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post #1 of 16
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We often have threads about gifts given (or received) and what the proper response should be in re: gifts which are inappropriate, unappreciated, etc. (or when the giver feels that the gift is not received with appropriate gratitude etc.)

I think it's fascinating to see the different ways that people frame their views on the subject -- and many of us are quite passionate about where we 'sit' on the 'how to respond' continuum.

I thought it'd be interesting to have a separate thread where OP intentions in re: particular situations, aren't at play -- and see what people think.

My take on gifts:
1. I try to give gifts which are practical, will be used, and avoid anything decorative [this is because I have too much junk ] - I give people gifts I think *I* would appreciate (the idea if not the gift itself).

2. We are clear with family that we would prefer
a. College $
b. Books
c. Clothing
d. Educational toys (check with us first)
e. No talking/noisy toys - if stuffed, must be machine washable
f. No Disney, princessy, Barbie
G. TALK TO US ABOUT TOY IDEAS FIRST (this is also because I'm from a large family and that way we don't have duplicate toys).

This year we stressed avoiding MIC and trying to buy locally/USA made toys, for safety reasons.

Fortunately, people *mostly* follow our requests. We have some awful talking toys that we've managed to donate, and some which have been kept.

If we receive something we didn't want, we thank people (this is usually GMIL, so it's via a thank-you card), and the item disappears. This works for us now because the girls are little, and we aren't dealing with birthday party gifts etc. yet. I imagine things become much more difficult as children get older, and 'prestige' gifts which parents may not want/approve of, begin being given etc.

However, I don't think that people always need to accept graciously and then donate -- I think honestly I'd rather someone tell me, "Thanks for your thoughtful gift, but we don't allow X in our home" or etc. than to think that it was appreciated and buy the second part of the set for my next gift, KWIM? If I'm spending $$ I want it to be something the receive wants. So, to me, that feels like it's insulting if the relationships involved are respectful and loving.

If the gift given was calculated to irritate the receiver (or his/her parents) then also, I don't see any reason to be gracious and pretend it's OK. I think it's better to bluntly say, "Thanks for your thoughts, but as we had discussed, this is not for us. Perhaps you can keep it at your house?"

One of my concerns is, what are we teaching children about truth, when we have them lie about a toy/gift received - either implying that they like it (when they don't), or that they still have it (when Mean Mom and Dad took it away)?

Finally - and this is really big picture I know - I think that just because someone spends money on you (whether you expected it or not) does NOT obligate you to be polite, gracious, etc. to them in all cases/circumstances. This to me plays very much into the "He took you out to dinner at a nice restaurant, bought you a dozen roses, etc. and you STILL didn't put out? Then you got what you had coming" arguments (to bring it to the extreme).

If someone chooses to spend money on me/my family, that's their choice. But it doesn't mean that I have to pretend to like what they bought [Although usually I am polite and gracious - I do think intent matters a great deal]. I didn't ask them to make any purchases at all; they assumed that they could/should - and a thoughtful giver finds something that the recipient (and his/her family) would want and enjoy.

So, our neighbor lady spends her scant resources on gifts for my dds - often toys we don't want/need. We thank her politely and then reinforce the good gifts (books or etc.) -- her gifts disappear, often. This year - she got a made in the USA board game for the girls which we are really excited about. ALL her gifts are a huge sacrifice for her, and we appreciate the thought and are never rude about it - but we do try to guide things.
post #2 of 16
I have to side with Miss Manners on this for the most part with one caveat. A gift is just that a gift. I don't ask for gifts. I don't make givers feel obligated. I don't like to stymie people's gift giving tendencies. I am appreciative that someone thought of me or my dd or my dp and that they feel warmly enough about one of us to give us something.

However, in my family it is important to them that you like the gift they've given. They are not offended if you tell them, "You know this just didn't work out, could I have the receipt?" They always ask what we want and take directions well. But that is my family and this has been made clear from the outset.

As a result we all work hard to make sure we find gifts that people will like and need and want.

In dp's family it's almost the opposite in a way. The giver is more important than the receiver. So when I thought there was a chance that I might be given books that I already have my dp didn't feel there was an option for me to return them, I could just give them away. They do ask for lists and they have the same values in terms of toys for dd that we do. So it's not that big of an issue.

My sister feels I deprive my dd of toys, specifically loud noisy plastic toys. So that's what she her. I know partially my sister is doing this to piss me off. I also know that however misguided my sister is doing this out of concern for dd as well and I know she loves dd. So, if dd likes the toy my sister sends, she gets to keep it. After all she's the receiver of the gift and she's happy with it (see 2nd paragraph). If she doesn't like it we take it back and try to find something she'll be happy with, Toys R Us usually takes it back.

People don't have to buy you or your child gifts. People give gifts out of love a desire to make someone happy, etc. I can't fault someone for that. I can't bring myself to be so ungrateful to my sister to tell her point blank her gift sucks and goes against everything I try to teach my dd. (which the ungrateful part of me does indeed feel) Part of the reason I would never do it is it would prove to her exactly the reason why she buys the gift to begin with, I'm an overprotective mean mom who doesn't like her dd to have any fun and who doesn't want her dd to think her aunt loves her. So part of it is out of spite. But the other part is I'm not going to reject someone's small way of showing their love for dd.

Maybe I just live a very sheltered life but generally we're not innundated with gifts to begin with. So getting 1 or 2 gifts that aren't my style or what I want for dd isn't really that big of a deal. If worse comes to worse they get used in a yankee swap.
post #3 of 16
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This to me plays very much into the "He took you out to dinner at a nice restaurant, bought you a dozen roses, etc. and you STILL didn't put out? Then you got what you had coming" arguments (to bring it to the extreme).
I think that is a totally different scenario, as in, not even remotely related to saying thank you for a present you didn't really want your kids to have.

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I imagine things become much more difficult as children get older, and 'prestige' gifts which parents may not want/approve of, begin being given etc.
This will get harder. My seven year old owns some toys that I would normally not have allowed. On the other hand, he's seven, it's his stuff and it's not terrible. They're toys, not weapons or porn.
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by lisalou View Post
People give gifts out of love a desire to make someone happy, etc. I can't fault someone for that.
As I said in another thread, I almost always feel that the recipient should graciously accept any gift and thank the giver (even if they end up quietly getting rid of the object later), but I don't think the above quoted statement is always true. Someone made a good point in another thread about how some people will plainly state that they purposely buy loud/obnoxious gifts for kids just to irritate the parents. Not all gift-giving is loving and well-intended.
post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by limabean View Post
As I said in another thread, I almost always feel that the recipient should graciously accept any gift and thank the giver (even if they end up quietly getting rid of the object later), but I don't think the above quoted statement is always true. Someone made a good point in another thread about how some people will plainly state that they purposely buy loud/obnoxious gifts for kids just to irritate the parents. Not all gift-giving is loving and well-intended.
If you read my entire post you would see I talk about that as I have a sister that does that.
post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by lisalou View Post
If you read my entire post you would see I talk about that as I have a sister that does that.
I did read your whole post. I was just using the quote from your post to contribute to the discussion, as I hear people talk about gift-giving as though it's always well-intended, and that's not the case. I get that you get that...
post #7 of 16
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Finally - and this is really big picture I know - I think that just because someone spends money on you (whether you expected it or not) does NOT obligate you to be polite, gracious, etc. to them in all cases/circumstances. This to me plays very much into the "He took you out to dinner at a nice restaurant, bought you a dozen roses, etc. and you STILL didn't put out? Then you got what you had coming" arguments (to bring it to the extreme).
I agree that this is totally different. The situations are not even comparable.

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If someone chooses to spend money on me/my family, that's their choice. But it doesn't mean that I have to pretend to like what they bought [Although usually I am polite and gracious - I do think intent matters a great deal]. I didn't ask them to make any purchases at all; they assumed that they could/should - and a thoughtful giver finds something that the recipient (and his/her family) would want and enjoy.
I disagree. To me, intent does not matter. When a person receives a gift, the right thing to do is say "Thank you" graciously. It's not a gift-receiver's job or right, even, to try to analyze the gift giver's intent, decide if he/she was giving in the right spirit, and respond accordingly. That seems so rude and self-important. "Well, let's see. Aunt Jane gave me this scarf. It's okay, but she should know that I don't really like the color orange. So I don't have to be grateful because she didn't put enough thought into this."

I don't mean that you are those things, OP, just saying that I think gifts should graciously be accepted and people should move on. Life's too short to analyze the motives and thought behind every single gift one receives.
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by greeny View Post
To me, intent does not matter. When a person receives a gift, the right thing to do is say "Thank you" graciously. It's not a gift-receiver's job or right, even, to try to analyze the gift giver's intent, decide if he/she was giving in the right spirit, and respond accordingly. That seems so rude and self-important. "Well, let's see. Aunt Jane gave me this scarf. It's okay, but she should know that I don't really like the color orange. So I don't have to be grateful because she didn't put enough thought into this."
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Even in situations where I feel like a gift is just awful the only thing I communicate to the giver is "Thank you." I don't teach my child to lie - I don't say "I love this" if I don't. I can say thank you for an awful gift and be sincere because I am grateful that they gave me a gift at all regardless of whether it is a "good" gift. As far as the giver's motives for giving the gift, ITA with the PP I quoted - judging someone's intent in giving and finding mean ulterior motives just seems, well, wrong IMO.
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by Adele_Mommy View Post
judging someone's intent in giving and finding mean ulterior motives just seems, well, wrong IMO.
See, this is what I was trying to argue against in my previous post. Sometimes people do give gifts with ill intentions. It's admittedly rare, but I just don't believe that every single gift is given with love, or that gift-givers are automatically benevolent. I'm not talking about a shabby, inexpensive present given by a great-aunt who only had $5 to spare but wanted to buy you something because she loves you -- obviously that should be graciously and gratefully accepted.

But sometimes a snarky uncle will give a kid a toy machine gun, then snicker at the parents (who have made their anti-weapon-play stance perfectly clear multiple times in the past) and say, "Told ya I'd get him one sooner or later!" That's a rude gesture, and just because it's wrapped up with a bow doesn't make it less so.
post #10 of 16
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So, true story - a kid I went to high school with was "gifted" with a stick of deodorant in a Secret Santa thing we did.

Was that a kind gift? Should he have been gracious about it? (He was, because while poor and showers/water were limited in his household, he was always a sweet guy) -- That gift was given with the express intent to hurt and demean (and to make the giver and whoever s/he was feel superior and smug).

Some inappropriate gifts are given with love and sincerity. Some are - well, given with intent to hurt or undermine or mock. It's the high road to say "Thanks" and move on - but I don't know why later a quiet, "We appreciate the thought but we'd rather not exchange gifts in the future if this is what you think of the choices we make as a family [or etc.]" is considered rude?

I wouldn't tell Aunt Carol I don't like the orange scarf she knit for me. But if Aunt Carol bought my girls Bratz dolls, I would tell her - we don't allow those in our house, thanks so much for thinking of us or etc., but because of our concerns about female body image/objectification and more, we don't use these. No, I wouldn't have the discussion while opening gifts under the tree but I think it's only respectful to let people know so they can get gifts that they know will be used - not returned. I'd like to think most people don't intend to undermine parents/familial decisions.

If Aunt Carol however is trying to undermine me or ignore what we have directly told her (i.e., We've had an open and frank discussion about why we don't want the kids to play with gun type toys, and she disagrees with us but we've told her firmly that this is our house, our kids) -- then I think that the only healthy response if she gives gun based gifts anyway, is to directly and firmly say something like, "Gee, Aunt Carol, thanks for thinking of us, but as you know we are adamantly opposed to these items and we simply can't accept them."

SIL has a firm rule the past two years - no gifts exchanged at all except for kids. This is her way of (A) Saving $$, and (B) avoiding the awful gifts her MIL was getting her (and checking for and so on when she'd visit).

ETA: To clarify, I think that frank gift conversations belong within close friends/family, not to random parents/kids attending your kids' birthday parties. I think in those cases, the "please no gifts" or something similar would be a better approach if parents are concerned about what gifts their kids would receive. And because these folks are likely not a part of your support network etc., basically acquaintances - if there were a gift we didn't like, I'd think we'd simply thank them and then exchange them later.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by elanorh View Post
ETA: To clarify, I think that frank gift conversations belong within close friends/family, not to random parents/kids attending your kids' birthday parties. I think in those cases, the "please no gifts" or something similar would be a better approach if parents are concerned about what gifts their kids would receive. And because these folks are likely not a part of your support network etc., basically acquaintances - if there were a gift we didn't like, I'd think we'd simply thank them and then exchange them later.
I try for those kinds of gifts to give consumeables anyway, especially craft kits or art supplies. I know some people are down on M&D, but they have a neat little stamp kit for $10 which is our limit for friend gifts, and I have gotten that a lot of times for early school aged. Hearts and dinosaurs in separate kits, too.
post #12 of 16
Well obviously the stick of deodorant or the toy-gun-while-uncle-snickers are exceptions. But to be ungrateful because a present is plastic instead of wood, or from Walmart instead of Magic Cabin, or store bought instead of hand made, or a non-pre-approved educational toy, well, that's just... wrong.
post #13 of 16
My son and I had this conversation earlier, well the part about being polite and saying thank you even if someone gives him a barbie (horror of horrors to a 5 yr old boy). I do believe as a receiver you need to smile and say thank you. But I do know there are people who give not so nice gifts out of spite. But even then I think we need to smile and say thank you. By bitching at the person all you do is validate their nastiness. By saying thank you with a smile and moving on it deflates their nastiness and any joy they may get from their nastiness. Usually they just want a reaction. And not everyone is trying to be nasty. There are some who just do not care. And once again its better to smile and say thank you.
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by limabean View Post
But sometimes a snarky uncle will give a kid a toy machine gun, then snicker at the parents (who have made their anti-weapon-play stance perfectly clear multiple times in the past) and say, "Told ya I'd get him one sooner or later!"
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Originally Posted by elanorh View Post
So, true story - a kid I went to high school with was "gifted" with a stick of deodorant in a Secret Santa thing we did.

Was that a kind gift? Should he have been gracious about it?
I actually don't think even these rare (and horrible) examples are exceptions to the position I stated previously.

For the snarky uncle I separate the gift giving from the comment. I believe the kid should accept the gift and say thank you. If the uncle made the comment above I would probably smile and say "Yes, and I've told you we don't like weapons. I don't expect we'll be keeping this one for long." I don't think this is inconsistent with receiving gifts graciously and not attempting to judge a person's motives. I would be responding to the statement, not the gift. If the giver just snickered I think I would probably just ignore it and in either case I would expect my child to say "Thank you."

Regarding the deodorant, it sounds like a cruel and thoughtless thing to do, but I don't know. Maybe the giver is really poor and/or completely clueless and thought giving deodorant was the equivalent of giving cologne or something. Probably not, but it doesn't matter. If the giver was intending to be cruel, saying something other than thank you just lowers the recipient and gives the giver the satisfaction of knowing that his/her cruelty was successful. And on the off chance that the giver really didn't mean to be hurtful, not being gracious would hurt the giver.

I still don't see any situation where saying thank you is not the only appropriate response to receiving a gift.
post #15 of 16
I'm always amazed at how strongly people disagree on this topic.

I just thought I'd add that as a gift-giver, I would never be offended if someone said they didn't like my gift and that led to a discussion and more insight into their likes and dislikes. I think you can be appreciative and honestly state how you feel about the item.
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post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by expecting-joy View Post
I'm always amazed at how strongly people disagree on this topic.

I just thought I'd add that as a gift-giver, I would never be offended if someone said they didn't like my gift and that led to a discussion and more insight into their likes and dislikes. I think you can be appreciative and honestly state how you feel about the item.
Really? I think it depends on the relationship and the nature of the gift/complaint. If I bring a cheese tray to someone's house, I don't want to hear about how they don't like swiss cheese. However, if I buy a friend a wool sweater, I would certainly want to know that they have a wool allergy.

I guess I feel like we all can get a little self-involved and nit-picky at times, and, frankly, there are worse things than to receive a gift that isn't precisely my taste-- actually I have received gifts that weren't "my taste" that I really enjoyed, despite some initial reservations. In the end, part of the gift was that it introduced me to something new I wouldn't have found on my own.

Gifts are gifts, and the giver should have as much latitude as possible. The receiver's job is accept graciously, and then take it home and figure out how (and if) it fits in their lives.

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