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[alegna]

Originally Posted by delphiniumpansy

Again, I don't think many of you have actually read the book.

There was no requirement to read the book to post in the thread. It was posted to discuss the *SCHEDULE* given in the book.

-Angela

[ZoeyZoo]

I haven't read the Vax book but I have read his opinion about vaxes in the Baby Book and have seen his recommended schedule in the Baby book.

I have a couple of reasons for discounting the infomation given about vaxes:

1. Dr Sears himself says that the chance or catching many of the diseases are rare and that the risk of serious illness from the others is rare. He only mentions 2 VPDs that even have a decent chance of causing serious problems - mumps in adults can cause sterility and that whooping Caugh in infants can be serious.

2. I believe he mentions that most vaxes can be found without mercury but he leaves out completey other issues with vaxes like other toxins in the vaxes (i.e., aluminum), foods that may cause allergic reactions that are in vaxes, etc. You can't get the vaxes without these ingredients.

I would have preferred that he presented a more balanced view on the subject enforcing that there are things to take into consideration... in other words risk versus reward. Not justing saying to vax and that's the end all be all.

I personally have some other issues with his books because he assumes that everyone gives birth in a hospital, everyone should vax, etc. He may have an opinion of the best thing, but if your books are meant to be a "bible" on the subject, I would appreciate a more fair overview of options, risks, possible outcomes, references to studies, etc. He needs to either help shed light on what influenced his opinion or present both sides IMO.

[carriebft]

His son wrote this book, so it's not the same guy as The Baby Book. (and you will find a lot of discussion on aluminum in the book)

[prettypixels]

They are worlds apart. Hilary actually knows what she's talking about. And if I ever have to go to court over a vaccine I want Hilary on my side. She's proven herself time and time again in that area. Doesn't matter if you're a phd, md, whatever as long as you know the facts.

How exactly has Hilary proven herself time and time again? I am truly curious.

Wonderwahine.... er.... Hilary doesn't make a profit from her books because no one will actually PUBLISH it.

"Yes! Also, Hilary hasn't got any medical school programming getting in the way of objectively looking at the research."

Well, that is definitely true... although I must say this is the first time I've seen "no medical school" used as a reason to take medical advice from someone.

It is fascinating to see people defend the decision to not vaccinate based on someone's LACK OF CREDENTIALS. Fascinating!

[prettypixels]

Originally Posted by ZoeyZoo

I haven't read the Vax book but I have read his opinion about vaxes in the Baby Book and have seen his recommended schedule in the Baby book.

I have a couple of reasons for discounting the infomation given about vaxes:

1. Dr Sears himself says that the chance or catching many of the diseases are rare and that the risk of serious illness from the others is rare. He only mentions 2 VPDs that even have a decent chance of causing serious problems - mumps in adults can cause sterility and that whooping Caugh in infants can be serious.

Well that is interesting... so basically because he admits that risk of serious disease from some VPD's is very low, that's a reason to ignore everything else he says? Did someone tell you it is a PRO-VAX book? Because it is not.

2. I believe he mentions that most vaxes can be found without mercury but he leaves out completey other issues with vaxes like other toxins in the vaxes (i.e., aluminum), foods that may cause allergic reactions that are in vaxes, etc. You can't get the vaxes without these ingredients.

Actually he discusses all the ingredients.

I would have preferred that he presented a more balanced view on the subject enforcing that there are things to take into consideration... in other words risk versus reward. Not justing saying to vax and that's the end all be all.

How do you know that he just says "vax?" Because... er, he does not.

I personally have some other issues with his books because he assumes that everyone gives birth in a hospital, everyone should vax, etc. He may have an opinion of the best thing, but if your books are meant to be a "bible" on the subject, I would appreciate a more fair overview of options, risks, possible outcomes, references to studies, etc. He needs to either help shed light on what influenced his opinion or present both sides IMO.

Wow.. I'm reading it now and I haven't seen a thing about assuming everyone should either vax or give birth in a hospital. You are indeed making huge assumptions about this book that are completely untrue.

[wonderwahine]

Originally Posted by ZoeyZoo

I haven't read the Vax book but I have read his opinion about vaxes in the Baby Book and have seen his recommended schedule in the Baby book.

I have a couple of reasons for discounting the infomation given about vaxes:

1. Dr Sears himself says that the chance or catching many of the diseases are rare and that the risk of serious illness from the others is rare. He only mentions 2 VPDs that even have a decent chance of causing serious problems - mumps in adults can cause sterility and that whooping Caugh in infants can be serious..

no documented cases of it though

[wonderwahine]

Originally Posted by prettypixels

Wonderwahine.... er.... Hilary doesn't make a profit from her books because no one will actually PUBLISH it.

you dont have to have a company publish your book to be published. Many books are self published in this day and age.

[BiscuitBaby]

My DD's were patients of Dr. James Sears, in the same family practice office as Dr. Robert Sears (the author) and Dr. William Sears.

They used to have a "shot talk" which consisted of a discussion after hours about vaccines. It was only for patients families who were interested, not mandatory for everyone.

At that time (2002) Dr. Bob (Robert) said that his oldest son was completely vaccinated. His middle son was selectively vaccinated and his youngest was not vaccinated at all. Based on his research, the more he learned about vaccines, the less his kids received. I have heard that in the book he states all his kids are vaccinated. I have not read it yet, so could somone verify that info? He said that he would NOT vax his kids for Hep B, even as teenagers.

I still have copies of the power point presentation from 2002. While Dr. Bob certainly has the right to change his mind about what vaccines he recommends, his new schedule is quite different from the selective schedule we were given. This differs from the schedule we recieved from his office, but we don't vaccinate and they never had a problem with that.

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Selective Vaccination - Sample Schedule

Starting around 2 months
*Hib - 4 doses finish at 15 months
*Prevnar - 4 doses finish at 15 months
*Consider DTaP - 3 doses, consider 4th dose at 18 months

Age 1
*Measles only - repeat in 4 years

Age 2
*Mumps only, repeat in 4 years

Age 3
*Tetanus - 3 doses if did not do DTaP as an infant

Teenager
*Consider Rubella for women, Hep B 2 doses, Chicken Pox if not had disease.
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I don't consider Dr. Bob pro vax because he offers advice on which vaccines to get. Better to have someone offer a selective schedule than the normal CDC schedule. People are ALWAYS going to vaccinate, so I think it is better for to be educated and make a decision, even if it was not a decison I would make for my children. I know it is not a decison I took lightly and often wonder if I am doing the right thing for my children by not vaccinating them. It seems like a lot of people I know who refused to vax their infants havetheir kids caught up at 3 or so but I can't bring myself to do it.

[cloak]

Originally Posted by prettypixels

How exactly has Hilary proven herself time and time again? I am truly curious.

I won't talk specifics because I don't know what is kosher for me to share but she does pro bono work on various vax cases. You must give credit to the lawyers involved as well but they wouldn't win w/o Hilary.