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post #61 of 369
I don't post that much, but we are now waiting to know! Did our insem late last night.

I have a question about our donor's #s (we are doing at home ICI, frozen unknown donor).

P-T Motility - 35%
TMC/ml - 20

Would you say this is good, not good? Also, specimen date says 11/06, but in other place it says collected 11/99!!! If that is the real date, it's so old!! I hope we haven't been spinning our wheels this whole time. We are using Fairfax.

Can anyone offer insight? Thanks so much!
post #62 of 369
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Originally Posted by Hulahoop View Post
Stel, i've also noticed what may be implantation cramping, just last night and today. at least, it feels different than the last three cycles. I also had a temp dip today from 97.5 to 97.0, below the coverline. No spotting, though, and I'm unsure if maybe the dip is just making me think my cramps are something special!

Last night it was almost like a feeling of when you feel a pinch or something pushing on your bladder and you have to urinate, but you don't actually have to. Today it feels a bit more like low-grade AF, plus a kind of unsettled feeling down there. i have a long LP, so there's no way my period is due until next Tuesday, at the earliest.

Has anyone else experience an implantation dip before a BFP, like mamastotwo? From what I've read, it sounds like some people believe in it absolutely and some people maintain that it's a myth.
I had an implantation dip twice, and with one of them I had implantation spotting (but later miscarried), and the second one I didn't have any spotting, but did have slight cramping, and got pregnant.

The spotting is really obviously different. I always wondered why they used the word pink, but it really was pink. It's very obviously not period blood. And there's much less of it, obviously! The implantation cramping I felt more to the sides. My period cramping (of which I get a lot) is usually more centred, or at least emanating from the centre. Implantation cramping (I found) was definitely to one side, and also definitely more localised.

Then even though I was pregnant I had many feelings similar to period cramping. I woke up a couple of times to intense period cramp feelings. Exactly the same. But it was all pregnancy related. Also, during the day I had many cramping sensations. Some very much period-cramp like, and others new sensations. This quietened down in about my 6th week of pregnancy, then started up again in about my 9th or 10th week (which is apparently normal because the uterus does a lot of stretching then).

I was really worried about all the period-cramp-like sensations in the first month (but particularly in the first two weeks) but the Dr's all said it was normal & fine. Only to worry if it was accompanied by blood, which it never was.

Hope that helps! Good luck to you...
post #63 of 369
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Originally Posted by mahrens77 View Post
Also, specimen date says 11/06, but in other place it says collected 11/99!!! If that is the real date, it's so old!! I hope we haven't been spinning our wheels this whole time. We are using Fairfax.

Can anyone offer insight? Thanks so much!
It should say on the actual vial of sperm the date of donation. I'm sure it wasn't 11/06, since it needs to stay in quarantine for at least 6 months. I would be concerned if it is in fact 8 years old. It could still be fine, but I'd want any sperm I was using to be less than 5 years old (unless I was trying for a donor sibling and had a reason to be especially attached to particular vials of sperm).

Both times I got pregnant with sperm that was donated in the fall of 2001 (1st pregnancy in 2002, second pregnancy in 2006).

HTH!

Lex
post #64 of 369
Thank you, Lex! I looked at the vial and it says 11/26/06. So only about a year old. Whew! The first day of the 2WW is always the worst somehow, obsession wise.

Thanks again for your help.
post #65 of 369
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Angela - are you getting very sick? I've been nauseas as hell and really really tired, but it's just starting to ease up, thank god. I've heard so many horror stories about people being sick right up to their labour day. I just don't think I could handle it. I've already been in tears a few times from the 6 - 7 weeks of it. Imagine 9 months!
I'm already nauseous. It's terrible. And *very* emotional. Can't wait for that second trimester bliss I keep hearing about!

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I need some advice. . . I've tried this, put it seems that the speculum actually pulls my cervix open. I've wondered if I have it in too far. But if I pull it out a bit before I open it, I see nothing. Anyone else have this problem? Is my cervix always open as it appears, or an I "opening" it with the speculum? :
This seems to odd to me, but I don't know. I mean, my cervix, even when fully open, is only open wide enough to insert, say, a pencil. (Not that I've tried this...) It seems like the cervix would be too small to be pulled open by a speculum. If you're going for a pap anytime soon, maybe you could ask the nurse about it?

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What does it feel like? Is it like a menstral cramp or different? stronger? more accute? less acute? I've been fantasizing that I've been having it yesterday and today (can it last more than one day?) but fantasy played an over active role during my last not pregnant cycle and I'm trying hard to keep my expectations in check. Did anyone experience this?
I had implantation cramping this (pregnant) cycle. It started at 6dpo, and continued through 12dpo. It felt just like AF cramps, so much so that by 12dpo, in spite of all my BFPs, I was convinced that I was about to start bleeding. I didn't chart all the way to the end this time, so I don't know if I had a dip, but I didn't on my other pregnant cycle. This time I had the tiniest bit of spotting at 12dpo, but nothing else.

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I don't post that much, but we are now waiting to know! Did our insem late last night.

I have a question about our donor's #s (we are doing at home ICI, frozen unknown donor).

P-T Motility - 35%
TMC/ml - 20

Would you say this is good, not good? Also, specimen date says 11/06, but in other place it says collected 11/99!!! If that is the real date, it's so old!! I hope we haven't been spinning our wheels this whole time. We are using Fairfax.
Good luck! The first cycle I got pregnant was with sperm that had been donated in 1998. The pregnancy didn't stick, but I doubt that had anything to do with the age of the sperm. I do think it's very odd to have two different dates- you should call and ask them about that. After all, you want to make sure you're getting the right vial!

In terms of numbers, I did six cycles of at-home IUI. I conceived twice, once with 39 million motile/43%, and once with 58 million/56% motility. In all of my non-successful cycles, there were between 23 and 27 million, and 28-39% motility. For me, higher number of millions clearly made a difference. It's worth asking your bank about- they should be able to give you the info before they ship it to you.
post #66 of 369
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MMM, do you want to be moved or would you rather wait until after you're done insemming?
Put me in waiting to know Thanks Frog. One insem down and another to go...
post #67 of 369
Quick note to thank you all for birthday wishes and esteem boosting--I had a blast!! I was even rewarded with an extended b-day when a tiny snow and ice storm hit canceling all my classes the next day--Yeah!!

I have been resorting to full lurkdom but I wanted to pop out to say COME ON BFPs--there seems to be a lot of signs and positive energy flowing around. So here's for those of you in the 2ww (I don't miss it one bit )
and some more for those of you having swimmy adventures as I type

Angela and KK--Thanks for sticking around to inspire us all!! Hang tight and Hold On because soon enough you'll be coasting!!
post #68 of 369
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Thank you, Lex! I looked at the vial and it says 11/26/06. So only about a year old. Whew! The first day of the 2WW is always the worst somehow, obsession wise.

Thanks again for your help.
Oh, right! It's 2007 now! : I'm glad your sperm is still new!

Lex
post #69 of 369
Warning this link contains a video that WILL make you cry.

I ran across this today. I totally teared up. I thought some of you would also find some strength in this. It's a video on YouTube of a country song by Kellie Coffey called "I would die for that." It's about her desire for a child and it's pretty emotional.

Link
post #70 of 369
I go for the HSG "dye" test today. I'm scared to death. I've been doing a lot of questioning of myself and my intentions on having a child during this break. Part of me is ready to give up but that could be my normal response of "well, it didn't work, so forget it." I'm not one of those "try, try again" people and I own that. Maybe I'm just trying to make myself not feel so depressed about taking a break.

I've been wondering why I'm putting myself and my relationship through all of the emotional and physical termial involved with this process. I've been questioning whether this is still a good idea or not. DW and I could travel the world and do a lot of things we love with the money we plan to put into having and raising a child. We've even talked about naming the kid, Italy. It all came to a head last night. DW and I were lounging on the couch watching TV as I was asking myself why I am potentional putting myself through more pain for this dye test? A commercial came on of a child, probably around 12-16 months old, running screamming, laughing from it's parent. I looked at DW and she was beaming and we talked about chasing our own little one down the hall while they giggle and scream. Just that simple thought and I knew I would be going to do that test today.

Sometimes I wonder what drives us to go to the lengths we go to. Is it just implanted in our dna the desire to reproduce or is it cultural influences as we were growing up? So I have to ask, and I know this is very personal and you don't have to answer but, why do you want a child?
post #71 of 369
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I go for the HSG "dye" test today. I'm scared to death.

Don't be too scared! I had the HSG a few years ago and, while perhaps uncomfortable, it was nothing (I'm the one who had vasovagal syncope in my 20s, too...and not even a worry with the HSG). I got a BFP the next cycle, too! GL
post #72 of 369
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Don't be too scared! I had the HSG a few years ago and, while perhaps uncomfortable, it was nothing (I'm the one who had vasovagal syncope in my 20s, too...and not even a worry with the HSG). I got a BFP the next cycle, too! GL
BBM, thank you . I needed to hear this.
post #73 of 369
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Originally Posted by mahrens77 View Post

I have a question about our donor's #s (we are doing at home ICI, frozen unknown donor).

P-T Motility - 35%
TMC/ml - 20

Would you say this is good, not good?
For what it's worth, Mahrens77, our second donor is 39%, and when I asked our RE if that was "good," he told me the most important thing to know is if he's had any reported pregnancies (he had--actually, several are "in progress" right now). If he has pregnancies, he said, the numbers aren't really important, because sometimes certain sperm just have an unquantifiable thing about them that make them extra powerful, or do better frozen (in our case). Those characteristics aren't really described by numbers.

I'm hoping he's right, but it does make sense to me to rely mostly on a history of success! Can you ask your clinic about your donor's pregnancy history?

HTH.
post #74 of 369
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For what it's worth, Mahrens77, our second donor is 39%, and when I asked our RE if that was "good," he told me the most important thing to know is if he's had any reported pregnancies (he had--actually, several are "in progress" right now). If he has pregnancies, he said, the numbers aren't really important, because sometimes certain sperm just have an unquantifiable thing about them that make them extra powerful, or do better frozen (in our case). Those characteristics aren't really described by numbers.

I'm hoping he's right, but it does make sense to me to rely mostly on a history of success! Can you ask your clinic about your donor's pregnancy history?

HTH.
Ah, that makes sense. Yes, our donor does have reported pregnancies. We didn't want donors who didn't - figured we needed to know that the little fellas know what they are doing! Thank you, and good luck in your 2WW!!
post #75 of 369
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Originally Posted by Hulahoop View Post
For what it's worth, Mahrens77, our second donor is 39%, and when I asked our RE if that was "good," he told me the most important thing to know is if he's had any reported pregnancies (he had--actually, several are "in progress" right now). If he has pregnancies, he said, the numbers aren't really important, because sometimes certain sperm just have an unquantifiable thing about them that make them extra powerful, or do better frozen (in our case). Those characteristics aren't really described by numbers.
This is true, however, even the same donor may have a broad range of numbers depending on what vial you get. When I called my bank to get a count on my donor, for example, they told me that his highest vials had 71 million with 55% motility, and his lowest vials had 35 million with 30% motility. That's a big range! I think it's still worth asking what numbers are available on the vials that they're going to be able to ship to you.
post #76 of 369

QUICK! Tell me what you think!

I have some stretchy mucus, still.

OPK+ was on tuesday.

Did insem on Weds (109 mill, phew!)

Forgot to call, no insem today.

Try insem tomorrow?!! That's waaaaaay past OPK+.

Do not have speculum, so no cervix gazing, plus i can't really get a good feel of my cervix at the moment.
post #77 of 369
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I have some stretchy mucus, still.

OPK+ was on tuesday.

Did insem on Weds (109 mill, phew!)

Forgot to call, no insem today.

Try insem tomorrow?!! That's waaaaaay past OPK+.

Do not have speculum, so no cervix gazing, plus i can't really get a good feel of my cervix at the moment.
Are you temping? If so, you could schedule it for tomorrow, then cancel it if your temp has gone up in the morning.

I've had EWCM the day after O sometimes, though not tons.
post #78 of 369
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Honestly, Jen, I'd save your money and your swimmers.
post #79 of 369
Rachel--I am right there with you sister!! I almost teared up just reading that I'm not alone with all my doubt flooding in!! It feels like every day I think, "Ya know what? lets just forget it! A baby is gonna complicate so many things. There are so many details we have to work out. We are so happy now, why risk it?" And then I think "What am I talking about?? This is sooo important to me! This is the only thing I've been able of think about for over a year and it consumed at least a 1/4 of my thoughts over the last 4 years!!! Of course I should be doing this!! Don't wimp out now!!"

Its so confusing--both arguments seem equally as real and genuine!

My biggest issue right now is that I've been having a rather difficult time with the only children in my life. Whenever I spend time with them, on the inside, I am always comparing their behaviors to that of the children I have in my life with siblings. I fear having an only child. This said our agreement is that Moll will carry 2nd and she isn't even close to being ready to do that. I am terrified of having children 7+ years apart--I see that in essence as raising 2 only children---EEEEEKKK
This whole crazy thought process makes me think, maybe I should wait until she is closer to being ready. Then I think of all of you who have said you had the same plan and then your DP said "Ya know what Babe you did that so well why don't you carry all of our kids" and I freak out even more. What if I wait and then she is never ready? And I could popped out 2 kids by then?

Yeah so I just wanted y'all to know that I'm glad I'm on a 3 month break because I have yet to stop freaking out

and to answer your question Rachel

I want a child because I need to know there is Hope in this scary-ass place. I need to feel assured that when I leave this planet I have done my hardest to make it a better place--that I have loved enough, laughed enough, dreamed enough and created enough to pass without fear or guilt. That I will leave behind no regrets--Only successes. And that in the nature of a true revolutionary I have passed on these beliefs, these commitments, these tears, and these accomplishments to be carried out by generations that follow. This is why I teach, This is why I organize and this is why I will birth!!
post #80 of 369
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This is true, however, even the same donor may have a broad range of numbers depending on what vial you get. When I called my bank to get a count on my donor, for example, they told me that his highest vials had 71 million with 55% motility, and his lowest vials had 35 million with 30% motility. That's a big range! I think it's still worth asking what numbers are available on the vials that they're going to be able to ship to you.
Good points! That all totally makes sense, too.
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