Vitamin K2 dosage? - Page 2

[tanyalynn]

Were you thinking of this? We estimated 4 tsp butter to make 1/2 tsp butter oil.
http://www.mothering.com/discussions....php?p=5550993

Yes! That's the one I was thinking of. Thank you!

So, if wikipedia is right (great source, I know) and there are 5 grams per teaspoon of butter, then 20 g of butter makes 1/2 tsp butter oil. And if my rough approximations mean anything, then that's about 150mcg of vitK2 per 1/2 tsp dose of butter oil (I don't remember anything about typical recommended dosage sizes of butter oil).

[mombh]

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[caedmyn]

Warning: K2 can cause insomnia! (Ask me how I know ) It's best not to start with 5 mg as the beginning dose!

Carlson's makes an MK-4 version of K2 that is a whole lot cheaper than the Thorne's one. There's 60 5 mg capsules in a bottle and I think I got the bottle for about $15. I just open up the capsules to dose the amount I want--the powder has very little flavor and you could mix it with food for kids. I think the Jarrow K2 is from natto.

JaneS--do you have any theories on whether there was a particular aspect of raw milk that helped your DS' facial structure change? I know we've theorized that it was the K2 but if you still think he's K2 deficient it seems like it must have been something else.

[newcastlemama]

Caedmyn--how much of the Carlsons do you take per day? I am trying to balance my fat soluables (I take 20,000iu A, 5,700 iu D) Plus I eat liver.

I am almost out of the Jarrow stuff so I may switch to Carlson's.
Here it is http://www.carlsonlabs.com/product_d...f&categid=0025 WHy in the world does it say not to use during pregnancy or BFing?!!! They ususally say "consult your doctor". Is it just another CYA?! My nutritionist recommends 1mg of K or K2 during pregnancy.

Thanks,
Jen

[newcastlemama]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Yes! That's the one I was thinking of. Thank you!

So, if wikipedia is right (great source, I know) and there are 5 grams per teaspoon of butter, then 20 g of butter makes 1/2 tsp butter oil. And if my rough approximations mean anything, then that's about 150mcg of vitK2 per 1/2 tsp dose of butter oil (I don't remember anything about typical recommended dosage sizes of butter oil).

I think Price used equal parts CLO to butter oil when treating people.

I just wanted to say that MDC mamas never cease to amaze me! Great job on calculations Tanya!

[caedmyn]

Originally Posted by newcastlemama

Caedmyn--how much of the Carlsons do you take per day? I am trying to balance my fat soluables (I take 20,000iu A, 5,700 iu D) Plus I eat liver.

I am almost out of the Jarrow stuff so I may switch to Carlson's.
Here it is http://www.carlsonlabs.com/product_d...f&categid=0025 WHy in the world does it say not to use during pregnancy or BFing?!!! They ususally say "consult your doctor". Is it just another CYA?! My nutritionist recommends 1mg of K or K2 during pregnancy.

Thanks,
Jen

I think I took 5 mgs for a bit (after I worked my way up), then 2.5 mgs, then 1.25 mgs, and now I'm taking 1 mg. My current dose is more or less based on nutritionist Krispin Sullivan's recommendations for 1 mg of K2. I think the pregnancy warning is just CYA...FWIW I took it when I was pregnant and I'll take it again.

[carnelian]

Would anyone care to comment on this particular formulation by Pure Encapsulations? It's called 'Synergy K' and here's the breakdown for one capsule:

D3 :: 200 IU
K1 :: 500 mcg
K2 (MK-4) 1 mg
K2 (MK-7) 45 mcg

You all know more about this vitamin than do I and I'd appreciate some input on this particular form of the supplement.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

JaneS--do you have any theories on whether there was a particular aspect of raw milk that helped your DS' facial structure change? I know we've theorized that it was the K2 but if you still think he's K2 deficient it seems like it must have been something else.

I have no certainty at this point! Our dentist said that maybe since he was doing raw milk and bone broths it was just too much calcium for the amount of K2 he was getting. And of course the magnesium issue. He is growing very well now so I'm happy about that at least. His height had slowed while his tooth spacing improved...figure that one out!

The other issue on the calculus could also be that he can be a mouth breather. It's all cleaned off now so we shall see what goes on in the next 6 months. In any case, K2 in his diet is not as high as it should be now that he is dairy free. Sigh. Thinking of fish eggs but don't know how we could do it several times/day. He loves seafood, I need to look into shellfish sources more. This poor kid is such a lab experiment!

[JaneS]

I've confirmed that the Thorne is synthetic so that makes me wary. I'm looking into Mercola's K2 from natto (hopefully less ingredients than Jarrow, we can't do EPO).

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by caedmyn

Warning: K2 can cause insomnia! (Ask me how I know ) It's best not to start with 5 mg as the beginning dose!

I wonder if it exacerbates a magnesium deficiency?

[westcoastmom]

Originally Posted by JaneS

I've confirmed that the Thorne is synthetic so that makes me wary. I'm looking into Mercola's K2 from natto (hopefully less ingredients than Jarrow, we can't do EPO).

Mercola's contains dextrin, sunflower oil, sodium casein starch, glycerol fatty esters, natto extract, oil of rosemary.

I wonder if it exacerbates a magnesium deficiency?

I don't know the answer, but the protocol on the vitamin k group includes magnesium. Magnesium is also a very common defiency.

[carnelian]

Originally Posted by carnelian

Would anyone care to comment on this particular formulation by Pure Encapsulations? It's called 'Synergy K' and here's the breakdown for one capsule:

D3 :: 200 IU
K1 :: 500 mcg
K2 (MK-4) 1 mg
K2 (MK-7) 45 mcg

[tanyalynn]

Would anyone care to comment on this particular formulation by Pure Encapsulations? It's called 'Synergy K' and here's the breakdown for one capsule:

D3 :: 200 IU
K1 :: 500 mcg
K2 (MK-4) 1 mg
K2 (MK-7) 45 mcg

I wish I remembered which D vitamin was good and which bad (I think D3 is the good one, I'm sure someone else will chime in). I like the idea behind this, and this is the reason that I've been putting off making a decision. I _think_ I've got an idea of what I want to do, then I learn of more options/opinions and begin second-guessing myself. My 2 cents is that, as long as it's a) a reasonable price, and b) not too much duplicate K1 (if you take a general multi), it's a good balance. But I'd take 2/day because the MK-4 seems to be used up so quickly (and remember, I'm really a newbie at this!).

JaneS, it sounds like you're very committed to getting the nutrition right through food. I really, really admire that, because, for now, on the fat-soluble vitamin issue, I'm pretty much throwing up my hands, and I feel like that's a cop-out on my part. I just want to figure out dosages and brands and then put this on the back-burner for 6 months.

Can we make a quick cheat sheet? Brands, type of K2, source, and dose per pill? I'll summarize what we've mentioned so far (probably with some unknowns) and then folks add on?

Carlson Laboratories: 5mg menatetrenone (means MK-4, yes?), source? capsule--can open & split
Jarrow MK-7: 90mcg MK-7, natto-derived, softgel
Thorne: 1mg/drop, MK-4, synthetic (any allergens?)
Mercola: 100mcg, MK-7, natto-derived
Pure Encapsulation: 1mg MK-4 (synthetic) & 45mcg MK-7 (natto-derived)

Are all the MK-4 products synthetic? I'm not sure why I should care except for the general idea that sometimes synthetic just isn't as good as a real food.

[tamagotchi]

Source Naturals K2
http://www.vitacost.com/Source-Naturals-Vitamin-K2
Vitamin D-3 (as cholecalciferol) 400 IU
Vitamin K (as menaquinone-7) 100 mcg
Calcium 72 mg 8%
Bacillus subtilis Natto Extract 100 mg
Other ingredients: dibasic calcium phosphate, stearic acid, colloidal silicon dioxide, modified cellulose gum, and magnesium stearate.

Twinlab D3+K2 Dots
http://www.vitacost.com/Twinlab-D3-K2-Dots
Vitamin D-3 (Cholecalciferol) 1000 IU
Vitamin K2 (as menaquinone-7) (from soy) 90 mcg
Other ingredients: Natural tangerine flavor, microcrystalline cellulose, xylitol, mannitol, cholecalciferol, menaquinone-7 (from soy), citric acid, silica, magnesium stearate.

Jarrow MK-7
http://www.vitacost.com/Jarrow-Formulas-MK-7
MK-7 (Vitamin K2 as Menaquinone-7) 90 mcg
Natto Extract 78 mg
Nattokinase 320 FU
Other ingredients: Evening Primrose Oil, beeswax, glycerol, gelatin and caramel.

NutriCology Full Spectrum Vitamin K
http://www.vitacost.com/NutriCology-...trum-Vitamin-K
http://www.nutricology.com/Full-Spec...s-p-16618.html
Vitamin A (from Cod liver oil) 200 IU
Vitamin C (from ascorbyl palmitate) 25 mg
Vitamin D-3 (90% from Cod liver oil and 10% from Skipjack and Tuna liver oil) 400 IU
Vitamin K (from 1000mcg vitamin K1 phytonadione, 3000mcg vitamin K2 menaquinone-4 and 50 mcg vitamin K2 menaquinone-7) 4050 mcg
Tocotrienols (as DeltaGOLD tocotrienols containing 90% delta tocotrienols and 10% gamma-tocotrienols) 5 mg
Other ingredients: Sunflower oil, gelatin, glycerin, water, yellow beeswax, carob extract, soy lecithin, zinc oxide.

Carlson Vitamin K2
http://www.vitacost.com/Carlson-Vitamin-K2
Vitamin K2 (menatetrenone) 5 mg
Other ingredients: Cellulose, magnesium stearate, silica, vegetable stearin

[tanyalynn]

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by ccasanova

When you said, "healing cavities in dental" did you actually mean that a tooth with a cavity is actually able to heal itself??? And that the cavity will be gone? I think I have some very interesting reading coming to me if I read that correctly!

From "On the Trail of the Elusive X Factor: A 62 Year Old Mystery Finally Solved" by Chris Masterjohn in Spring 2007, Wise Traditions...

VITAMIN K2 AND DENTAL HEALTH
Weston Price was primary interested in Activator X because of its ability to control dental caries. By studying the remains of human skeletons from past eras, he estimated that there had been more dental caries in the preceding hundred years than there had been in any previous thousand year period and suggested that Activator X was a key substance that people of the past obtained but that modern nutrition did not adequately provide. Price used the combination of high-vitamin cod liver oil and high-Activator X butter oil as the cornerstone of his protocol for reversing dental caries. This protocol not only stopped the progression of tooth decay, but completely reversed it without the need for oral surgery by causing the dentin to grow and remineralize, sealing what were once active caries with a glassy finish. One 14 year old girl completely healed 42 open cavities in 24 teeth by taking capsules of the high vitamin cod liver oil and Activator X [butter oil] concentrate three times a day for seven months.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

I wish I remembered which D vitamin was good and which bad (I think D3 is the good one, I'm sure someone else will chime in).

D3 is the good one but not synthetic D3 (powdered), you want the natural D3 from fish oil. D2 is the toxic vegan version, lots of side effects. Forget what it's made from... "by irradiating something" I want to say.

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

JaneS, it sounds like you're very committed to getting the nutrition right through food. I really, really admire that, because, for now, on the fat-soluble vitamin issue, I'm pretty much throwing up my hands, and I feel like that's a cop-out on my part. I just want to figure out dosages and brands and then put this on the back-burner for 6 months....

Are all the MK-4 products synthetic? I'm not sure why I should care except for the general idea that sometimes synthetic just isn't as good as a real food.

What is being beaten into my head over and over again it seems is that vitamin capsules do not work for us! Whether it's magnesium supplements (except transdermal) or zinc or sodium ascorbate... etc etc ... synthetic versions just do not treat my and my DS's body well. Our digestive systems just do not do well on them.

So our experiences, coupled with a strong belief and hours of research in WAPF nutrition, I just cannot ignore it any longer. I had my 6 months of back burner already!

DS's been dairy free for 4 months now, and our allergy dietician says ghee is okay to try so I think I'll just try the butter oil for now and see how it goes. He's very stable now so I feel like I'll be able to see a change. At least it's raw unlike ghee, which I really do think makes a difference for tolerance.

[westcoastmom]

Bio-D-Mulsion is a good Vitamin D. http://www.bioticsresearch.com/en/cms/?236#biodmulsion

Not cheap, but in my experience many of the cheapers ones are a waste of money because they don't get absorbed well.

What about Natto? Anyone using that?

[tbone]

Wow, you ladies are so knowledgeable! I'm just keep learning and learning!