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post #81 of 109
12/9/07 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by wonderwahine View Post
i have to agree, it took me 24yrs and a hospital stay to get rota, and ds only got it because he was in the hospital with me.
DS, DH & I contracted rotavirus a couple years ago when visiting my S&BIL.

My nephew had just been vaxed for it. :
post #82 of 109
12/9/07 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by beanbean View Post
DS, DH & I contracted rotavirus a couple years ago when visiting my S&BIL.

My nephew had just been vaxed for it. :
Ah yes, a complication from the vaccine, I think Rotavirus will be spread even more via the vaccine!! *is this complication noted in the vax insert?*

Insane.
post #83 of 109
12/9/07 at 5:07pm
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DS, DH & I contracted rotavirus a couple years ago when visiting my S&BIL.

My nephew had just been vaxed for it. :
Dd8 got Rota from the hospital! She was in for pneumonia and rsv (i was a bit paranoid at the time and my dr. said it probably wasnt necessary but admitted her anyway.....). She came down with Rota the day she came home from the hospital.....I knew how she got it too. The cna's were coming in and NOT washing their hands in between patients. I complained to the hospital. Now that hospital (not because of me but probably numerous complaints) has antibacterial foam in each room.....if they would JUST use soap and water it would be fine....:
post #84 of 109
12/9/07 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by prettypixels View Post
Well, actually I have read what is available of Hilary's book on the internet, and I believe that she chose to make those chapters available because they are representative of her book as a whole. They are full of misinformation, speculation, and statements with no basis in fact whatsoever. Also, Dr. Sears is.. you know... a doctor. Which Hilary is not. So, yes, I do believe there is a difference.
What you are saying above is EXACTLY what people are saying to those who haven't read Dr. Sears' book. Your refusal to read a book based on snippets from the internet is no different. An author does not have to have an M.D. to be credible. Henci Goer comes to mind as an author who writes about the literature but is not a doctor. By your logic, we should discount her books and applaud the What To Expect series because they were written by doctors. Thankfully, there is a difference!
post #85 of 109
12/9/07 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by TanyaS View Post
You know, the same could be said for the people (general, not you specifically) who refuse to read books they have written off as anti-vax propaganda. If one can learn from the Dr. Sears book, why couldn't the same be said for Just a Little Prick, for example?
Are you seriously saying Hilary Butler is just as credible as Dr. Sears? Whoa. They are *worlds apart* in credibility, Tanya.

Hilary Butler isn't a researcher, much less a research scientist. She isn't published, doesn't hold a PhD or even an MD. Why WOULD I read her book (and take it seriously enough to base medical decisions on)?
post #86 of 109
12/9/07 at 6:20pm
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Are you seriously saying Hilary Butler is just as credible as Dr. Sears? Whoa. They are *worlds apart* in credibility, Tanya.
I actually think the difference between Hilary and Sears is that Sears has to tow the party line and therefore is unable to discredit the shaky science behind vaccines. Hilary has no agenda other than the truth. She's advocated for children who have been vax damaged...to me, that makes her more credible.
post #87 of 109
12/9/07 at 6:47pm
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Originally Posted by holly6737 View Post
Are you seriously saying Hilary Butler is just as credible as Dr. Sears? Whoa. They are *worlds apart* in credibility, Tanya.
You're right. They are worlds apart. Hilary actually knows what she's talking about. And if I ever have to go to court over a vaccine I want Hilary on my side. She's proven herself time and time again in that area. Doesn't matter if you're a phd, md, whatever as long as you know the facts.
post #88 of 109
12/9/07 at 6:50pm
I would argue that credentials DO matter when making medical decisions. At least they matter for *me*. I wouldn't trust just some Joe Smith off the street for medical advice.
post #89 of 109
12/9/07 at 6:51pm
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You're right. They are worlds apart. Hilary actually knows what she's talking about. And if I ever have to go to court over a vaccine I want Hilary on my side. She's proven herself time and time again in that area. Doesn't matter if you're a phd, md, whatever as long as you know the facts.


she works her ass off researching, helping out familys with vax damage cases at no charge, she doesnt make a profit from her books, you dont need a phd or be a so called "researcher" to be able to research and learn things. Drs have proven time and time again they have no idea what they are doing, lactation consultants arnt drs.. yet they know more than drs about breastfeeding, midwives arnt drs, yet they know more about the birth process than drs.
post #90 of 109
12/9/07 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by holly6737 View Post
Are you seriously saying Hilary Butler is just as credible as Dr. Sears? Whoa. They are *worlds apart* in credibility, Tanya.

Absolutely. Hilary is far more educated on vaccines than any pediatrician I've ever encountered- including the Sears judging by the false statistics that have been quoted from their books.

-Angela
post #91 of 109
12/9/07 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by holly6737 View Post
I would argue that credentials DO matter when making medical decisions. At least they matter for *me*. I wouldn't trust just some Joe Smith off the street for medical advice.
Nor would I. BUT I would trust a well-researched mom who has dealt with the issue over a general practice MD any day.

-Angela
post #92 of 109
12/9/07 at 8:25pm
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Originally Posted by cloak View Post
You're right. They are worlds apart. Hilary actually knows what she's talking about. And if I ever have to go to court over a vaccine I want Hilary on my side. She's proven herself time and time again in that area. Doesn't matter if you're a phd, md, whatever as long as you know the facts.

post #93 of 109
12/9/07 at 8:40pm
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
Absolutely. Hilary is far more educated on vaccines than any pediatrician I've ever encountered- including the Sears judging by the false statistics that have been quoted from their books.

-Angela
Yes! Also, Hilary hasn't got any medical school programming getting in the way of objectively looking at the research.
post #94 of 109
12/9/07 at 8:50pm
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Originally Posted by cloak View Post
You're right. They are worlds apart. Hilary actually knows what she's talking about. And if I ever have to go to court over a vaccine I want Hilary on my side. She's proven herself time and time again in that area. Doesn't matter if you're a phd, md, whatever as long as you know the facts.
Exactly!!!!
Credentials don't mean snot if you don't know what you are talking about. I would take a well researched person's opinion over a doctor's who hasn't done the research any day.
post #95 of 109
12/9/07 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by holly6737 View Post
Are you seriously saying Hilary Butler is just as credible as Dr. Sears? Whoa. They are *worlds apart* in credibility, Tanya.
Yes, I am saying Hilary Butler is credible.
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Hilary Butler isn't a researcher, much less a research scientist. She isn't published, doesn't hold a PhD or even an MD.
And the founders of LLLI are only seven SAHM who happened to breastfeed their babies. As I mentioned before, Henci Goer is not an M.D. Neither are many quite credible authors.

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Why WOULD I read her book (and take it seriously enough to base medical decisions on)?
I would counter why wouldn't you? If I am willing to read the Dr. Sears book, why aren't you willing to read Hilary Butler's book? I would even loan you my copy! Maybe you would loan me yours (I don't have the extra funds, so I'll wait until my library gets it for me ) No one is suggesting you make medical decisions based on Hilary's book or any other book. It is simply a suggestion to read it with an open mind, same as the suggestion in this thread to others to read the Sears' book.
post #96 of 109
12/10/07 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
Absolutely. Hilary is far more educated on vaccines than any pediatrician I've ever encountered- including the Sears judging by the false statistics that have been quoted from their books.

-Angela
Without a doubt!
post #97 of 109
12/10/07 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by Sheacoby View Post
Exactly!!!!
Credentials don't mean snot if you don't know what you are talking about. I would take a well researched person's opinion over a doctor's who hasn't done the research any day.
absolutely.

one only needs to spend a few moments over on the breastfeeding and birth and beyond forums here to see thread after thread started by moms who have been given gross misinformation by their doctors.

what makes anyone think that all of a sudden, in the arena of vaccines, that the story is any different?

dr. sears is selling a product. he is selling his book, and he is also selling himself as a doctor. i have heard that his practice no longer is taking patients because of the huge influx of parents looking for an alternative.

ch-ching, all the way to the bank.

plus, he has to toe the line, his license would be at stake.

whereas hilary volunteers her time and effort to helping families with children who have sustained vaccine injuries. she has nothing personally to gain from the information that she so generously shares with anyone who will listen/read.
post #98 of 109
12/10/07 at 3:32pm
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yep...and one thing she also says that NO dr. so far has told me...is...."go challenge what I said" "Go research for yourself" "Dont take my word for it".....she encourages everyone to THINK for themselves...something a Dr would never say (IME)
post #99 of 109
12/10/07 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by mykdsmomy View Post
yep...and one thing she also says that NO dr. so far has told me...is...."go challenge what I said" "Go research for yourself" "Dont take my word for it".....she encourages everyone to THINK for themselves...something a Dr would never say (IME)
Having read Dr. Sears book, I can tell you that he does the same thing. He cites pros and cons and encourages you to make up your own mind.

Again, I don't think many of you have actually read the book.
post #100 of 109
12/10/07 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by mykdsmomy View Post
yep...and one thing she also says that NO dr. so far has told me...is...."go challenge what I said" "Go research for yourself" "Dont take my word for it".....she encourages everyone to THINK for themselves...something a Dr would never say (IME)
IMO, this is HUGE! (Though to be fair my last OB was pro BF & anti vax...just sayin'...gott'a dig your claws in when you find those! )
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