From VAX: What is wrong with Dr's Sears' vax schedule?

[mykdsmomy]

Many people have been singing praises of Dr. Sears book but I've heard there are huge holes in some of his theories.
Anyone care to share where Dr Sears is wrong?

[holly6737]

Yes, I'd be interested to know opinions as well.

[alegna]

If someone would post the schedule I'd be happy to post my thoughts

I haven't read the book yet but the excerpts posted have not impressed me (many quotes have incorrect stats for one....)

-Angela

[CCChanel]

Are there vaxes on the schedule?

That's what's wrong with it.

[mommyofboys3]

yes i would love to see dr sears schedule..

[rmzbm]

Originally Posted by CCChanel

Are there vaxes on the schedule?

That's what's wrong with it.

That's what I was going to say.

[Plummeting]

When he gave a seminar at the LLL conference, he said you should give your kids IPV and the diphtheria vaccine if you traveled outside the country, in order to prevent them from bringing diphtheria and polio back to the US. IPV doesn't prevent infection from polioviruses and diphtheria doesn't prevent infection from the bacteria - it only induces immunity to the toxin it creates, which is what makes you really sick. A toxoid vaccine that is ONLY a toxoid vaccine cannot possibly prevent you from catching the bacteria. This is easily verifiable information. The fact that he didn't know it is downright frightening, since he's claiming to be expert enough to write a whole book about vaccines.

Furthermore, at his seminar, he encouraged non-vaxing parents to avoid large playgroups and never use daycare because the risk of disease was too great. He's spreading paranoia about people who don't vax (that they're disease-ridden or likely to pick up disease anytime, anywhere). He's not a reliable source of information and he's paranoid. That's enough for me to conclude that he does not deserve any amount of my money, so why would I buy his book? And since he's not a reliable source of information (see paragraph above) why would I believe his book is more reliable than the information that comes out of his mouth at his seminars?

[mykdsmomy]

I havent read his book but I've heard several people say his information isnt reliable.

Thanks Plummeting....that is a great example!!

Holly~ if you have the book, can you post the schedule or some of his reasons behind his schedule? Thanks

[youmb00]

I'm next in line at our library.. I don't really like the sears library books in general, but I'm very curious about this one. I'm hoping I'll learn something new about the VPDs at least.

[Gitti]

Originally Posted by CCChanel

Are there vaxes on the schedule?

That's what's wrong with it.

From posters here I've gathered that he suggests ALL of them (except CP?) but in a little bit of a slower pace.

[p1gg1e]

Originally Posted by Plummeting

When he gave a seminar at the LLL conference, he said you should give your kids IPV and the diphtheria vaccine if you traveled outside the country, in order to prevent them from bringing diphtheria and polio back to the US. IPV doesn't prevent infection from polioviruses and diphtheria doesn't prevent infection from the bacteria - it only induces immunity to the toxin it creates, which is what makes you really sick. A toxoid vaccine that is ONLY a toxoid vaccine cannot possibly prevent you from catching the bacteria. This is easily verifiable information. The fact that he didn't know it is downright frightening, since he's claiming to be expert enough to write a whole book about vaccines.

Furthermore, at his seminar, he encouraged non-vaxing parents to avoid large playgroups and never use daycare because the risk of disease was too great. He's spreading paranoia about people who don't vax (that they're disease-ridden or likely to pick up disease anytime, anywhere). He's not a reliable source of information and he's paranoid. That's enough for me to conclude that he does not deserve any amount of my money, so why would I buy his book? And since he's not a reliable source of information (see paragraph above) why would I believe his book is more reliable than the information that comes out of his mouth at his seminars?

Were we in the same room?

He said that if your not in daycare, BF, etc that it decreases your chances of getting those infections. He also laughed about the "need" for several vaccines but tried hard to stay unbiased. he said 1/600 chance of getting one of the illnesses that vaccines were used for if you don't get any vaccines...this was in your life time..I asked him to clarify if it included the flu and Rota vaccine ( to show how inflated his statistics were)

Ive found his book simple and a great resource for a simple look on vaccines.

Even if I don't agree with vaccines at least I read the book he wrote and maybe learned something.

Anyway I didn't get the same feeling you did. Seems several of his clients are on his board say he supports their decisions also.

[prettypixels]

You guys should actually READ THE BOOK before you make big judgements/pronouncements about it. I'm in the middle of it now, and I will tell you it is making me reconsider a lot of things. He's compiled a lot of information (from VAERs, product inserts, CDC, WHO, others) in one place and it's an easy read. Why not just get it and read for yourself? Then you have a leg to stand on when you criticize.

[wonderwahine]

IMO his schedule is wrong because he has a schedule at all. :

[alegna]

Originally Posted by prettypixels

You guys should actually READ THE BOOK before you make big judgements/pronouncements about it. I'm in the middle of it now, and I will tell you it is making me reconsider a lot of things. He's compiled a lot of information (from VAERs, product inserts, CDC, WHO, others) in one place and it's an easy read. Why not just get it and read for yourself? Then you have a leg to stand on when you criticize.

Eh, I don't have time to waste reading more pro-vax propaganda What I have seen posted (stats and quotes) are flawed. Does not encourage me to use my valuable time reading it.

-Angela

[Plummeting]

Originally Posted by prettypixels

You guys should actually READ THE BOOK before you make big judgements/pronouncements about it. I'm in the middle of it now, and I will tell you it is making me reconsider a lot of things. He's compiled a lot of information (from VAERs, product inserts, CDC, WHO, others) in one place and it's an easy read. Why not just get it and read for yourself? Then you have a leg to stand on when you criticize.

I'm not criticizing his book. I'm criticizing his reliability as a source. He's proven himself unreliable. Why would I give him my money or waste my time on his book? He's not reliable.

[p1gg1e]

Originally Posted by Plummeting

I'm not criticizing his book. I'm criticizing his reliability as a source. He's proven himself unreliable. Why would I give him my money or waste my time on his book? He's not reliable.

He sights his sources in his book.....

[Plummeting]

Originally Posted by p1gg1e

Were we in the same room?

He said that if your not in daycare, BF, etc that it decreases your chances of getting those infections. He also laughed about the "need" for several vaccines but tried hard to stay unbiased. he said 1/600 chance of getting one of the illnesses that vaccines were used for if you don't get any vaccines...this was in your life time..I asked him to clarify if it included the flu and Rota vaccine ( to show how inflated his statistics were)

Ive found his book simple and a great resource for a simple look on vaccines.

Even if I don't agree with vaccines at least I read the book he wrote and maybe learned something.

Anyway I didn't get the same feeling you did. Seems several of his clients are on his board say he supports their decisions also.

Yes, he seems to be supportive of whatever choice a parent wants to make regarding their child's vaccines. That doesn't make him a reliable source. He said the polio and diphtheria vaccines prevented carriage and transmission. That makes him unreliable because he is WRONG. I'm glad he supports people. Unfortunately, he also gives them bad information. I'm unconcerned with how supportive he is, when considering buying, reading or recommending his book. All I care about is his reliability as a source. He has none.

As far as his view on daycare and large groups, I know several people who got that impression from the seminar. Two of them already do vaccinate and left deciding that they were glad they did, since he gave them the feeling their kids shouldn't be in school if they didn't, so it's not just non-vaxers feeling persecuted.

(This not directed at you, lol) I don't understand why anyone believes I need to read the book before discussing the blatantly false information its author has presented. I don't need to read the book to comment on the author. It's especially amusing in light of all the refusals of so many here to read a certain other book that they could acquire for FREE if they wanted to. The author isn't reliable. If I have a lot of free time one day, I might check the book out from the library, if they have it. However, it will be a cold day in hell before I support him with the small amount of discretionary income I have. He's written a book without having a clear understanding of the facts. I don't respect that at all.

And actually, if we read the OP, she wasn't asking for a review of the book. She was asking what was wrong with some of his theories. That's it and that's what I'm replying to. I don't need to read the book to know what's wrong with what he said in a seminar. Not sure why so many are so insistent that one must read the book to comment on his seminar. Makes no sense.

[delphiniumpansy]

Originally Posted by alegna

Eh, I don't have time to waste reading more pro-vax propaganda What I have seen posted (stats and quotes) are flawed. Does not encourage me to use my valuable time reading it.

-Angela

I think you mean to say that it seems like propaganda to you because you don't have any stats to refute his stats.

Interesting that everyone who HAS NOT read the book is criticizing it and those who have are saying it is a good book. Hmmmm, wonder why?

“Whatever course you decide upon, there is always someone to tell you that you are wrong. There are always difficulties arising which tempt you to believe that your critics are right. To map out a course of action and follow it to an end requires courage.”
- Ralph Waldo Emerson

[p1gg1e]

Originally Posted by Plummeting

(This not directed at you, lol) I don't understand why anyone believes I need to read the book before discussing the blatantly false information its author has presented. I don't need to read the book to comment on the author. It's especially amusing in light of all the refusals of so many here to read a certain other book that they could acquire for FREE if they wanted to. The author isn't reliable. If I have a lot of free time one day, I might check the book out from the library, if they have it. However, it will be a cold day in hell before I support him with the small amount of discretionary income I have. He's written a book without having a clear understanding of the facts. I don't respect that at all.

But most aren't his theories more like a compilation. Again he sites his sources.

And actually, if we read the OP, she wasn't asking for a review of the book. She was asking what was wrong with some of his theories. That's it and that's what I'm replying to. I don't need to read the book to know what's wrong with what he said in a seminar. Not sure why so many are so insistent that one must read the book to comment on his seminar. Makes no sense.

So can you site where he is wrong from his book rather then your own take on that days events?

from his book he has little opinion and more gathered simple info and stats for the lay trying to decide what is best for them.

Not saying the info in his book isn't wrong but rather its not really his info more just propaganda from inserts and CDC/FDA

[delphiniumpansy]

Originally Posted by p1gg1e

But most aren't his theories more like a compilation. Again he sites his sources.



So can you site where he is wrong from his book rather then your own take on that days events?

from his book he has little opinion and more gathered simple info and stats for the lay trying to decide what is best for them.

I Agree. I'd like to see specific issues with references to the book and specific scientifically valid contradictions if he can be proven wrong.