigation of each of these possibilities? Aren't we ultimately looking at an infinite number of possibilities?
post #17 of 38
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It doesn't look like you've quite grasped the nature of the objection I've raised here. Accepting the burden of proof and running off to dig up whatever details you might specify would amount to an implicit validation of the appeal to ignorance as a rational argument, and an invitation to repeat the exercise with whatever other substance you'd care to name. Does watching television negatively impact immunity? Can you prove that it doesn't? Has this been studied? Is it possible that Mountain Dew contains lead, or cadmium, or arsenic, or beryllium, or uranium, or invisible nanobots? If you don't know that it doesn't, isn't it fair to say that it is possible? And since it is possible, shouldn't Mountain Dew be banned pending further investigation of each of these possibilities? Aren't we ultimately looking at an infinite number of possibilities?
I'm sorry if you've misunderstood my original question. I am just wondering what type of equipment they manufacture vaccines in. I'm wondering if there is a possibility of lead contamination.
post #18 of 38
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I would love to know my friend has a son who has autism. They have done some chelating (sp) and he spills HUGE amounts of lead in his urine. He was vaxed up till 2yrs and had meningitis at 7 weeks w/ IV antibiotics. they have lived in a new(er) home so he wasnt environmently exposed so WHERE did the lead come from?
Very possibly from his mother, especially if her body detoxed during pregnancy or breastfeeding.
post #19 of 38
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I'm sorry if you've misunderstood my original question.
I wasn't really treating your question as the "original question", but one which was following in the same vein as Gitti's: "do we know all the micro-residue of the processes of manufacturing vaccines?". Even the OP's question may be considered an instance of the same class, all members of which take the form of an appeal to ignorance, and include an (often tacit) assumption which reduces to some version of: "we don't know everything it might be possible to know about vaccines and their effects, therefore vaccines should be regarded as unsafe". My point is that we don't know everything about anything, and never will, but this does not lead us to regard as generally unsafe most of the products we use (including those we consume), even when we are not familiar with every detail of their manufacture.

By their nature, vaccines are held to a higher standard than are many other types of product, and where safety is concerned, the burden of proof is high. Huge amounts of money and time are in fact dedicated to meeting this burden. What I think a thread like this one illustrates is that for some, it is a burden that can never be met, because science will never be able to keep pace with imagination.
post #20 of 38
Taken competely out of context, but this is one statement I totally agree with:


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"we don't know everything it might be possible to know about vaccines and their effects, therefore vaccines should be regarded as unsafe"


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