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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
My dd is pretty defiant and I know that her defiant nature is what is causing this behavior, but I need to do something to change this. At the beginning of the school year, I put money in her lunch account, telling her that if she wastes it on buying extra junk food, we'd not refill the account and she'd be responsible for bringing lunch from home. Well she decided rice krispy treats and soda were acceptable for lunch and spent more than the cost of a daily lunch on junk. Normally lunch is $2 a day and she was spending twice that on garbage and not eating real food. So, I followed through and did not refill her lunch account.

I began packing for her. For the first few days that was cool, but then she started complaining that the food I packed was disgusting (a sandwich, piece of fruit, yogurt....nothing disgusting). I asked her to tell me what she wanted so I could pack foods that she liked, but she just said "I don't know, something sweet." She was very vague, disrespectful, and shot down every idea I could come up with and refused to give me input on foods she liked.

Soooo, I stopped packing for her and she was told that she'd have to pack her own lunch. We have containers and BuiltNY lunch bags so she can take leftovers (they have a microwave at school) or she could choose to make a sandwich, or I would buy her those little progresso microwaveable soups. She loves wedding soup and ravioli, so I stocked up on that for her but she won't take them. She will, however, eat these things after school.

She refused to take lunch to school and I began putting the soups in her purse while she got ready in the morning but she'd take them out and put them back on the counter before leaving. These are foods I know she likes because she does eat them after school when she comes home starving.

Today I get a call from the cafeteria manager. Apparently she's telling them I won't give her lunch money and giving them a sob story. They even offered to send home reduced lunch form because they think I can't afford to feed her! She owes them money. I told them she didn't have my permission to run up a huge credit with them, and that I offer her food every single day and she refuses. I'm not paying the bill. They can put her in detention or refuse to give her lunch if they wish, but if she wants to run up a huge bill with the school against my wishes it will have to come out of her allowance and she'll have to find a way to pay them herself. If they are going to continually make the mistake of giving in to her when she has no lunch by choice, then they are going to have to be the ones to get on her case about paying.

Ugh...so I think I'm handling this correctly, yet she still flat out refuses every day to take a lunch. I don't get it.
post #2 of 10
I don't have any suggestions but I am subbing because I am in a situation almost identical to yours. There are a few major differences, mainly that my stepson has a very restricted diet (medical disorder) and he is only allowed 10 grams of protein a day, but he has now decided he doesn't like anything that is low in protein. The other day we were in Safeway (huge grocery store) and he stood there and told me there was NOTHING in that store that he wanted to eat. : In the produce section (where he should be selecting most of his foods) he told me the only fruit he wanted was passion fruit. Ummmmm... they don't have that at Safeway, sorry it's very exotic, and even if they did, they are very expensive and not very filling. But in general, he has very exotic tastes and unless he is allowed to eat things he likes (Indian food, mostly, which is quite high in protein and not something he can eat every day) he goes on a sort of boycott of all foods and refused to tell me what he wants to eat. So I buy what I think are healthy options for him, and then he is pissed every evening when it's time to pack his lunch, because "there's nothing I want".

::: I am seriously going to lose it. I have to just disengage with him about it. Maybe that's the best thing for you to do, too? Let her deal with her own debts, provide healthy choices for her, and let her figure it our for herself.

The one way I seriously draw the line though is when he starts going on about foods I provide being "disgusting and gross". IMO, that is totally unacceptable and I will not stand for it. It's completely disrespectful of me, my efforts to feed him, his father's effort in working and earning money to buy the food, etc. It drives me insane and talking to him does nothing to change his behavior, so if he does it at all, he gets sent to his room. I will not sit there and accept that sort of behavior.
post #3 of 10
I think you handled it the right way - I would have done the same thing.
post #4 of 10
Some teens just feel "controlled" no matter how well you handle it. And FTR I think you handled in fabulously well. And sometimes, this kind of behavior is an attempt to get mama to "take over", while exasperatingly rejecting it whn we do : . My DD (16) will sometimes do this kind of stuff right before a milestone or something is getting ready to resolve. It's almost like they are scared to make that next leap toward adulthood and want us to fix or buffer them somehow. I'd stick to my plan if I were you. However, I'd also make a real effort to be nice and to stay out of her food choices. By all means, regularly add money to her account, based on what she needs to have a decent lunch every day, even if she chooses food you'd rather she didn't. Though I totally see you are trying to help by putting stuff in her purse, I wouldn't. This is sure to feel controlling to her. From my inner teen's POV I can see her leaving it home just....because. At this age they feel their need for autonomy to the exclusion of almost everything else. So food will take a second, third or lower place if their energy is being caught up in asserting themselves. Have you read Naomi Aldort's book, Raising Our Children, Raising Ourselves? I have found it to be immensely helpful in negotiating my way around my teen.
post #5 of 10
So sorry this is turning into a huge fight between you and your dd! From what I've seen of teenagers, they sometimes just need to pick a fight about something, and they look for the one thing that will drive their parents crazy. It sounds like your dd has found it. Smart girl! It seems to me that you have done all that you can do on your end. You gave her the original money, told her how you'd like her to spend it and sat back while she did the opposite. You've tried packing her lunch and stocking up on foods she'd like. At this point if I were you, I'd totally back off. You said she's eating the soup when she comes home, so she is eating lunch, although a bit late.

If I were in this situation, I would have one more conversation with her, tell her that she is welcome to help herself to the food in the house for lunch and that you will talk to the cafeteria people about not extending any more credit to her. Then NEVER mention it again. At some point I would think she would decide that she is the only one uncomfortable with being hungry in school, if you make it clear that you don't care whether she takes food or not. Give her the opportunity to "sneak" her lunch out of the house (leave her alone in the kitchen for a few minutes in the mornings or whatever) so she doesn't feel like you're hanging around waiting to say "told you so" about it.

Also, I'd definitely have a sit-down conversation with the cafeteria people, starting with "I'm so sorry my dd has run up this bill without my permission. Here's what's been going on..." And go from there. I know you're probably furious that the cafeteria has been feeding her, but I bet they see lots of kids who really DO have a tough situation and they were really just trying to help without making anyone feel uncomfortable. I don't think I'd get all confrontational with them because your dd was probably very convincing on the "poor me" angle. Nobody likes to think of a kid going hungry because she has a bad home situation. Once they talk to you face-to-face and realize that you CAN feed your dd and you TRY to feed your dd, it will be easier for them to refuse her credit. It was unfair of your dd to put them into a position where they would make you mad, turning a fight between you and dd into a fight between you and the school.
post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the responses everyone. Now I feel like I'm not totally insane for handling it the way I did. I did have that convo with the cafeteria manager. I even explained how she'll refuse breakfast in the morning and refuse to take the food she requested just to be....well....just to be a teenager, lol! They now know I'm not a mean mom who is depriving her child and they know she has options at home.

One thing I haven't done, though is totally back off. I've mostly left her alone about it, but I have said "don't you want to take a lunch?" here and there. Maybe once a week I'll ask lately. Other times I'll flat out ask her why she doesn't take her lunch and ask her to make a list of things she likes so I can buy them. Of course she refuses every time, so I drop it.

I think tomorrow I'll just sit her down and tell her I will not mention lunch to her again, and if she wants help packing or wants something specific then she can ask any time but until she asks I'm staying out of it.

Of course, I can't help but feel that I'm not providing food when I don't get up and pack her a lunch every day but she is old enough to speak up if she doesn't like not having lunch every day.

Today, all she ate was some pudding that she made after school and a frozen pizza....sigh..... I guess the tomato sauce had some veggie in it, right?
post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 
Kinda funny update! Teens never cease to amaze me, lol! This morning she ate breakfast and took lunch to school but she made sure that I knew she was not happy about it and somehow twisted it around to make it look like she was doing something rebellious. She stormed into the kitchen and said "Ugh, I hope you KNOW I HAVE to take a lunch today!!!! What do we have???" I handed her a soup container and said "Oh good, we have wedding soup, your favorite!" She replied with some nasty comment and stormed off, lol!

I could tell she wanted to take it and was putting up an angry front to maintain her image, lol!
post #8 of 10
It sounds like there is a lot more going on than the lunch thing. IMO the lunch issue is just a symptom of whatever the real problem is between you guys.
post #9 of 10
How old is she?

I feel like you are handling it very well, except maybe you are doing a little too much for her still. It depends on how old she is.

It seems that she has the skills to prepare her own food and she certainly has the autonomy to decide what to eat or not.

I think you are very nice to have foods on hand that she likes. That said, I would be concerned about the quality of food that is available to her at home. It sounds like she prefers sweet and convenient foods, and that's a little dangerous in terms of how her eating habits will develop -- but it's not awful, you know?

I'd try to keep the foods you have on hand at home as healthy as possible and not many treats, and then as someone else said, try not to mention it very much.

It sounds like you have already told her about accepting credit from the school isn't right and that that's not going to work for her anymore, and the school knows she has food available. Then I'd offer her if she wants something specific she can ask you to get it for her for lunch and if she wants help preparing lunches to bring, you will help. Then let it lie.

It doesn't sound like you have been too militant or anything with her, but that also depends on her age. I'm assuming she's at least in high school. If she's only in 6th grade or so, she may need more support from you.

Try to be positive -- this is a learning thing for her and not a punishment, she's just going through natural consequences, so dont' be all -- you screwed up and now you have to suffer -- just let her be and be supportive while letting her work this out on her own. Don't nag. You need to be relaxed enough so she can feel comfortable coming to you for help if she decides she needs it.

Good luck!

I might agree with Adriaunna (sp?) how are things going for you otherwise? I am assuming you are on good terms but you both may be feeling control and power struggle issues..... and if so you'll need to check your attitude towards her and make sure you are being a supportive and loving parent in all areas as she moves towards greater independence. Lastly, it's perfectly OK for her to "fail" in this exercise of managing her lunch money. Failure is the best way of learning! She may have felt pushed into this lunch arrangement by you and is rebelling against that. She may want to feel more cared for and nurtured by you. You can reflect on those things too and I hope it works out. (hugs!)

ETA: You know you start your post by saying she's pretty defiant, so maybe take a look at your attitudes toward her and if that's at all complicating things.

Another point is that she may not care about food in the same way you do. I know I am not into food at all, many times I find that eating and peparing food are chores that I very much don't like and so I'll go for as long as possible without having to deal with food. I also remember a time in h.s. where I ate eskimo bars at camp every day until I was so sick of eskimo bars that I have never liked them since. It's OK if she doesn't want to eat or if she likes her sweets, etc. etc. that may be part of who she is, and as long as she is getting enough food to get her through the day that may be her form of success or the only level of success she feels she needs to meet.

The other issue is money and perhaps there are control issues about money or the two of you have different values or expectations about money management. Like the food part she may not like that you forced this budgeting on her. Maybe you both need more of an open dialogue about what *both* of your ideas are. If you have been dictating the conversations (I dont' know, but maybe you have been), then having an open cooperative dialogue may be difficult at first and you'll need some time to develop enough trust in one another to each listen to each other. I'd frankly let her take the lead in coming up with a plan and I'd give her a lot of latitude in what you find acceptable and maybe that will help you reach a solution faster. Also I do think you should give her space because she may feel like you're micro managing her. I hope she feels comfortable talking and that you are able to listen and get her perspectives on the whole thing, that will help you out a lot.
post #10 of 10

Good for you!

Hold your ground. I don't have a teen yet. My oldest just turned 12, but I have had 3 teen exchange students. In the winter it is very cold. I would tell the exchange student the weather and advise them on what would be a proper coat, but i had one who always would leave in a simple sweatshirt. He had to take the public bus to school, so it was not a warm trip. I just let him. Even after i would say, "It is snowing and very windy. Are you sure you don't want to wear a coat?" He would walk out without one!
I had a girl who also had to ride the bus and would go to school in a mini skirt. :She would then tell the school that we did not like her and were making her take the bus.

This third exchange student we have so far has not been a problem. We have though, told her all the stupid things the other ones have done, in the hope that she will learn from their mistakes. I simply would say something like, "You would not believe how little our last exchange student wore in the winter. It was crazy!He must have been very cold." My children would chime in their 2 cents, as well. The pressure of not been bad fun of by 5 younger kids is working well.

Seriously I am not looking forward to having 5 teens.
Robin
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