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post #1 of 17
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Those of you who've read my past posts have seen the issues I have with my son's transition to public school. Basically he's in special ed, which complicates things a billion fold.

So now... my son's been in school for a few weeks. At first he liked it, but he's still in special ed class and I've been pushing hard to get him out of there because while it was good for him in 2nd grade it is NOT good for him in 7th grade. He has ADHD and it has subsided immensely in the past couple of years while we've homeschooled.

But now they're saying that because he is educationally "behind" (basically we didnt follow their exact program but we followed a homeschool program by Alpha Omega and he excelled at 7th grade math (which is the only class he's been mainstreamed in) I should keep him in special ed classes until the start of the school year. The problem with this is that they are basically doing 4th grade work in 7th grade here, and this school does not individualize the lesson plans like past special ed classes have. (for the record, my son is labeled Emotionally Disabled and here they put ED and educationally challenged kids together and teach them the same stuff) So if they move him into mainstream classes he will be "behind" because my software, while very on grade level, was not written specifically for South Carolina, but if they don't, he will be even FURTHER behind because the work they are teaching in special ed classes is waaay behind. But they seem to think it wont be a big deal because he is starting at the beginning of the year next year. (at home he was dividing fractions and doing pre-algebra and in special ed class they are adding and subtracting 5 digit whole numbers for example) Add on top of this the fact that the kids in this class are mostly there because they have behavior problems (read: refusing to function in a normal class room and some of them are prone to violence and various aggressive behaviors)

On top of this, I had a long conversation with my son's teacher 2 days ago that has me unbelievably freaked out. (all of the following are her words/from this conversation with her or paraphrasing of her words/the conversation) She said that he behaves immensely well. She said that 95% of the time he just his work (which even he says is like kindergarten stuff and way easy for him), finishes way before everyone else, and then just quietly reads a book at his desk. Because of that, he is picked on for being a "goody goody". She asked me why on earth I would send my son to this school. I told her that I had just had a baby and was having trouble giving him enough attention academically, and that he wanted to make friends and socialize. She told me that "the majority of these kids are babies raising babies, hoodlums, and crack babies" and that "nobody who has a choice would send their child to this school". She said that there is a lot of violence, gang activity (my son had mentioned "Bloods" and "Crypts" graffiti on the bathroom walls and someone trying to make him say "I like the Crypts" to a high school kid on his first day, and another kid saying "what are you trying to do, get him killed?" I thought it was just kids playing around at the time), and that it was not surprising to her at all that he was being bullied or that he had parts stolen off of his bike and that nothing could be done about it (he had fancy dice caps for his tires... those little ones over the air nozzles). She also said that he was probably going to continue to get picked on if he did not fit in more (which would mean acting more like those kids, which I obviously do not want - especially at the tender age of 13).

This is not the first time I'd heard negative things about the local public school. I am not saying that low income = crime but the entire area is low income and driving through town about 50% of the town (the east side) looks like the ghetto with run down houses and lots of people hanging out in mass amounts in front of very run down stores. There are people crossing the street with no regards to cars (expecting cars to stop so they can talk to their friends that are driving by and stopping in the road - this is the main thoroughfaire to Georgetown from Florence too) Its an area that I wouldn't walk through at night.

None of the kids in my neighborhood go to this school. They all go to a private Christian school or pay out of county fees to go to the school in the next county. But we are not Christian and the cost to go to the school in the next county (which is a fantastic school with a "top of the state" athletics program) is $5600 a year PLUS there has to be property in the school district in the child's name with a cost of $5000 or more (so we'd have to buy my 12 yr old a 1/4 acre of land : )

I had no idea that being a mom of a school age'd student would be so difficult. : If I wasnt having so much trouble homeschooling my son because of our personality clashes and my having a new baby I would have pulled him back out of school already. I just dont know what to do. I think we're going to be moving because of how bad this school is. I was just hoping that prior to moving (which I dont anticipate happening until this summer) we could get my son's "Emotionally Disabled" category removed, because every time he's gone to a new school with that label, they've treated him like he was about to pull a Columbine.
post #2 of 17
I'm so sorry all of this is happening. It sounds like a horrible environment for a kid. I'm confused about your sons ED label. Is it just because he has ADhD? or did he have other behavior problems at some other time? Was this label given to him in an iep? Or by some other private therapist of some sort? Frankly I would easily spend the 5000 up front plus 5600 annually to send my kid to the good school in the next county, but we live in an area where private schools average around 16,000/ year and the good ones are more like 20,000. Our public schools are pretty bad where we live so we're pretty sure we'll have to wrestle up that kind of money somewhere. What does your son want to do? If he's happy, I might just wait it out until you can move somewhere else with a better neighborhood school, though I would definitely try to get the ED label removed. If he's miserable it might be better to try to bear through the homeschooling again until you can find a better schooling option. Is there anyway at all you could come up with the money to send him to the school in the other county? Good luck. It's so sad that schools in our country are often in so bad that most people wouldn't send their kids there if they had any other choice. I hope you can figure something out.
post #3 of 17
Oh sweetie. Your post makes me sad.
We've struggled with schools too, but nothing this intense.
I know how these problems can weigh on you.
Keep us posted.
post #4 of 17
Are his needs being met in this public school any better than they were being met at home? Are your needs being better met by having him in school instead of home all day? The needs of the whole family don't trump the needs of one individual child- if having him home was too much for you, that IS a legitimate factor to consider.

I'm wondering if you wouldn't do better HSing him for the duration of this year and then trying him in public school again after you move.
post #5 of 17
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I'm confused about your sons ED label. Is it just because he has ADhD? or did he have other behavior problems at some other time? Was this label given to him in an iep? Or by some other private therapist of some sort?
When he was first evaluated for special needs, he didnt qualify because his only diagnosis has been ADHD. Then we moved to another school district that had a program set up specifically for kids with ADHD under a subset of Emotionally Handicapped. The class room had kids bussed from the entire district - right outside of Orlando and fairly large - and only had ADHD non-violent kids in it who just needed to be redirected more than normal to stay focused. (that was in Florida in a county with a large amt of funds for students and very good schools) He was not EH by the "normal" definition, but his ADHD meant he could not sit still and he burst out in class and just in general disrupted class. That was in kindergarten/1st/2nd grade. I did a lot of research/interviews/school tours/etc before agreeing to let him into this program but it helped him a lot. When we moved to SC, they just saw the "EH" label, which to them translated to "ED" and he got mixed in with the general ED populace. Ever since we moved here he has had this horrible label on him. I seriously regret ever agreeing to put him in a special ed environment because of it. He just needed a little extra attention, and is not violent WHAT SO EVER... just easily distracted. (and he did have trouble saying a bad word for half a year in 5th grade, but that was a behavior picked up in special ed class : )

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Frankly I would easily spend the 5000 up front plus 5600 annually to send my kid to the good school in the next county, but we live in an area where private schools average around 16,000/ year and the good ones are more like 20,000.
The private school here is about $2600 a year, but they break it down into smaller amounts so it ends up being $515 the first month and then $225 p/mo going forward. Thats doable, and we may end up sending him there after the first of the year despite our religious reservations. The reason that we have such an issue with the public school, although its the ideal situation really, is because we cant afford to send 3 kids there, and we have 2 younger ones still. We just couldn't afford 3 plots of land and $15000 a year tuition. To be honest, we're barely making ends meet, and the only reason we could do private school even is because my son's father finally started paying child support this year, but if he goes off the radar again and they cant get it, I wont be able to keep sending him, which is another bunch of issues.

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Are his needs being met in this public school any better than they were being met at home?
I wish it was this cut and dried. He really needed to see other kids and there are zero programs here that would allow that, so he was struggling socially. He may very well be doing better socially once he adjusts. Atleast now he has some kids to talk to. Academically though, it really sucks compared to homeschool, despite them insisting that they have a great educational program. :rollseyes:

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Are your needs being better met by having him in school instead of home all day? The needs of the whole family don't trump the needs of one individual child- if having him home was too much for you, that IS a legitimate factor to consider.
Its a LOT easier on me having him in school. He's very energetic and tends to turn my otherwise calm daughter into a screaming giggling running and climbing the walls mess in less than 5 minutes. He acts like he's 2 when he's with her, where he acts more mature when he's with kids his age, I've noticed. That leads me to worry about how his behavior is not going to get better if he is not around kids who are his age and act "normal". I think he needs examples of good 12 yr old behavior to know whats expected from him, ya know? And to be completely honest, its been heavenly having just me and the 2 little ones here during the day. He and I argue a lot (because he's 12 and thinks he knows everything/I know nothing which makes teaching him anything difficult) and I thought that maybe some space would help us get our relationship onto a more positive track.

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I'm wondering if you wouldn't do better HSing him for the duration of this year and then trying him in public school again after you move.
The problem is with this stupid label. Like I said, for some reason everyone sees him as a threat to the general populace, because of this label which is not even the label he was supposed to get. So they see him negatively before they even meet him, just because of his records. (even though the records only comment on him cursing and even that is 2 yrs old) It makes them very hesitant to listen to my requests to get him out of that situation. (this school originally told me I'd have to get a lawyer to get him out... and from what I hear the general classes are full of students worse than him by far - half of his math class has gotten written up twice in the past 2 weeks)

My husband wants me to give it until the new year and see if they will agree to remove his special needs classification. I just feel horrible putting my son through that. Luckily he doesnt stress easily about kids acting badly and has not flipped out like I would have, if I'd been approached like he has, at this school.
post #6 of 17
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Are his needs being met in this public school any better than they were being met at home? Are your needs being better met by having him in school instead of home all day? The needs of the whole family don't trump the needs of one individual child- if having him home was too much for you, that IS a legitimate factor to consider.

I'm wondering if you wouldn't do better HSing him for the duration of this year and then trying him in public school again after you move.
I think these are very wise words.
post #7 of 17
I can see how financially the school in the other county really isn't feasible. I would work right now on getting the label removed. Get your own diagnosis that says he is not emotionally disturbed only ADHD. Contact the school district in Florida maybe they could provide a letter explaining the situation (how the class was specifically for ADHD children, none of the children were violent or otherwise emotionally disturbed, etc). If you had that letter and an evaluation from a therapist maybe that would be enough to persuade the school to remove the ED label. Or you could try to get your ds a new iep. I'm very upset for you. This is exactly why many parents are so reluctant to have their children evaluated or allow them to receive services through the school district. People don't want a label attached to their child that can't be removed. I'm so sorry you're in this situation.
post #8 of 17
If you move, can you just enter the new school and as a homeschooled child- ie. don't bring the record with you? I really don't know how these records work. I also don't understand why they wouldn't re-evaluate him considering his record is from a different state with different standards/classifications. I would pull him- it does not sound like a good situation. Is it possible to start from scratch at the new school once you move?
post #9 of 17
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My husband wants me to give it until the new year and see if they will agree to remove his special needs classification. I just feel horrible putting my son through that. Luckily he doesnt stress easily about kids acting badly and has not flipped out like I would have, if I'd been approached like he has, at this school.
I think that's a reasonable course of action. Your DS doesn't seem miserable in this situation, so a few more weeks of the same thing isn't likely to cause too much harm. A few weeks should be enough time to cut through the red tape and get things set up properly for him, even if the wheels grind really slowly at that school.

If they can't get him into appropriate classes by January, then I'd consider pulling him out and going back to HSing him- but maybe try a different approach where you're "facilitating his learning" rather than "teaching him".

And definitely look into moving into a better school district if you want him in school long term (or at least the option of school.)
post #10 of 17
does your son have an IEP? If so, are they following it? Are they meeting his educational needs? They're also obligated to reassess him every 3 years, I believe.

It doesn't sound like they're meeting his educational needs in that classroom. If that's the case, then they are legally obligated to meet his educational needs in whatever way is least restrictive for him.

That might mean a mainstream class.
That might mean paying for him to attend another school (either private or out of district).

Now, they won't do these things without kicking and screaming, but they will do them if you know your rights and/or threaten (or bring) a lawyer.

I'd do some research on the legal aspects and strongly consider moving!
post #11 of 17
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This just gets worse and worse. I must be over reacting because how can a public school be THIS BAD?

Today my son came home and said that his teacher told him "boy, be quiet before I come over there and slap you in the head" and a boy tripped him and then later shoved him down face first onto a desk. At another point during the day the teacher asked for people to raise their hand to answer questions and when he answered it correctly a kid said "I aughtta come over there and break those glasses right off of your face" and when he had raised his hand and gotten an answer wrong, they (a bunch of the kids in his class) all laughed and called him a stupid S.O.B.

I keep thinking my son must be lying, even though evidence points to the contrary, because of how extreme what he says is going on, is. He said people's food gets stolen off of their lunch trays if they walk away for even a second (his example was someone who went to throw something in the garbage and another person who went back up to get another box of milk)

Are schools really like this???? When I mentioned during our meeting that he was getting bullied the psychologist said "kids get bullied...its a part of being in public school".
post #12 of 17
I totally understand how you feel on this front. I used to teach... first in juv. hall, then in 7th grade in an "underperforming" school with enormous gang problems. I'm very pro-public school, but I can't send my kids to such schools... when the teachers say take your child out, I'd believe them.

In our situation, we were warned strongly against our local school, so I have my kids in a Catholic school. I'm surprisingly happy, though I often try to give her some balance that she doesn't seem to get on religious matters.

Have you exhausted all options within driving distance? Can you move? Could there be a little school in the next town over? Some charter school? Could you go with a religious school? Could relatives help out with fees?

What does he want to do?

Good luck!
post #13 of 17
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Are schools really like this????
IME, sadly, yes they are. Please don't disbelieve your son. You minimizing it will only make him normalize it further, and he will become a bully himself to survive.
post #14 of 17
I am a special ed teacher, and spent 5 years teaching in ED classrooms. Your son does not sound like he belongs in an ED classroom. Is he mainstreamed for any part of the day? He is not in the Least Restrictive Environment. I would refuse services and demand a re-assessment immediately. If you possibly can, pull him out until they can get it together.

I speak from experience, as I had sweet kids with ADHD sent to my classroom just because they needed a little bit more extra directions than teachers were willing to give. I bounced them right back for as much of the day as possible, and they did great with support (behavior charts, etc.).

I wish you the best, and I am sorry for this experience you are having.

L.
post #15 of 17
You son's TEACHER has told you that yes, it's like this.

I don't think you want to hear this, but you need to pull him out. This is not a safe school. Even if he were out of the SN classes, this would still not be an acceptable environment! It sounds like you have a couple of options -- homeschooling, school the next county over, and the private school -- and you need to pick one. I wouldn't even wait until the first of the year. I wouldn't send him tomorrow, and I say this as someone who doesn't homeschool, who hasn't ever homeschooled, and who doesn't normally say, "ohhh, pull him out, that's terrible!" when people tell stories about bad stuff happening at their kid's school.

Talk to the Christian school and explain your situation with the child support. They may be able to reassure you regarding financial aid should the child support evaporate. I would also look into relocating to the next county over, so that you have a decent public school.
post #16 of 17
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My son's thoughts on this are that its not worth the money to send him to the private school. (of course all he sees is the amount of Nintendo DS's that he can get for the amt of money it costs to go) He said he'd rather go to the public school. Unfortunately, I think you are all right, as does my husband, and we're going to have to pull him out. He no longer wants to go to school and is concerned about getting messed with every day. His first day he was ecstatic about going, and its gone from that to dreading and begging not to have to go. Right now the nurse is driving him home because he has a "headache and a stomach ache". I think its emotional unfortunately and am betting something bad happened this morning to make him want to come home.

In regards to his placement, they have refused to test him unless I left him in the school (originally we wanted him to go only if he could be mainstreamed and went through an IEP type meeting where they flat out refused to put him anywhere other than special ed until they had the opportunity to screen him). I was told atleast 30 days to to the testing. Its been almost a month now and he has not had any testing what so ever. But he has been put into 2 mainstream classes, and they are saying that he is not educationally capable of doing them (which is BS as I homeschooled him on grade level with no problems..but thats a whole nother topic)

So it looks like its pretty much set that we're going to move him to the private school and just let him make up his mind about the religious aspect himself. He's old enough I think that he wont be swayed without putting thought into it I think. This is, of course, assuming they will take him with the IEP in place. Its like a hex that once put on cannot be taken off.

I guess I'm just honestly in absolute SHOCK that this school is really this bad. I went to a few different schools growing up and never ever had anything like these issues. It was never perfect, but never did I fear for my safety like I would at this school.
post #17 of 17
I'm sorry, I just read this thread, I saw it from new posts.

I just want to say that I went to "excellent" schools in great school districts, a high school that sent lots of kids to top colleges, where the kids won national awards, etc etc etc...

And it wasn't far from what your son describes. I was afraid of bullying and saw it ALL the time. I had awful experiences in school.

Not all schools are like that, but many are. And sadly, the administrators are often so jaded and burned out that it's "see no evil, hear no evil". They don't particularly want to hear from parents b/c they don't have any good solutions.

At one junior high school that fed into the high school I went to, a group of 8th grade boys forced a girl to give them oral sex in the bathroom. This group of boys already had a history as bullies. Even after being dealt with by the juvenile system, they were allowed to attend the school and although they never touched the girl again, they tormented her verbally and got away with it.

I met up with these boys in high school and they were absolutely vicious misogynists, they would follow girls around and physically intimidate them and call them whores. Parents complained and NOTHING was done. In an excellent high school in a very rich district.

Kids who were "different" were often singled out, but in truth almost anyone could become a victim given the right circumstances. It was an absolutely toxic environment and honestly, I feel I still bear the scars, although I have long since moved on, of course. I DID NOT FEEL SAFE THERE. And, I wasn't.

I just tell you this to emphasize that what your son describes is not only credible, it's COMMON. It's very sad. I agree that you should pull him out immediately b/c it is likely to only get worse.
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