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post #21 of 70
As the mama of a biracial child, I don't see anything offensive. There are many reasons why she might have askd, and many ways she might have asked better, but I wouldn't judge her on that.

IMO,judging her on one comment that wasn't perfectly PC is no better than a person only noticing someone for their racial characteristics.

The adoption question was, I think, too personal, but you never know, maybe she was adopted.
post #22 of 70
WHat was her tone? I think a lot goes into a question like that --- was she being rude otherwise? Did she *sound* rude in her tone of voice? Do you think she was deliberately being offensive? Perhaps she just worded things poorly. Hard to judge with the little info you have given since we weren't there, but overall I don't think it was rude, per se, but it was too personal for my taste. I'd have just glossed over the question or changed the subject.
post #23 of 70
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Originally Posted by p.s View Post
I'm afraid I would have looked at her sweetly, then said something like: " Oh, nooo...We've permed her hair since birth!" or some other comment equal in ridiculousness to her question.
My friend with a bi-racial baby tells epople she takes him to tanning salons.

I have to admit, if I saw her and the baby, and didn't know her, I'd think he was adopted, but I wouldn't ask-it's none of my business.
post #24 of 70
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That was incredibly insensitive and as the Mama of 2 biracial children I probably would not be interested in a place like that for my dd..
Ditto that 100%, 'cept I only have one biracial kid.

I, too, am confused by the whole "originally from Africa" thing. WTF? DS's dad is black, but in no way is he originally from Africa. He's Bajan, with many generations in Barbados. Eventually if you back track enough--hundreds and hundreds of years, most of his ancestors were from Africa.

There are so many other possibilities. The father could have been hispanic with very tight curls...maybe the father is 1/4 black, 1/4 Mayan, 1/2 white. The OP herself could have been biracial but very light skinned/straight haired. Maybe she used a freaking anonymous sperm donor of unknown racial make-up. Maybe she was raped. That's none of the teachers business.

It would bother me that she sees families and racial make up so, well, black and white.
post #25 of 70
I'm a biracial mama to a bi(multi?)racial baby. I'm part First Nations (ie., Native). I found from long experience that these kind of questions from teachers (and others) are very often a kind of alarm bell. It does not mean that the asker is intolerant or racist, but it does mean that they may have an inappropriate interest in my background. It may mean that I will become a 'pet cause' for them. I may be expected to validate their need to accepted or liked by a person of my culture. I may have to listen to stories about how they have 'helped' people of my culture in the past, and be expected to show approval for those efforts. My good grades may be the subject of an inordinate amount of praise, because I am seen as having 'overcome' some sort of socioeconomic disadvantage associated with my race/culture. These were my experiences in school, and I don't think they had a healthy impact on me. I think you might be hearing similar alarm bells. It can be very hard to put your finger on what feels wrong when the questions are seemingly well-meaning and friendly. The teacher's questions made you feel uncomfortable. I think you should go with your feeling.
post #26 of 70
"Actually, I have had a lot of great conversations start up that way. "

With all due respect... these conversations go on at the expense of the exotic breed being analyzed. : I for one get pretty damn tired explaining my family history and genetic makeup to everyone I meet. But when people at work or at a social function ask I have to be polite and answer question after question after question smiling, so as not to alienate people with whom I need to socialize later.

For THEM it's interesting, and they might even walk away thinking that because I was not rude to them, that it was for me, too. No. For ME it's boring, tedious, and slightly insulting. The one thing that they find most interesting about me is the thing I had the least say in. If I were white or black, you would ask about my work. Because I'm not, you ask about my ancestors.

Maybe that wasn't the case in the conversations you had. Maybe it was. If you are a monoracial parent, perhaps for you your kid's heritage is fascinating. Beware- it might not be for the kid.

Again, it's not so much about intolerance for me as it is pure rudeness and insensitivity.
post #27 of 70
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Originally Posted by Mahtob View Post
She might be extremely tolerant and loving of all, just really insensitive to other people and focused on exteriors. She noticed the kinks, that's it. Or, she might be very open-minded BUT not have met a lot of black people. God knows. Doesn't mean she's not a decent person, just means she's either stupid, rude, or clueless. Which is different, to my mind, than being racist.
Very well put, I think. I wouldn't go back to the school either. If she were my bi-racial daughter, I'd want her to have a sensitive teacher, not one who might make her uncomfortable with her ignorant comments.
post #28 of 70
I'm a mama to a biracial child as well and if I probably wouldn't find anything rude with that if taken at face value (tone inflections and other nonverbal cues would also be considered but since I wasn't the one there, then I'd assume that it was made in the best intentions).
My husband is white and I am asian so my husband or his relatives (when their friends see pictures) are asked occasionally if our child is adopted. Knee-jerk reaction for me would be to be offended but upon further reflection (since it's happened quite a few times), I have realized that it is nothing to be offended about. What's wrong with being adopted anyway?
So I guess I am a bit confused as to what was offensive about the teacher's question. The curly hair observation? The question about the father's homeland? The question about being adopted?
post #29 of 70
W're not talking about someone asking what kind of car you drive. I'm sorry, but there is no polite way to ask this question.
post #30 of 70
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So I guess I am a bit confused as to what was offensive about the teacher's question. The curly hair observation? The question about the father's homeland? The question about being adopted?
Something to consider....it hasn't been my experience that adults who have just met typically ask these kinds of questions to each other. "Oh, what lovely curly hair you have! Are you biracial or adopted? So is that from your mom or your dad?"

By the way, regardless of whether you have further contact with this teacher, politely answering and then kindly reflecting the question back is one way of dealing with intrusive questions. I think there is actually potential for raising consciousness when you do this.

Here's an example:
"She does have lovely hair, thank you. I suppose she takes after her dad in that way. You know you have very pretty _____. Is that from your dad or your mom?"

I know, it sounds pretty ridiculous and passive-aggressive, but dang these kinds of really personal questions from strangers get really old after a while. And it beats some of the alternatives that spring to mind.

Regarding adoptions, that's precisely one more reason a person in her/his position (teacher of youngsters) should be careful. Children and/or parents can't always explain where whomever gets whatever. Discussions regarding inherited characteristics could be very difficult for some.

Sounds like it's time for some consciousness-raising for this guide for young people. I don't judge his/her intentions - that's really beside the point. It just seems like she could use some guidance herself - as we all can from time to time.
post #31 of 70
Thread Starter 
thank you all for your answers!

i am glad that i am not alone in this one. i agree, too, that this question is especially very insensitive and inappropriate - because what if my daugther really was adopted? i made up my mind by not enrolling her at this place, but still i am just wondering how people's mind work sometimes in general.

i haven't found the right way to deal with this until now. partly i think it's good to put a laugh in it, but on the other hand i want to be a good rolemodel for my daugther, so there are definitely limits when people start to become aggressive or discriminating (again, i think her intention was friendly, i guess she just didn't really think).

i've had many comments on my daugther, like "Oh, what a nice tan she got! did you go on holiday?" or "THOSE kids usually look like their dads, DON'T MIND !". (fyi: i am "white" and my boyfriend is afro-american, my daugther has a good "mix" of us with an intense "afro-american" look and her skin colour is "cafe latte" which makes her so pretty :-)) most of the time i do get friendly reactions though.

i guess there are just ignorant people in this world, but what i wonder about is how can i deal with this properly so my daugther learns from me?

thanks again.
post #32 of 70
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Something to consider....it hasn't been my experience that adults who have just met typically ask these kinds of questions to each other. "Oh, what lovely curly hair you have! Are you biracial or adopted? So is that from your mom or your dad?"
Oh, just wait until these kids grow up. I guess people my age are trailblazers (I'm 30). People ask me that all the time. "You look so interesting!" "Where are your eyes from?" "Are you kind of asiatic?" "What are you?"

They have nothing going on in their lives except to enquire as to the genetic makeup of total strangers, I guess.

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"i haven't found the right way to deal with this until now.
Neither have I. It doesn't help that a lot of people press on even after you politely try to hint that you are not interested in discussing your family tree with them. They think that because for them it is so fascinating, it must be for you, too.

I wish they would deal with this on the Today Show or something and tell everyone, JUST DON'T ASK EXCEPT FOR YOUR CLOSE FRIENDS, and have it done with.
post #33 of 70
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Oh, just wait until these kids grow up. I guess people my age are trailblazers (I'm 30). People ask me that all the time. "You look so interesting!" "Where are your eyes from?" "Are you kind of asiatic?" "What are you?"

They have nothing going on in their lives except to enquire as to the genetic makeup of total strangers, I guess.



Neither have I. It doesn't help that a lot of people press on even after you politely try to hint that you are not interested in discussing your family tree with them. They think that because for them it is so fascinating, it must be for you, too.

I wish they would deal with this on the Today Show or something and tell everyone, JUST DON'T ASK EXCEPT FOR YOUR CLOSE FRIENDS, and have it done with.
I agree. My sister is a red head and no other member of the immediate family has red hair. "So where does the red hair come from?" is asked ad nausem. Which is always interesting when she is standing next to my brunette parents and they look at my mom quizzically.
post #34 of 70
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Originally Posted by Mahtob View Post
"Actually, I have had a lot of great conversations start up that way. "

With all due respect... these conversations go on at the expense of the exotic breed being analyzed. : I for one get pretty damn tired explaining my family history and genetic makeup to everyone I meet. But when people at work or at a social function ask I have to be polite and answer question after question after question smiling, so as not to alienate people with whom I need to socialize later.

For THEM it's interesting, and they might even walk away thinking that because I was not rude to them, that it was for me, too. No. For ME it's boring, tedious, and slightly insulting. The one thing that they find most interesting about me is the thing I had the least say in. If I were white or black, you would ask about my work. Because I'm not, you ask about my ancestors.

Maybe that wasn't the case in the conversations you had. Maybe it was. If you are a monoracial parent, perhaps for you your kid's heritage is fascinating. Beware- it might not be for the kid.

Again, it's not so much about intolerance for me as it is pure rudeness and insensitivity.
Don't misread me. I said that I thought the teacher's question was insensitive, too. And, what I said is that I am biracial, so I am speaking from my experience of people asking me about my race and not just about my child. (Actually, my baby looks like me, so I haven't faced the sort of ? the op did.)

My point was that sometimes there are positives to talking about race and my family. I'm not saying it is the conversation that I want to have or the first thing that I want noticed about me, but asking sometimes indicates genuine interest in wanting to learn about me or my background and sometimes it provides a window to broaden someone's horizons. I can see this for what it is. This can be annoying b/c it is not my job to teach about race, and as you said it is at the expense of highlighting my difference. However, there can be a greater good to having that conversation. Or, I'll find I learn something in the exchange about the other person (like that person has a spouse of a different race and is thinking about what it means to have multiracial children). Someone last week asked me, but she asked because she was an immigrant and wanted to know about my family's experience in America. That qualified as an interesting conversation. So to address your point, sometimes I get tired of it, but I'm willing to find the value in it.

But again, I'm talking just about my experiences which are not like op's. I'm a grown woman, so I feel comfortable addressing these questions and working through the awkward or uncomfortable bits...I wouldn't want anyone to put a question like the op's to my young child though. I would worry that a teacher that has the insensitivity to ask in that weird way and in that context might ask my child inappropriate questions.

On a lighter note, I find that people try and get to finding out my heritage by asking me where I was born (even when I was little this was the mo) or where I am from. Knowing what they were really trying to get to, sometimes I just say "Indiana".
post #35 of 70
This thread makes very interesting reading.

I am Chinese and my husband is white which makes my DS .... beautiful. That's how I describe him and people are naturally curious as to how he got to be so beautiful.

Seriously though being Chinese I have lost count of the number of times people ask me where I am from. I always answer Scotland. (I was born and raised in Scotland but live in England). That always confuses them, that plus my strong Scottish accent.

People are naturally curious and I admit I am one of those curious people. I love, absolutely love to see bi-racial children. I love seeing which characteristics they have taken from each race. Bi-racial children are always beautiful. I always sneek a peek.

I think with regards the teacher it really depends on how it was said. The fact that you felt offended by it is enough. Go with your instincts - a mama's instincts are always right.
post #36 of 70
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Originally Posted by Mahtob View Post
I am multi-racial but lived with my white mom. I find questions like that infuriating, extremely personal, and annoying. Like- that is the ONLY thing you notice about me? What if I asked you about YOUR dad the first time I met you??? (These questions are so awful because- what if dad is DEAD? what if the person was adopted and doesn't KNOW the exact race of the birth parent? what if the person doesn't like to give her family tree to every single person she's ever met in her entire life (cough, cough...))

Ugh. Must not rant here. But I think the comment was totally inappropriate and I would have a hard time going back, personally.

BUT- I do disagree that it means she is intolerant. She might be extremely tolerant and loving of all, just really insensitive to other people and focused on exteriors. She noticed the kinks, that's it. Or, she might be very open-minded BUT not have met a lot of black people. God knows. Doesn't mean she's not a decent person, just means she's either stupid, rude, or clueless. Which is different, to my mind, than being racist.
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Ditto that 100%, 'cept I only have one biracial kid.

I, too, am confused by the whole "originally from Africa" thing. WTF? DS's dad is black, but in no way is he originally from Africa. He's Bajan, with many generations in Barbados. Eventually if you back track enough--hundreds and hundreds of years, most of his ancestors were from Africa.

There are so many other possibilities. The father could have been hispanic with very tight curls...maybe the father is 1/4 black, 1/4 Mayan, 1/2 white. The OP herself could have been biracial but very light skinned/straight haired. Maybe she used a freaking anonymous sperm donor of unknown racial make-up. Maybe she was raped. That's none of the teachers business.

It would bother me that she sees families and racial make up so, well, black and white.
: Like you I read that comment and really thought the while from Africa thing seemed wrong, it really does reduce things to just Black and white and that bothers me.

More later.. to early to think and type.

Shay
post #37 of 70
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If she were my bi-racial daughter, I'd want her to have a sensitive teacher, not one who might make her uncomfortable with her ignorant comments.
This is what I don't understand... why shouldn't I show my child that these questions are nothing to feel uncomfortable about? I can see that it is inappropriate for someone to think of these questions first for a biracial child and think of other questions for a monoracial child, but we can't control other people. We can control how we emotionally react and teach our children to be proud of who they are, regardless of background. Who we are is more than our skin color, but it is part of who we are.

People ask me all the time about "what" my husband is (Korean). He doesn't see any big deal. We just smile and answer.

If someone was clearly derogatory in tone, of course that would be different.
post #38 of 70
I don't have any biracial children, but I wanted to chime in and ask a question. Maybe it's because I'm black and have spent my life with people ranging from lily white to inky black, but can't you *see* what races a biracial child is? I can see a girl and almost immediately determine that she has a black parent and a white parent or a white parent and a hispanic parent or, especially, a black parent and an asian parent. Isn't it kind of obvious? Does someone have to ask anyone else if they are white or asian or latina or black? I think that at some points it's not genuine curiosity but to let you know that they know that you have a biracial child. Almost like "Ha Ha. Bet cha slept with a <insert race here> man, didn't ya?" And that, IMO, is what's rude.
post #39 of 70
I have two nieces and a nephew (all in the same family) that are bi-racial. My sister is pale white with brown/black hair and their father is a medium brown african-american. Her children are gorgeous! They have tan skin and curly brown hair. Anyway, I think the question posed to the op was much more polite than some I have heard when going out with my nieces.

I hate the word 'mixed' when talking about my nieces but that is what people call them. "Oh, are they mixed?" "What are they mixed with?" Etc... I have corrected my own mother on this......it really bugs me that much!

They are children people, not a freaking bowl of ingredients!!!!

So honestly, I feel like your situation was not bad.
post #40 of 70
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My friend with a bi-racial baby tells epople she takes him to tanning salons.
Oh, I'm gonna tell DP she must use this one from now on.

Interestingly, no one asks me a thing about my kid. I guess cuz I'm black, and maybe they are embarassed to ask if I slept with a white man? Or maybe cuz I'm a pretty obvious dyke, I've confused them enough? Who knows. I do know that I find 'cake batter' theories about race quite interesting, especially since we *know* that any old thing can happen (in terms of shade for instance) when two variously racialized folks have a baby. I was holding my breath, but knew that my kid could have come out pale and blond. Thanks to slavery and the wonderful process of colonialism, the idea of racial purity is out the window...

I also wonder about the "originally from Africa" comment. I mean, come ON. It is almost 2008 and folks are still putting black folks outside of the (Canadian, US, European) nation? How many generations do I gotta live here to be *really* Canadian/American/European/etc.?
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