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post #1 of 13
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i am posting this same post -- kinda -- in Breastfeeding to see if this sounds like a BF issue to anyone ............

first let me note i am going nuts with two constantly unhappy crying fussy kids ..................both crying right now actually but i am finally at a loss

Charles had been a very content child, eating every 2 or 3 hours, sleeping, no crying, little squawking ...

i was able to put him in the bouncy and feed Theo, to the swing and shower with Theo

then this week

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he was 3 week last monday -- and start Wed, I have a differnt baby ....

granted he is awake more than he was before, so maybe he just doesn't know what to do with himself awake? but then why the fussy when asleep too ??

he wants to eat ALL THE TIME, like he is starved ... but then a lot of the time he spits up all the over the fill line milk, and then wants to nurse more. no more 2 or 3 hours break between feeds either and no more predictablity ..... i used to be able to offer the boob at 11:30, get him to eat 20 to 30 minutes, then be able to lay T down to noon nap and know C would wait 2 or even 3 hours to eat again .... now i feed him at 11:30 to 12 and at 12:30 or so he is crying to eat again :

before teh last few days he never cried to eat at all anyway -- just cued it -- rooting, looking, opening his mouth ..... now the cried are his FIRST sign, not his last .....

growth suprt at 4 weeks, not 6????? but then why the MOODY stuff, CRANKY stuff .... I would think GS would just be more eating ....

he cries all the time, no matter how i hold him, rock him, walk him, bounce him ..... and i mean CRIES not mraknt and not swquak ...

---- i do not remember this usdden personality, total behavior change, with Theo, ever ----

he keeps making faces like he has a bad taest in his mouth, coughing, supttering and gagging -- all this really makes him cry.

acid reflux??????????

this week he LOST 6 oz ..... after gaining 4 ot 6 oz every 4 or 5 days for the first 3 week .............

he cries and cries and squirms and kicks each and every time he fills diaper -- liek for 10 to 15 minutes before .,.... but pooping doesn't really help, cuts in 1/2 the unhappyness maybe but doesn't fix it.......

I don't know what to do ............. i don't understand this sudden change .......

last night i even tried a binki ...... .... he took it for about 5 minutes, didn't help the fussyness and flat refused it the other two times offer -- woudl not open mouth. ......................Theo is a binki baby due to GRE, nurseing till he was sick 10+ times a day, and screaming himself sick when i could not hold him (car seat and so on). he just NEEDS to suck about 23.5 hours a day -- still at 2. I admit it i did not want o give it to him ... hate older kids with them, visually. i know the need is really. dh wants to take them from Theo now, i refuse, he'll give them up when he need is met (I hope) ....... i am though soooooooooooooooooo tired of all his pictures having binkis in them soooooooooo tired. but i had a freind who took her son's binkis at 2 on the dot, that was Dec, then in Feb she has a 2nd son, and she told me how much se regretted taking P's binki, he had them nap and bed old, cuz P's sleep got sooooooooooooooooooooo messed up with baby M and no binki made it that much worse.......... so i refused to Take T'd binki, and i will give C one if he needed it but i kinda hope not ..............

I have tired Gripe Water -- 2 does last night and two today .... doesn't seem to make ANY differnce what so ever.

I am going to stop my milk supplement (from wishgarden) to see if tha tis it -- but the rec dose is 2 or 3 droppers 4 times a day -- i take one dropper once a day .....

but now i am going from one crying child to another crying child and then back al night -- 7 pm on is meltdown around here -- i go back and forth never really able to meet the needs of eaither one, just chilling them out long enough to go to the other one till the first one is frantic again and the 2nd a little calm ....................................i did feel like i had a grip on having the two ................ not now.

Charles used to nurse, then lay and gaze and then fall asleep .......... since this week he pretty much will NOT sleep not touching me or DH -- we did not teach him this -- for three weeks he was contently sleeping in crib or cradle (with us at night but not on me, now he will only sleeop ion m) .................... it is getting impossible to get T to nap or bed because of it.

he acts like he is starving all the time... i know he is not. i can still pump lots of milk, and i can hand express milk AAFTER he eats, he always has milk in his mouth and on his lips and drolling down his chin while eating too. he has a lot of very wet diapers, he has enough poopy dipares, i hear him swallowing, and i feel let down in both boobs when he nureses ... soooooooo he IS getting milk and he is meeting all teh "getting enough" marks too ........he is still a PITA about opening him mouth for the boob no matter how upset he is acting.

I am at a loss .................. and feeling like a total faiuler as a mom

thoughts on what is wrong or how to fix it

ETA -- did i mention i have not had a shower in 3 days or clean clothing in 2 ..........
Aimee
post #2 of 13


Wish I knew what would help.

What I would try next is getting a friend or family member to help at 7pm till he adjusts again!
post #3 of 13
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What I would try next is getting a friend or family member to help at 7pm till he adjusts again!
dh is home and does his best -- but Theo just wants to PLAY and get wound up and silly ... and Chalres just wants the boob ........... THAT doesn't get anyone to bed, including MOMMA.

DH tries really hard to get Theo to bed, but he really can't. Theo sees daddy as play and gets wouldn up .......... i have to put him to bed if i want it to happen before 11 ........ and ually the only reason it happnes THEN is cuz we all go to bedna d I hold both boys with Scott there too .

DH is great but -- not at pratical parenting (food, bath, bed) ... they play too much, OR Dh reverts to LEO and give verbal directions Theo can't floow "lay still, go to sleep" ... daddy doesn't have the touch i do to be mean, then sweet, then play oppossiun and wait Theo out .... besides Theo know that with Dad they will play ... i have to wait him out 20 minutes, dadddy can wait him out over an hour only to have him pop up again

and at night, even with DH here, Theo wants me. Scott could hold Charles and let me get T to bed -- we did it for 3 week -- but since Wed night Charles has SCREAMED the whole time ............ so as much as Scott tires, it doesn;'t seem to do anything but make both boys more unhappy, make me mad that i am not getting more help (i admit his istrying, but in the middle of it, i just get POed) and so i end up cycleing more and more and feeling worse and wrose abut myself and more and more stressed :

no other freinds or family with in 4 hours ..............

Dh will be working late tonight -- 2 or 3 or 4 am ......... so i am on my own for bed time (3rd time since C has been born) ...........

Aimee
post #4 of 13
not a lot of advice, just empathy. lots of nursing and no sleeping here, too.

i think there is a three week growth spurt, if i recall correctly. maybe that's it?
post #5 of 13
I hope that you can get some good advice on the Breast feeding board

This sounds a lot like what I went through with my son.
Almost identical. I think he was allergic to something that I was eating, but we were never able to figure it out.
I ended up switching to Formula when he was 5 months old, and he improved.

I really wish that I would have been able to figure out what the problem was...

Good Luck and hang in there.
post #6 of 13
empathy, empathy and more empathy from over here. I've got a kid on the boob a lot of the time it seems (ds1 has been asking for it a lot now too It makes it hard to get anything done. I've been letting the baby nap in his (bucket) car seat when possible because he seems to spit up a lot and he seems happier to be a bit more upright. I *have* to burp him after every feeding. He cluster feeds a lot too which sounds like what your charles is doing. It's frustrating, but not much we can do about it. My MIL used to say a baby often can't tell if he's hungry or has a stomach ache. I never experienced that with ds1 but with ds2, I totally understand. he acts like he wants to nurse *all the time*..all the cues, screaming etc. then I feed him and he vomits. I have started trying other methods of soothing first if he's eaten within 15 minutes of one of these episodes. Swaddling and being carried seem to work best for us. In fact I am going to buy a Mei Tei so I can carry him more comfortably. I know both my boys have been happiest when being worn.

Aimee. I know how frustrating it can be. Maybe some of the above will work for you? Remember, this too shall pass.
post #7 of 13
Ok, another thought, what I would then try one a night your husband is home. Have hubby take the new baby on a car ride while you put Theo down for bed.

((((Hugs))))

P.S. I have lots of back up plans in my head, but does not mean a dang one of them will work, thus I have LOTS. LOL
post #8 of 13
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Have hubby take the new baby on a car ride while you put Theo down for bed.
that might be an idea ..... we can try .. and see ..... i will have to talk to Scott ... it is bitter cold here now (winter in Iowa ) sooooooo Scott might not like the idea of rural gralve roads, snow covered, in bitter temps with the baby for anything less than a good medical emergency .... buttttttttttttt that is an awsome idea, if nothing else, we can do that come spring if things are still messed up ........... i sppercipate the idea..........

i feel better now -- the house is trashed, C is still a mess -- but T at least has been playing conently -- albitit touching me -- for a while without crying

A
post #9 of 13


Not a lot of help, but a few ideas... first, yes, I think there is a 3-week growth spurt. Second, could he be gassy? That can make them want to suck, but still feel miserable and pull off the boob. I learned the hard way with Dylan that any kind of citrus or (ding ding ding!) CRANBERRY product did something to my milk to turn it into a magical gas producing elixir. Mylicon is my best friend. Maybe give that a try?

The weight loss is worrisome... have you talked to your ped.

I am closing many of my posts with my personal mantra these days:
It won't last forever. It won't last forever. It won't last forever.

More s
post #10 of 13
From a developmental perspective, a growth spurt at 3 weeks is very common. Also, 3 weeks is when most babies tend to "wake up." They suddenly realize where they are (not in utero) and are generally pretty p*ssed off about it. I know that its probably not very reassuring to know how "normal" Charles's behavior is, but just know that this will be short lived. He will increase your milk supply, get used to the stimulation of the world a bit, and should settle down (unless he has colic, which also develops at about 3 weeks...).

The weight loss does concern me a little, though. Have you counted his wet/poopy diapers? He may just be growing faster than your supply can increase, and things will probably catch up in a few days, but it would be worth checking with his ped.
post #11 of 13
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They suddenly realize where they are (not in utero) and are generally pretty p*ssed off about it. I know that its probably not very reassuring to know how "normal" Charles's behavior is, but just know that this will be short lived. He will increase your milk supply, get used to the stimulation of the world a bit, and should settle down (unless he has colic, which also develops at about 3 weeks...).
actully gald to hear that ........ totally do not remember theo haveing this drasticv a mood change ....

more than enough wet and poopy diapers .... i still make a lsit each day ... so i am pretty sure THAT is ok .

it is 10:02 here -- ii have been trying to get him to bed since 8, theo went to bed at 7:30 with no daddy to play with ....I WANT TO GO TO BED, I AM TIRED, but Charlie is fussy fussy fussy .... nurse, start to sleep, CRY ..... repeat cycle......

what gets me is walking, rocking, holding doesn't "fix it" --
post #12 of 13
I have been waking Lachlan up in the evenings by holding him out away from me, kissing his cheeks, bathing him in plain water, and talking to him, etc.. This kind of brings him fully awake and if I can keep him awake for up to an hour, maybe two, he will sleep a few hours instead of demanding to suckle until 2am.

Sure, he's a bit fussy, but I am right there with him, offering some breast but keeping him awake.

Maybe something similar will work for you.
post #13 of 13
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we've been trying to keep C awke from 7 to 9 -- been trying that for weeks now, started before mom left -- doesn't seem to matter ......... i fight him to stay awke 8 to 9 .. 9 hits and POP is he really awake and alret .. like a little alarm

ps finally got to bed a little after 11 last night :

i am lucky once he goes to bed he will sleep in 3 and even 4 hour segeemnts, mostly ..... but 5 pm till 11 or 12 is bad .... and even day time is soooo different



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