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post #1 of 25
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We're certain that dss is gay. He's 13, and he came to live with us in July. We've wondered for a long time if he might be gay, but now we're certain (I'd rather not get into how we know). I think we need to talk to him about it so he knows that we love him and support him, and he doesn't have to be afraid to talk to us.

The thing is, we're not really sure where he stands with it. We don't want to freak him out if he hasn't completely come to terms with what he's feeling.

I looked on the pflag website, and it says that we should say something like, "Are you having feelings that are different from your friend's?" -- That just sounds really dorky to me. Plus, who doesn't feel like their feelings are different from their friends at that age? I don't think it will get us to the real issue.

Anyone else been here?
post #2 of 25
I personally wouldn't say a thing. I don't discuss my son's heterosexuality, why would I discuss his homosexuality? Chances are, he'll approach you when he's ready.
post #3 of 25
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Originally Posted by attachedmamaof3 View Post
I personally wouldn't say a thing. I don't discuss my son's heterosexuality, why would I discuss his homosexuality? Chances are, he'll approach you when he's ready.
I've read, though, that gay teens sometimes become suicidal if they think they can't tell anyone.
post #4 of 25
Don't bring it up directly. But make sure he knows your stance on homosexuality. Just happen to read an article that is about not allowing gay marraige or even allowing it then comment it with your husband have a non-related conversation that will help him understand that you will be excepting of him and his sexuality what ever it is.
post #5 of 25
I wouldn't bring it up directly, unless it is a conversation about dating, sex, contraception, etc. He still needs this kind of information, except it will be different for him.

As someone else suggested, I would probably work it in to general conversation-something on the news, in the paper, political views, etc. Opportunities like this usually present themselves. He needs to know he is loved and accepted and needs to feel comfortable coming to you with issues or questions. And if he's not ready to talk don't push it. At least he will know you are open to discuss it when he wants to.
post #6 of 25
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I've read, though, that gay teens sometimes become suicidal if they think they can't tell anyone.
Ohhh...I guess I said that thinking that he would already be aware of your beliefs regarding homosexuality. But maybe not since he's a DSS?? I would definately bring up my viewpoints in a non-direct way...maybe let him overhear a conversation between myself/DP re: gay marriage or homosexuality.
post #7 of 25
I wouldn't bring it up directly, don't want to put him on the spot or make him feel defensive, but would definitely start having conversations within the family about how your family supports gay rights and would be supportive and welcoming of all family members, regardless of sexual orientation. Good luck to all of you, it is not easy been 13, especially when you are viewed as different.
post #8 of 25
I'm different from the other posters - I WOULD bring it up. After all, some gay teens are prone to depression and even suicide. He needs to know that you love and accept him as he is. I would have a little chat with him and reassure him of all your love and support.
post #9 of 25
I think you need to be discussing sex with him anyway. Safe sex is still a talk for any kid. Maybe you could start out with a sex/condoms/STD talk and then see where that goes.

I would also have a hard time discussing that with a 13 year old too. It seems so young to me. But, it really isn't too young.

And, find a message board with Gay adults and ask them what they wish their parents would have said or asked.
post #10 of 25
This is just my opinion here, but do you have any gay or lesbian or bisexual friends? Perhaps they can give you some insight on what they would have preferred when they came out. Or they might even offer to talk to your DSS...

I don't know why but all of DH's female friends are gay, and our wonderful chiro/acupuncture therapist is gay as well, so our "community" is very diverse. For that reason, my DSS feels very comfortable discussing homosexuality. It think it helps to see that we don't care whether our friends are gay or straight, so long as they're good, loyal people.
post #11 of 25
Have you discussed same sex attraction and relationships with him during your sex ed discussions? Does your family openly talk about issues like homophobia, same sex marriage ect ? If it's clear that you are supportive of people that are gay, bi and queer then he will come out to you when you are ready, assuming he actually is gay.
post #12 of 25
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I'm different from the other posters - I WOULD bring it up. After all, some gay teens are prone to depression and even suicide. He needs to know that you love and accept him as he is. I would have a little chat with him and reassure him of all your love and support.
I'm thinking along these lines, too. I think that knowing your parents support gay rights and relationships is different from knowing that they'll accept a gay child. Dh's parents, for example, support gay rights in theory but have told us that they think dss is abnormal.

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This is just my opinion here, but do you have any gay or lesbian or bisexual friends? Perhaps they can give you some insight on what they would have preferred when they came out. Or they might even offer to talk to your DSS...
I have a few gay friends, mostly lesbians though. I emailed the one gay male couple I know asking for advice, but I haven't heard back yet.


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Have you discussed same sex attraction and relationships with him during your sex ed discussions? Does your family openly talk about issues like homophobia, same sex marriage ect ?
We do talk about these things when they come up. He's asked us a lot of questions about things he's seen in movies -- he was allowed to watch anything when he lived with his mom-- and we've always been honest with him. We watched a movie about a gay relationship, and that was the first time he said he was embarrassed to watch something with us.
post #13 of 25
I'm queer and came out as a young teen, so I feel like I can relate to your dss.

I came out to friends at 14 and my parents about 5 months later, right after my 15th birthday. I spent two years being convinced that I could like girls and still not be gay. Even though I was from a liberal family and a liberal community and had no problems with queer people, I was horrified to discover that in myself. I was already a freak at school, I didn't want to be a freak and a queer.

I would have been TERRIFIED if someone had talked to me before I told them. If your dss is indeed gay, he's got something huge to process. This is something that upends your universe. Realizing one's own queerness would be so hard for an adult. As a teen, it's even worse--you're already trying to figure out who you are in the world and what you believe, and you're discovering that you are a person that some people hate just for loving the way you do. I don't say that to make you worry more about him, but only to contextualize the immensity of this process. It's a process you can't rush, either.

I came out to my friends when I was ready, on my own terms. It was an amazing, supportive, validating experience that made me feel so much safer in the world. I came out to my parents when I wasn't ready--they were asking questions about me and another girl (my secret girlfriend) and I felt somehow obligated to come out. I sobbed hysterically for two hours before I could eke out "I'm gay." I wasn't ready and it hurt and I was terrified and it really screwed with my ability to feel safe with my parents, when that was what I needed the most in the world. My point here is that coming out is a huge process--people view coming out as the act of telling other people, but 95% of the process is coming to terms with yourself (or not.) Also, if you call him out about being gay, he may worry that he's in some way obvious in his orientation--that can be pretty scary if you're not ready for the world to know.

He'll tell you when he's ready to talk about it. In the meantime, let him know that you'll be receptive to hear him with love and support when he's ready to come out. Stick a rainbow flag bumper sticker on your car. Talk about your support for gay rights when you read about them in the paper or hear about them on the news. Proclaim your support and love for all people and speak out against the people who do not support and love. Attend a queer play, musical, or community event as a family. Use inclusive language that doesn't presume heterosexuality. All you can do is lay the foundation for him to tell you, but he's got to do the building on his own. I can only imagine how scary that is as a parent, but he might be even more scared than you.

Make sure safer sex materials and education is queer-inclusive. Queer youth are at far greater risk for STIs because we so rarely get decent sex ed. Schools give crappy sex-ed classes as a general rule, but they're very heterocentric. Be the person to fill in that gap.

I'd buy him a copy of Kate Bornstein's book, Hello Cruel World: 101 Alternatives to Suicide for Teens, Freaks and Other Outlaws. (You can find it on Amazon, but this might be a great alternative to find a local queer/feminist bookstore, if there is one.) Kate Bornstein is a nationally renowned speaker and author around queer and transgender issues and is so, so amazing. The book talks in a very accessible way about learning how to love yourself when parts of the world are trying to make you believe you're not lovable. I cried when I read it because I wished so badly that someone had given it to me long, long ago. Even now, long out and a queer activist, that book made me feel much better about my place in the world.

You rock for being a supportive parent. More queer kiddos need parents like you. I can't give you kudos enough for supporting him.

Feel free to PM me if you have questions or want resources. I work in a queer community center, so I can probably find some good local organizations if you're interested.
post #14 of 25
I think duckling's post was great advice.
post #15 of 25
I think Duckling's advice is great for queer women. Our queer boys are at significantly greater risk than our queer girls so we have to tweak that a bit. I would read the book Sexual Ecology immediately. It's about 10 years old but might have been written yesterday.

In your position I would immediately say -- Am I going to a church that is open and affirming? If not, I would switch my church / religion. If not religious, the UU's may be a good choice.

In addition it is important for your stepson to have as many role models as possible who are gay men, settled down out of the club scene preferably never in, and who have children if possible.
post #16 of 25
I have a brother that is gay and though he didn't come out to our Mom until he was 18 we already knew he was gay. My Mom has a gay brother so my brother knew that my Mom was ok with homosexual behavior since she and our uncle were very close.

I wouldn't address his homosexuality specifically I would go more the 'we love the person you are, we are so proud of you and we want you to know you can always talk with us' This coupled with possibly having some positive homosexuals in your life. If you don't know any in real life maybe talk about certain movies or books.

I understand your belief that he is gay and you certainly know him better than anyone else. There could be more he could be gay and have gender issues so this may not be as 'simple' as being homosexual (certainly not implying that is an easy road to hoe).

He may not be ready to admit/confront his own homosexuality and pulling him out of the closet may not have the supportive affect you think it will. It could force him further in and make him more reclusive.

Good luck Mama,
Keri
post #17 of 25
I wouldn't force him to "come out" to you before he's ready. He may not have fully "come out" to himself yet. Also, remember that he may be bisexual, or "gay curious" even if you think you have evidence that he's homosexual.

I would be sure to include homosexual information in any sex-ed talks: "him or her" language in dating discussions, oral and anal sex in STD talks, etc. If he has heterocentric sex ed at school, then try to fill in the gaps at home (or have DH do that)- it's good information for any teenager to have, no matter what the sexual orientation.

Plus make sure that your DSS knows that you're comfortable with homosexuality in general, that you love him just the way he is, and that he's free to talk to either of you about anything if he wants to.
post #18 of 25
You let him know that you're a tolerant person by leading a tolerant life. That means being tolerant toward people of not only different sexual attractions but also of different races, socioeconomic status, etc.

He'll pick up on whether you love him unconditionally or not, and whether you're a tolerant family or not, without you ever having to address homosexuality.

You don't want to say how you "know," but that does matter. Hopefully it isn't something merely stereotypical. If you've read his journal or something, you're snooping anyway and you'd just embarrass him by talking about it.
post #19 of 25
I agree with PP's that instead of bringing it up directly you should just express your acceptance and understanding of homosexuality. He should never be forced 'out of the closet' by you but should be allowed to pick his own method and timing of coming out.
post #20 of 25
When talking about his future I'd make sure to use inclusive language. When we talk to our kids we always say things like, "When you're grown and choose a spouse or partner it's important that he or she treats you well." And we've come right and said, "You know we'll love you and accept you no matter who you choose to live right?"

I've been trying to sneak this stuff in there without going overboard because my dd (11yo) seems to have crushes on both genders and unfortunately her father (my ex) is VERY homophobic. So I'm worried that she may think something is wrong with her if she likes girls.

-Heather
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