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Hi. I am the mother of 6 children. Started out as a "To Train Up a Child" Pearl fan. EEEEK. That's what I was taught at church and by others around me. First marriage was abusive toward me and children (one his, two ours.) I got out, taking all the children, adopted his child, too. Married a wonderful man, had 3 more children. He adopted my other children, abusive man is totally out of the picture.

As you can imagine, my parenting style has changed dramatically from child #1 to child #6. I've always breastfed and such, but started out punitive and expecting absolute obedience.

As I've matured, my views have changed. My new husband helped me to realize the futility of things like making toddlers sleep in their own beds or "toilet training." We found out that if you love and respect children, they come to these milestones in their own time.

Old habits die hard, though. I'm one of those people who is constantly re-evaluating herself and I tend to feel guilt and assume fault for anything that isn't perfect. I still spank the young ones sometimes, at those moments when I am just too stupid and uncreative to know what else to do. Like when the 2.5yo bites the 4yo for the 47th time. I frequently yell at them (I hate that!) And sometimes, quite frankly, I just hide. There is so much sibling rivalry, so much anger in them.

They assault me with a constant barrage of "You mean! You mean!" They hit me, they pull on me, they try to literally tear off my clothes when they want to nurse. I don't handle it well. Sometimes I feel like I'm back in that abusive relationship -- Except now it is a 4yo and 2yo trying to beat me up!

What's hard for me is that my young children's behavior is AWFUL. When I was punitive, my children were angels. Punitive parenting works. I know people say it doesn't, but having tried both extremes, I have to say that my older children who were spanked and expected to obey were and are so pleasant to be around.

Also my older children are really good with the younger children. The young ones often respond better to them than to me, so they are often coming to my rescue. Is that messed up or what???

I'm trying hard to practice gentle parenting with these little ones. Their behavior is just awful. It discourages me. I know that GD is right. My intuition as a mother tells me that. How I feel about myself when I offer support rather than punishment during a tantrum tells me that. And I totally believe in parenting for the long term, e.g. my goal is to raise healthy people not have "good kids." But dang, I miss having "good kids"!
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First of all welcome!

I started out with Babywise, so I can relate to that hugely shifting journey. "When you know better, you do better," and all that, right?

And I can definitely relate, when we did CIO with my oldest, he slept like a champ. I couldn't figure out why people had all these issues around sleep! After all, our PEDIATRICIAN recommended it. And the book was so authoritative--how could there be any downside, right? Oh, and I would come here and get support for breastfeeding and see the sleep forum--which at the time was called something like, Sleep Issues--and I thought, "See. There you go." Despite the fact that I would sit sobbing while he cried himself to sleep thinking, "This is what you have to do. He HAS to learn this. This is what you're supposed to do."

And then the wheels really fell off of that cart. My son started having huge behavioral and sleep reactions to dairy and other foods at around 1 yr. old. He would be up at night crying, he couldn't fall asleep or stay asleep, he was so clingy during the day--literally had to be touching me. And I thought, "Yes, he was a great sleeper, but at what cost? And why am I dealing with just the sleep when the food stuff is all the underlying problem. And quite frankly, I'm damn tired of my stomach hurting and crying for my sweet baby every night. This is wrong and I AM NOT doing it anymore--I don't care if he's up all night, at least I won't feel this guilt and he won't feel abandoned." And I put him in our bed and had him sleep on my lap as much as he wanted and it just started to *feel* better. Granted, it took more of my time and it flew in the face of mainstream society and he started waking up more to nurse.......but there was a peace in my heart and I *knew* God was leading me on this path.

And now my baby will be six this month and he puts himself to bed when he's tired and he sleeps just fine and I try to forgive myself for what I did out of ignorance. But it still breaks my heart a little.

God put you here for a reason. I'm sure Jesus would smile lovingly at children romping wildly and acting like children. He would not strike them to get them to stop behaving that way.

Some of the best advice I've gotten is this: In the moment, before you respond, think of two possible responses. And pick the more peaceful one. So at first it might be the difference between yelling and spanking--so just pick the yelling. It'll be better than the spanking. And next time, maybe it'll be between yelling and just stopping and listening. Each time will bring you closer to being peaceful, mindful, and gentle.

I'm not sure what the rest of your days look like, but there is MUCH to be said for, in my house, having plenty of semi-structured activities through the day. And really getting down on the floor with the kids and BEING with them. So putting down some towels on the kitchen floor and filling up some dishpans or pots with soapy water and bringing out funnels and cups and ladles and just sitting with them and watching them play that. Or building a fort out of empty boxes and old sheets for them to explore and climb through. Playdoh or finger paints on an old plastic table cloth. So much less fighting and wanting to constantly nurse and getting into stuff I'd rather they didn't. That stuff all seems to happen more when they're bored or sort of aimless.

Anyway, I'm glad you're here. It will get better. This board is a wealth of information and great tips--so when you find yourself in a situation you don't know how to handle, you can post it hear and a dozen wise mamas will help you brainstorm ideas.

In the meantime, you might be interested in this article from Jan Hunt's Natural Child Website (a GREAT resource for awesome and quick articles!)

"Good" Children - at What Price?

http://www.naturalchild.org/robin_gr..._children.html

Blessings!
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Some of the best advice I've gotten is this: In the moment, before you respond, think of two possible responses. And pick the more peaceful one. So at first it might be the difference between yelling and spanking--so just pick the yelling. It'll be better than the spanking. And next time, maybe it'll be between yelling and just stopping and listening. Each time will bring you closer to being peaceful, mindful, and gentle.

I'm not sure what the rest of your days look like, but there is MUCH to be said for, in my house, having plenty of semi-structured activities through the day. And really getting down on the floor with the kids and BEING with them. So putting down some towels on the kitchen floor and filling up some dishpans or pots with soapy water and bringing out funnels and cups and ladles and just sitting with them and watching them play that. Or building a fort out of empty boxes and old sheets for them to explore and climb through. Playdoh or finger paints on an old plastic table cloth. So much less fighting and wanting to constantly nurse and getting into stuff I'd rather they didn't. That stuff all seems to happen more when they're bored or sort of aimless.

Anyway, I'm glad you're here. It will get better. This board is a wealth of information and great tips--so when you find yourself in a situation you don't know how to handle, you can post it hear and a dozen wise mamas will help you brainstorm ideas.

In the meantime, you might be interested in this article from Jan Hunt's Natural Child Website (a GREAT resource for awesome and quick articles!)

"Good" Children - at What Price?

http://www.naturalchild.org/robin_gr..._children.html

Blessings!
What a great post. Thank you! That first paragraph I quoted is great advice and something I'll be remembering. The rest of your post is a good reminder too. I need to work on not just being here with my kids, but actually being "present" with them. I'm off to read the article you linked.
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Thanks for the great advice. I know they do better with structure and do try to provide that. Most days they are in creative play time (pre-k for 4yo) in the morning, come home at noon to nurse and have lunch, little one takes a nap, then some outside playtime. So there is daily structure at least until late afternoon. I am trying to play with them more. The 2yo is very tactile and I'm finding that playdough is a godsend. She also seems to have a low pain threshold and I'm not sure she has reached the stage of expressing empathy yet -- i.e. I don't know if she gets it when she hurts someone.

The article wasn't particularly helpful because that's not me. I do not shame my children. When I talk about the yelling I want to stop doing, it's more like, "No! Do not hit!" or "Don't tear the book!" or "Let go of my leg!" All phrased negatively and not terribly helpful, but I do not and would not call my children stupid, bad girl, naughty, etc. I'm not mean-hearted, I'm just frustrated.

I'll try to have a look at the other articles.
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Hi mama! There are lots of people in your shoes. I'm so glad you have found GD, but it sure is a shift. I have been GDing from the beginning but those old mindsets are sure hard to get out of. You might find the Unprepared for Parenting board at Gentle Christian Mothers helpful as it is specifically for moms trying to break out of the mindsets of Pearl, Ezzo, et al.
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