Ttc #1 In Our 30's: December! Let There Be Bfp's On Earth - Page 8

[kemaji]

Jem, my brother is currently dealing with some severe depression right now and I wish there were more I could do for him than just be a supportive shoulder to lean on if he needs it.

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Cycle Day: CD9

last ovulated on day... 14

Waiting to ...: O

Signs/Symptoms, if any: absolutely nothing

Current Feelings about TTC: I'm excited about it, then when I sit down and think about ttc I flash to panic...how can we be ready to bring a baby into this world?

Most Confused About... not really anything, I just want to know that both DH and I are healthy and able to have kids and I hate waiting.

Spending Holidays with...?: DH and hopefully my family

Your Wedding Anniversary: 7/3/05

[poetgirl]

Originally Posted by Rivka ?

I've been driven mad, it is CD38 for me and i have not had cycle this long in probably 10 years. this is a full 8 days longer than my "normal" and 4DPLM
The only sign of anything AF wise i get is the really faint pink/brown streaking in my CM, and even that is only once a day. Spotting anytime in the cycle is something i have never gotten to my knowledge.
I count myself as someone that is pretty in touch with my body, and i have no read on this. I feel healthy and balanced, no other symptoms, cramps of last week have all but calmed down (still a strange mellow general tugging feeling on the area). The only other thing of note is a slight increase in acne, but nothing huge.

I just don't see how any of the supplements i am taking could do this much havoc this fast. And without knowing what if anything did it, i do not know what if any to change or stop. Does anyone see a problem with any of my supplement or their levels? (listed on previous page)

Sorry this is so frustrating for you. The only thing I can see that looks iffy to me is your irregular vitex tincture. Some people react differently to vitex and it really can shift your cycle, usually for the better, but sometimes a little funny before it evens out. If you want to keep taking it, I would say to be super regular about it. GL!

OH Laura, HUGS! Oh that hope that cracks in...I know that hope. It tugs at those heartstrings like nothing else.

Highest Temp ever today 8 dpo 98.4 and bbs are throbbing but I know that can be the Prometrium talking. I will not get carried away!

[JustKiya]

Rivka, I don't know what to say - I don't THINK it could be any of the pills, but I don't know - I think peoples bodies react differently, and it's hard to tell if it's being influenced by something else, OR if it's just - your variation of normal. *sigh* I don't know.

Cycle Day: CD26

last ovulated on day:...28

Waiting to ...: O

Signs/Symptoms, if any: : Nothing, really.

Current Feelings about TTC: ARRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!! : *scream* *pulls hair*

Most Confused About...: everything? I 'had' ovulated, on CD17, and FF decided, nope, nevermind, I didn't, today. 9DPO. *headbash* Well, it's MUCH less stressful waiting to O - and the sex is fun.

Spending Holidays with...?: DH - assuming he's not working.

Your Wedding Anniversary: 3/28/04

[greenegirl]

My temp dropped 0.5 degrees today. I've got strong cramps, but no bleeding yet. I think it is just a matter of time, though. The good news about that is if AF starts today, I should O right around 12/30. DH is going to be off from work from 12/22 through 1/1, so we should have lots of time for baby-making sex :-)

[muppet729]

UGH! this 2ww is killing me. I just got back my cycle at 9months pp so I dont' know if I'm ovulating or not. Sometimes I think I'm crazy, but if I get pregnant this month the baby will be born in August (fingers crossed) and that would put DD2 and DC3 only 1 year apart in school years. I'm a teacher and currently a SAHM so it would be nice if I could go back to work a litlte earlier...

ANyway... I digress... don't even know how possible it is this cycle, but here I am! I'm 30 and on day 5 post ovulation. I'm dying to take a test, but I'm tryign to hold out.

Symptoms- a little breast soreness (still nursing dd2), some random nausea

[Wanting2BaMom]

Weird! OK ladies, I did a CP, CM check after shower... definetely low and open and there was a bit of dark reddish/brown tinged CM (not EW) Sorry if TMI! So, I go on to have some left sided ovary pain. My question is this.... could I have totally skipped a period and just now be ovulating at CD 39? I have never had this before and then again never been this late except with BFP's. WHAT THE (&@%^E$ IS GOING ON!?!?!?!?!

[JustKiya]

I would suspect your period is about to start, Laura, not that you ovulated....

[~Adorkable~]

boy chatting with you girls, really makes me feel better, too few girls around me IRL

Originally Posted by earthymama2b

Rivka, I don't know what to say - I don't THINK it could be any of the pills, but I don't know - I think peoples bodies react differently, and it's hard to tell if it's being influenced by something else, OR if it's just - your variation of normal. *sigh* I don't know.

Well my "normal" has no variation, that was has me confused, if this was happening to me 8-10 years ago i would not have even noticed it. But as i have said, i was a tight 30 day ship now for many years. you may still be right though.

Originally Posted by poetgirl

Sorry this is so frustrating for you. The only thing I can see that looks iffy to me is your irregular vitex tincture. Some people react differently to vitex and it really can shift your cycle, usually for the better, but sometimes a little funny before it evens out. If you want to keep taking it, I would say to be super regular about it. GL!

Yeah i have taken vitex a few long tern times before, first found it when i was 20 and having a very bad run of ovarian cysts(no PCOS diagnosis), related we assume to just starting to cycle again 3 years in to a 5 year Noraplant use. for 9 months and it's 5 cycles i had a very bad cyst each time, not sure if i was not bursting or what they assumed is that it was sealing back up and then growing. WAs under the care of very good Doc's for a while, but unless they switched me over to a stronger non ovulary BC like the pill there was nothing but pain management they could do. they said that most women grew out of it, in cases like mine where they had no know cause.
So in my mother wanting to help, she found out about vitex and i took it and soon took my noraplant out. I was on it for 9 months and it did the trick, i have been a soap box preacher for it ever since. i have taken it seriously two other times since, when my cycle was wonking out and my cramps were sooo bad, both times after a few months everything calmed down great. You know i just remembered that i had read some where that it could lengthen before regulating your cycle....hmm..... back them a long cycle meant more freedom so it never logged in my brain as a side effect, i guess i did not consider it now since i was soo perfectly regular i did not think it would change things.

So the question now is , do i keep taking it and just make sure to be really regular about it (cause maybe if it is changing things that things needed to be changed, or do i not take it cause it is the only thing that i can think of that could be wonking me out..... uuurrrggghh

Originally Posted by Wanting2BaMom

Rivka - I am not very knowledgeable about supplements - sorry! But I hope it is great news and not the pills!!!

yeah that would be great, cept it would also be a near immaculate conception. dh and i only saw each other for 4 days this cycle , dtd on cd 15,16 & 18 with the BC Sponge in(that has been good for us in the past) and even though i thought i would according to my old schedule O on cd 18, my opk did not say anything near a + till cd 23. and even if i did fertilize some egg the opk missed, i would be 16 - 20 DPO and i should have a bfp by now. i sure wished the chances were higher, if i had known this cycle was going to run so late i would have started last cycle, it would have more likely, i realize now, given us the EDD i wished for.
im sure all my drivel seems so nitpicking to those of you that have worked at this for many moons, sorry.

Perhaps my womb is scared of all the work it will have to do.. yeah, that's it!

Since i am late to the game, do you mind if i ask what you are having done that has your womb so skittish?

Anyways, of course there is always a bit of sadness (I tear up now typing)

So now i sit here feeling a bit crampy, now like this for about a week, no spotting in sight and I wait.

[FiberLover]

WELCOME to all the new members! So many new faces!


Just popping in to say I'm still lurking here, and hoping for great news from everyone.


I'm still doing OK, just hanging in there, waiting til Monday when I'll be 7w3d, and going in for my second u/s to see if the little one is still doing OK. I'm still feeling pregnant, so I guess that is consolation, and abates the worry a bit.

I'm worried that there will be (at least) 3 weeks between Monday's appointment and the next time I can go into the Dr. (due to his schedule and mine). But, I can't control it! I just have to be as calm as possible, and think good thoughts.

Hugs and love.

[greenegirl]

Originally Posted by Wanting2BaMom

Weird! OK ladies, I did a CP, CM check after shower... definetely low and open and there was a bit of dark reddish/brown tinged CM (not EW) Sorry if TMI! So, I go on to have some left sided ovary pain. My question is this.... could I have totally skipped a period and just now be ovulating at CD 39? I have never had this before and then again never been this late except with BFP's. WHAT THE (&@%^E$ IS GOING ON!?!?!?!?!

It is possible. My longest cycle ever was 50 days, and I ovulated on day 36.

[poetgirl]

Originally Posted by greenegirl

My temp dropped 0.5 degrees today. I've got strong cramps, but no bleeding yet. I think it is just a matter of time, though. The good news about that is if AF starts today, I should O right around 12/30. DH is going to be off from work from 12/22 through 1/1, so we should have lots of time for baby-making sex :-)

Oh Sorry Karen! I was hoping you'd jump back on the thread and get a bfp right away! But I have to agree about your stellar BD window for the next cycle. Hugs.

Kiya, I am utterly sorry that it looks like maybe you are ovulating now instead of being in the 3WW. Arg and Double arg! When it comes to TTC you actually CAN go back in time. Have fun on round 2 of bding! Dust to you!

Jencat, my almost cycle bud. How are you feeling? FYI a friend with low Prog. (7.3) just went on clomid for 1st cycle and they tested her to see if it helped and she was 40 something, so yeah, the Clomid will help you if that was an issue for you. GL!

Laura, ??? Maybe you should take a test just to get a feel for where you're at? If you are just Oing now, can you have the surgery now or does it have to happen at a certain point in your cycle? Or maybe temp for next 2 days to possibly guess if you're expecting AF or waiting to O? Also double Arg!!!

Michele,

Jem, :::blowki ss:

A little hard for me today. A co-worker who got preg. really easily brought her 2 month old baby in today and was being very honest with us about how it's been for her. She complained a lot and was clearly unhappy. I feel bad for her and she may have some postpartum stuff and need a stronger support system, but it was hard to have tried for so long and to want it so much and hear her complain. Her boy was beautiful. I loved holding him. Trying to suspend judgment, but somehow after struggling with IF, I don't think I'll be this way.
Trying to stay cool : about my highest ever temp jump today! Strange thing is I woke up wanting breakfast and I never eat breakfast. Eating in the morning nauseates me. Hmmmm.

P.S. I learned today that taking bromelain during 2WW helps implantation, and also avoiding soy. I did not know this!

[~Adorkable~]

Originally Posted by poetgirl

A little hard for me today. A co-worker who got preg. really easily brought her 2 month old baby in today and was being very honest with us about how it's been for her. She complained a lot and was clearly unhappy. I feel bad for her and she may have some postpartum stuff and need a stronger support system, but it was hard to have tried for so long and to want it so much and hear her complain. Her boy was beautiful.

Sounds like she course use a friend right now too. I get where you are coming from though.

Strange thing is I woke up wanting breakfast and I never eat breakfast. Eating in the morning nauseates me. Hmmmm.

Being un-nauseated, that would be a cool sign to have!!!

P.S. I learned today that taking bromelain during 2WW helps implantation, and also avoiding soy. I did not know this!

interesting, do you know why or have a link to the info? I have been starting to take some bromelain (from pineapple fyi) as it is used as a stomach enzyme helper apparently (along with papaya extract). it is also a anti inflammatory, which is how i am used to seeing it used. it seems to have many faces i wonder what it does for implantation assistance?

my stomach is messed up something awful, it is my only real health issue and i have been working hard to get it working smooth before pregnancy puts a extra burden on it. I am a person very prone to nausea and already have delayed stomach emptying, so have read thoroughly on morning sickness prevention and treatment theories. always interested to learn more.

[poetgirl]

Originally Posted by Rivka ?

Sounds like she course use a friend right now too. I get where you are coming from though.


Being un-nauseated, that would be a cool sign to have!!!


interesting, do you know why or have a link to the info? I have been starting to take some bromelain (from pineapple fyi) as it is used as a stomach enzyme helper apparently (along with papaya extract). it is also a anti inflammatory, which is how i am used to seeing it used. it seems to have many faces i wonder what it does for implantation assistance?

my stomach is messed up something awful, it is my only real health issue and i have been working hard to get it working smooth before pregnancy puts a extra burden on it. I am a person very prone to nausea and already have delayed stomach emptying, so have read thoroughly on morning sickness prevention and treatment theories. always interested to learn more.

I have long-standing stomach stuff too. Acupuncture and trad. chin. medicine (chin. herbs) have really helped with that, and yin yoga too (Sarah Powers). I am ridiculously prone to nausea. I also used mayan abdominal massage techniques to help this and found it a great soother. Don't have more info. right now on the pineapple/bromelain, but I think the logic behind the soy is that you don't want to introduce estrogen in any way into the 2ww.

I hear you on the friend thing. I'm not sure if post partum is actually an issue or not, it was more the way she was complaining about how awful it is to be with the baby all day. It's hard to explain but when you're in the infertility territory, things like this are just a bit challenging. Still as much as she would never know where I'm coming from, I would equally never know where she is coming from.

[~Adorkable~]

Originally Posted by poetgirl

I think the logic behind the soy is that you don't want to introduce estrogen in any way into the 2ww.

yeah that makes perfect sense on the soy thing.

Still as much as she would never know where I'm coming from, I would equally never know where she is coming from.

i completely understand what you are saying and agree. i happen to be on the other sire of things in a way. i have two ladies in my life in very different places with the whole child thing as me and it is hard to relate to them and remember to put myself in their shoes.
One is family and just lost a child 20+ weeks (long story, very high known risk actually stupid of her to allow herself to get pregnant) along the other is a best friend that is 36, very single and wishing she could have a baby but wants a good partner first, a tall order for her apparently, really feel for her. these are two ladies i wish i could share my journey with , but do not think they want to hear it.

[jencat]

Oh my gosh - Prolific ladies!! I don't think I can get caught up... but I'll give it a try...

Poet - sorry you had a challenging situation at work today... Even if you were not dealing with TTC, it would be hard to see someone unhappy with being a mom. But she will probably feel better soon. I hear it is REALLY hard to adjust at first. It's ok to be angry about it b/c of your situation. I feel the same way sometimes and it makes me feel better to say it out loud... (or on MDC) and then I can move on to sympathy or happiness or whatever...

Michelle - great to hear from you! Glad you are still feeling PG. I'm sure the U/S will confirm what you already know. I'm feeling so positive for you!

Rivka - don't you hate when your body messes with you like that!? I don't know anything about herbal remedies, etc. but I sure hope things get "back to normal."

Laura - let us know honey! I hope this is not AF... but if it is, will you still be able to schedule your surgery? Can you schedule it for next week and cancel if AF does not come so you can try to get it in 2007 (cheaper)?

Hi muppet. Welcome to our group. Technically, all of us on this thread are ladies in our 30s trying for our first baby. But we can surely relate to the 2WW!! I'm about 11 DPO and trying not to obsess...

greengirl - sorry you feel AF coming... you could be wrong... but you have the right attitude - finding the silver lining for some fun BD'ing over the holidays!

Kiya - I just want to kick your cycle in the bootie!! I really feel for you woman... UGH!!!

Vegan - no trolling!! It's way too early. Go read a good book!

Jem - hang in there honey. Make sure you get out of the house every day. And talk to a friend every day. Even though it's tough to make yourself do it, you'll feel better. Also, have you ever been to therapy or taken anti-depressants? It's nothing to be ashamed of. I've done both and sometimes we need outside help to get out of a funk. I'm thinking of you a lot and hoping you get feeling better soon.

Well, I'm doing great. Feeling happy today! I had the day off and had a lovely day... read my book. took my car in. shipped off my xmas presents. worked out. I'm reading the cutest books... it's a series by Janet Evanovich about a 30 yo female amature bounty hunter. They are action/adventure/romance. Easy, silly summer reading but really cute and funny. The main character is very humorous.

Anyhoo... my boobs are still sore. Newest development is I'm feeling a little horny today. I think it was sex yesterday - sex usually makes me want more sex! I'm hoping it doesn't mean AF is on her way... I'm trying not to get hopeful about being PG. I have to wait at least until Wed or Thurs before testing (if AF doesn't show). So I have a ways to go!

Have a great weekend everyone! Hi to Kemaji and anyone else I have missed! :

[poetgirl]

Hi Jencat! Good to hear from you. Thanks for your sweet words (and Rivka too). I feel better about it already. I think I'm just in that 2ww spot where I want it so bad (and I'm feeling symptomish due to the progesterone) and I'm so trying not to hope. I've got a whole week practically ahead of me! Yikes. Sounds like you had a solid feel-good Friday! Cheers to that!
(p.s. i'd love to graduate us both! we've been around...)

Now I need to make good on my promise for a soup recipe. This is my new favorite soup, from the Moosewood Low-fat Favorites Cookbook.

*vegan
SOUTHWESTERN CORN AND POTATO SOUP
1 c. finely chopped onion
2 garlic cloves minced or pressed (I like to add 3)
1 small fresh chile seeded and minced (ok w/out, also ok to sub. cayenne for it--I used about 1/2 tsp.)
1/4 tsp salt
3 c veg. stock
1 med. sweet potato diced (I've actually been using 2 for extra thickness)
2 tsp cumin
1/2 red bell pepper finely chopped
3 c fresh/frzn corn kernels (if you can find frzn roasted corn--have it at Trader Joe's--it's amazing)
salt to taste
cilantro to garnish

In a covered soup pot, simmer onions, garlic, chile and salt in 1 c veg stock for about 10 min (until onions are soft)
Add in cumin when there's 1-2 min to go (on the 10)
Add the sweet potato and remaining stock and simmer for 10 min until sw. pot. soften
Add bell pepper and corn and simmer covered for another 10 min, until all veg. are tender.
Puree about 1/2 the soup in a blender/food processor and return it to pot. The soup will be creamy and thick. Add salt to taste and gently reheat on low heat. If desired, garnish with cilantro or lime wedges.

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[poetgirl]

Since we've talking about male issues a lot here...here's a quote from a post by MaryLang:
[I basically just try to stay healthy, lots of protein, vitamins, light exercise. My DH on the other hand has low sperm I have only ever gotten pregnant while he has been taking his Tri-Amnios (L-Arginine, L-Ornithine, L-Lysine)]

p.s. Jem, to add to what Jencat said, I have taken for many years and do now take 1/4 of a Lexapro a day. For years I suffered with dystemia and was very stubborn about taking anything for it. Finally I gave in, shockingly 1/4 a pill somehow turned the lights back on. I had NO idea. I don't know your exact situation or your medical decisions of course, but I wanted to share.

We sure have been prolific lately! Who's next? Who's next?

[Wanting2BaMom]

TMI DETAILS - warned in advance

Whelp, today turned out to be the right day to test! After my CM, CP check yesterday morning I padded up ready for AF to start. No cramps all day, no AF. I just really felt BLAH and not well. We had out staff Christmas party which I went to, not really feeling up to it, but went. I made sure I ate some steak and brussle sprouts incase my iron was low (I hate steak but will eat it then - sorry vegans). I did feel a little better. I went home at 11:30 and still nothing, no cramping, no AF. I was starting to feel crappy again so I took my temp. 98.87 (low grade but I had also just come in from the cold). I felt exhausted and just crashed in bed. Around 1:30 I woke up with this nausiating pain in my abdomen and back. I went to the bathroom and there was blood. I was like.. OK, AF, then I started feeling my uterus "thumping". I had this feeling before. Anways, after 3 hours and to make a long story short... I think I had another m/c. I retrieved some tissue which was not clotty at all and looked almost as perfect as the 1st m/c I retrieved which was basically a whole sac. This was a tiny sac at one end and what looked like a tube that was open and some flat. (SORRY IF TMI). There was a group of what appeared really no more than red "dots" for no more a better description. Anyways, I was in pain for about 3 hours, passed that and then felt OK and went back to sleep around 4:30 in the morning. I put the tissue in water to show to DH when he woke and the doc. I put it in water in a disposable cup. This one I got to take the time and examine alot.
Anyways, needless to say when I was putting it back on the ledge, it fell into the sink and down the drain... I started to cry!!! I didn't get to show DH and I can't take it to the doc now. The differnece in this one and my first 2 m/c's was that I brown bled through the first 2 for 3 and 2 weeks respectively. This one nothing. In the back of my mind I thought I was... I was boob checking and the works and was going to test this morning because I didn't have ANY bleeding like before. This was much more painful then the 1st 2. Anyways, that is my sad but true end result.... again, I am just going on my past experiences since I never got to test for a BFP (thank goodness)... the excitement the morning before would have me curled in a ball right now!

To whomever asked about my surgery. I was dx with Asherman's right after my HSG. I have a "floor to ceiling" uterine adhesion which attaches the uterus to itself. Your uterus looks like a cone and my adhesion is pretty much directly in the middle where the uterus begins to narrow... hard to describe without drawing. Mine is a mild case due to only the one adhesion but it is pretty dense as it has been there for quite some time (I also continue to have normal but painful periods whereas a more intense case might have absent periods because the menstruation can't get out and therefore flees to the abdomen region). Asherman's is said to be rare and is either the result of an aggressive D&C, retained placenta or infection. Anyways, they recommend surgery because the adhesions prevent the uterine lining from being able to support a fetus. The zygote can also inplant on an adhesion which is not nutrient rich. You can also have placenta prevera something or other where it tears away from the lining or still birth. All of which are very common with Asherman's. Anyways, the surgery consists of dilating the uterus, inserting a scope and "scissors" and clipping the adhesion. Then placing a balloon (this is what my doctor says he was going to use but you can also use what is called cook stent) in my uterus until it heals (this prevents it from reattaching... or is supposed to).I would have to be off a week. The kicker, the only days the doc does surgeries at the hospital are Tuesdays... doubt he'll want to come in for Christmas or New Years... ahhhhhhhh!

Sorry about the crappy news and I am off to the bank!

P.s. That recipe looks supper yummy! THANKS!

[jencat]

Laura - Oh honey, I'm so sorry! That must have been an awful thing to go through... I can't imagine how you must be feeling today... Are you able to get a hold of your dr? It would be really cool if they could do your surgery asap so you don't have to go through that again...

You're a strong woman Laura and you're going to make it through this. Can you stay home and relax today? Can DH wait on you and cuddle with you and watch movies all day?

Take good care of yourself... I'll be thinking of you.

[Sri Radha]

Laura: I am so sorry! I don't even know what to say. My heart goes out to you.