Originally Posted by imbarefoot
Well we are not filing for a BC or SS card, so I'm not concerned about that. And we will no longer be on assistance once the baby comes. I think we will be losing it Feb 1st, because of our income going up.
I don't know...I just don't feel comfortable reporting my children to the government anymore. I don't feel comfortable getting them BCs or SS cards at this point, with where our government is at. I think things are getting more and more corrupt and my heart is telling me not to do those things. So the last thing I want to do is confirm my pregnancy and have that on file.
I can't say I don't blame you, but I also can say you need documented proof that the baby is yours. Even if you do not get a SSN, you really should get a birth certificate for the child and a passport if you are so paranoid about the US volitility. And I would suggest getting a SSN unless you object for a certain religion.
Your SSN for the baby allows you to claim the child on income tax forms (although filing is optional, the employer takes out taxes to pay the gov, you don't have to claim some of it back if you don't want to, there would be lost money to you and your family by not filing in most cases when you earn at just above the welfare line).
The SSN also permits easier passage into adulthood b/c you need a SSN to work in the US. I am going to assume your increase income while it removes welfare assistance, it probably will still allow you to qualify for WIC. If you need the WIC assistance in the way of food for yourself during pregnancy or for your children, then the baby will need proof of existance to qualify you for bfing package or the baby for a formula package. That jar of PB goes a long way when you have to make it last or the bag of beans can feed a family for days in a soup. I'm just saying WIC isn't so bad and while I'm not a proponent of dairy, if my children tolerated it and it was a glass of milk or nothing b/c I was out of other food, that glass of milk would provide them with nourishment and they would not go to bed feeling hungry.
I'm not from the US, I do not claim US citizenship and I do not claim it for my kids, but they have BC from here and Passports from my country of origin. I jump through hoops to avoid the SSN issue, it is not easy and we are limited in many ways. If my children choose to stay here, then they will need a SSN to work. I hope they don't choose to live here. I'm not sure if we will be staying much longer w my dh's job.
If you are loosing benefits to welfare so soon, it would be plausalbe not to "report" that you are pregnant as some women do not know for many months into their pregnancies. While I hb w lay mws, I have had our trusted doc record my pregnancy w a urine test to sign off on seeing the baby to get a BC after since the mw is under the table so to speak.
Just b/c you document a pregnancy, does not mean to anyone that it resulted in a live birth, miscarriages happen and those are not necessarily reported by women that I know.
I would think about your children in terms of adults when it comes to BC and SSN. It is much easier to get a BC and number at birth than to apply for one later. Just b/c your child has a number does not mean you have to supply it to anyone. If you read Ina May, maybe you might remember the trouble they had getting BC for the children who were born on the way to TN and that was 30plus years ago. Patriot act has made that more difficult - but you can be a non-person still. My dh's uncle was not allowed to get a phone b/c he did not exist to the phone company, this uncle lived debt free, paid cash for his house, his car, everything, he had no Credit Score and therefore was unverifiable to the phone company to get a phone. I'm sure he has a checking account and I know he trades stocks, so he has his SSN out there, but he still just did not exist in the major computer finance systems.
It's just something to think about. My children go to PS and I'm not required to give their SSN, they look at us funny, but I know our rights.
Another thing, if your spouse or SO gets a job w health insurance, your health insurance company will want the SSN to identify the child for coverage. Having health coverage is important for catastrophic events unless you oppose to all medical care for religious reasons. Since my dh works for a foreign owned company our insurance is based outside the US but works here.
I think you might be reading too many internet conspiracy theories!
: It will keep you up at night and worry you to death. Whether or not they are true I will not speculate, however, I can say that if you have a faith based in Christianity, the worse must come before the return -- so, those of the Christian faith might it all and pray for the quick return.