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I flat-out lied to DD  

post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
I've always made it a policy to be truthful with my 5 1/2-yo DD. Otherwise, how can I expect her to be honest with me? I may fib when asked my opinion about an outfit she's picked out, but you know what I mean.

But I recently just totally lied to her, and I'm feeling a little guilty about it. We were driving in really bad traffic, so I turned on the news radio station to hear the traffic report. Instead, they were talking about a recent school shooting. I dove for the volume, but she'd already picked out the words, "gunman" and "school shooting." She asked me about it in a very fearful tone of voice. I said, "Oh honey, they're just talking about a movie or something. Don't worry." See, a flat-out lie?

I'd do it over again, too. We had to do family counseling a couple years ago, because she had bad anxiety. She still has a couple of phobias, is still anxious, highly sensitive, and at that time, had only been in elementary school a couple of weeks. There's no reason for a child with that history to have to worry about their physical safety at school.

But still, I hope this doesn't come back to bite me in the butt when she does eventually hear about school shootings, hopefully many many years from now.

What would you'all have done in that situation? Do your children ever ask you about school safety, and are they aware of the news?
post #2 of 30
I think that sort of lie is acceptable -- you were protecting her emotional state, especially if she's had anxiety problems in the past. There have been movies about school shootings, so if she hears about one in the news years from now I think it's highly unlikely that she'll recall this event and realize you lied. And even if she does, hopefully by then she'll have the maturity to understand that you were protecting her from hearing something very frightening.
post #3 of 30
If there was a such thing as a "good lie" I think this would fall into that category. You were protecting her.
post #4 of 30
I agree with the other posters, I would've done the same thing if I were in your situation
post #5 of 30
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your responses!

In a perfect world, I would have been able to think of a wise, comforting, but true response. Unfortunately, I'm a deep thinker, not a quick thinker. I knew if I hesitated, she would realize it was true and be scared to death.

As if there *is* a comforting response to school shootings.
post #6 of 30
I agree that this is an acceptable lie, but only if you are sure that dd will believe your lie. What I am saying is, if dd catches on that you are lying, it could have opposite effect of increasing her anxiety. So what I am saying is, yes, I might have done it, too. But very, very carefully!
post #7 of 30
Yep, I've been there with ds (who is highly sensitive, tends toward anxiety). yes, it's a lie. But he's not at a point where he can emotionally or cognitively process that information. When he is, we'll talk about it. right now, he's barely able to express his own emotions (that's always been really, really hard for him).

I don't listen to the news anymore, we don't ever watch the news (I'm too sensitive for that myself). We get our news on the internet or the newspaper. And I've hidden front pages from ds now that he can read!

I agree that your reaction is key - if she catches that you're nervous, she'll be more nervous.
post #8 of 30
I'll be the voice of dissent and say, I would have told my kids the truth. My five year old asks about all kinds of things, and I would not want to lie to her.

To be fair, she's not particularly sensitive and/or anxious, but I would not want to lie even if she was.
post #9 of 30
i have been there...damn npr! ds asked about a bus bomb...i don't remember what i said, but i do recall promptly changing the radio back to pbs.
post #10 of 30
I tell the truth too.

But my two girls are still, 2 years later asking about the little boy who drown in the pond. They really latched onto that one.
post #11 of 30
We haven't run across school safety issues because we homeschool, but in that situation, I might've said, "I'm sorry, but this concerns an issue that's not appropriate for me to talk about with you right now at this time. When you're older, we'll talk about it, for sure, but not at this time."
post #12 of 30
I tell the truth. My DS heard something on the radio the other day before I could change it and I explained that there are some bad people in this world. It actually opened up a stranger danger talk (which we have had many times so it wasn't anything new) and we had a great discussion.

But I have been caught in a small lie by my son before and he is very sensitive to not being told the truth so now I tell the truth all the time (ok..I lied about Santa!).
post #13 of 30
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Originally Posted by Meg Murry. View Post
We haven't run across school safety issues because we homeschool, but in that situation, I might've said, "I'm sorry, but this concerns an issue that's not appropriate for me to talk about with you right now at this time. When you're older, we'll talk about it, for sure, but not at this time."
My parents did this to me one time and I was so angry. I ended up going around asking everyone else what I wanted to know and making things up in my head.

I'd rather my kids know they can ask me anything and they will get the best answer possible from me. And if i don't know, I always offer to look things up on the internet for them.
post #14 of 30
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Originally Posted by MtBikeLover View Post
My parents did this to me one time and I was so angry. I ended up going around asking everyone else what I wanted to know and making things up in my head.

I'd rather my kids know they can ask me anything and they will get the best answer possible from me. And if i don't know, I always offer to look things up on the internet for them.
"The best answer possible" isn't always a possible answer to give some kids. For example, how much should a five-year-old know about rape? How about suicide bombing? How about child sexual abuse? That's what I mean by being honest and saying you'll tell them later.
post #15 of 30
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Originally Posted by Meg Murry. View Post
"The best answer possible" isn't always a possible answer to give some kids. For example, how much should a five-year-old know about rape? How about suicide bombing? How about child sexual abuse? That's what I mean by being honest and saying you'll tell them later.
I think you can explain those things to a five year old. I *have* explained rape to mine (I think she was four at the time), and although I haven't had a reason to explain the other two, I am certain I could if she asked.
post #16 of 30
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Originally Posted by Meg Murry. View Post
We haven't run across school safety issues because we homeschool, but in that situation, I might've said, "I'm sorry, but this concerns an issue that's not appropriate for me to talk about with you right now at this time. When you're older, we'll talk about it, for sure, but not at this time."

Meg, I can see this approach being very problematic for my child with anxiety. It admits that there is a "scary thing", but gives no information about what that scary thing is--leaving the (anxious) child free to fill in the blanks (possibly interpreting the situation as a personal threat when it is not). That might work really well for some children, but I wouldn't recommend it for a child with anxiety issues.

I can understand the struggle of finding a "best possible answer"....and for your dc, the best possible answer might be the one you are giving. For my dc (who struggles with anxiety), the best possible answer to a question like "what is rape" is something like "It is an act of violence" and hope she doesn't press for specifics.
post #17 of 30
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Originally Posted by sunnmama View Post
Meg, I can see this approach being very problematic for my child with anxiety. It admits that there is a "scary thing", but gives no information about what that scary thing is--leaving the (anxious) child free to fill in the blanks (possibly interpreting the situation as a personal threat when it is not). That might work really well for some children, but I wouldn't recommend it for a child with anxiety issues.

I can understand the struggle of finding a "best possible answer"....and for your dc, the best possible answer might be the one you are giving. For my dc (who struggles with anxiety), the best possible answer to a question like "what is rape" is something like "It is an act of violence" and hope she doesn't press for specifics.
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Our son in particular is prone to anxiety, and possesses a fertile imagination (wonder if the two are linked?).

To this day I am uncomfortable about panel vans. Why? Because I'm sure someone gave me the stranger danger talk (don't think it was my parents, probably at school), and then I imagined, and had really, really vivid dreams about someone coming in panel van to take me away. They backed up to our house, made me get inside and drove away. The van was white, with no windows or markings.

If I can't keep ds from hearing about these things, then I'll give the blandest factual answer I can.

What is rape? It's a way that some people hurt other people? Why? Usually because they don't understand how to use their words and need help to learn better was to deal with being angry.

School shootings? Sometimes kids get sick in their mind, just like you get sick in your body. When that happens, they don't think right. Most people with minds that are sick don't want to hurt anyone. But very rarely, they do. So, a few kids have brought a gun to school to hurt people. The school works very hard to keep all the kids safe and to make sure everyone has a healthy body and healthy mind.
post #18 of 30
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Originally Posted by Meg Murry. View Post
We haven't run across school safety issues because we homeschool, but in that situation, I might've said, "I'm sorry, but this concerns an issue that's not appropriate for me to talk about with you right now at this time. When you're older, we'll talk about it, for sure, but not at this time."
The one time I tried an answer like this with my DD, after she asked about something she overheard me saying on the phone, I then decided, as PPs have said, that it might just make her worry more, and imagine something even worse than the reality. So I went ahead and explained the whole thing to her (that my sister and I both feel very strongly that our families should euthanize us if we ever end up like our mother, who has a horrible progressive form of dementia), and she handled it fine. But she's not terribly anxious. I know I could tell her about rape, or suicide bombers, or even sexual abuse of children. I have no problem with lying in a situation like the OP's, though. I probably would have lied too, if my kid were that anxious.
post #19 of 30
I would have lied too. And do not get me wrong I am the kind who will say "Yes, there are cookies in the box left, but I am not giving you any now. It is almostt dinnertime, you may have some later" when many moms would say "all gone".
I did answer truthfully to questions about death, about the tsunami, about divorce, about many difficult topics, but for example I did lie about a news they had overheard about a mom who had killed her little one, and I would have lied about a school shooting.
We also have a family policy of not watching the news. But this discussion is making me wonder if what I do is right. The girls do not have anxiety issues. The thing about the news for example is this. I am not sure if they have the ability to understand that what they see is real, not a movie. I would find it deeply disrespectful if they made light of a tragic story in the news. With many other things I wonder, is there not an age which is appropriate to develop a full understanding of the reality around us? Is 5 yo not too early? Can they not be little and naive for a little longer? I understand the point of view of some of the pps, like, it is better to know from me than from a friend, and also that there is a way to explain everything to everyone, if you use the right terms. I will think about this some more. Thanks for this thread.
post #20 of 30
I am completely stunned that people think it is appropriate to discuss rape, suicide bombings and school shootings with 5 year old children. Whatever happened to innocence? I think you were 100% right to lie in that circumstance. I am going to let my children stay innocent a little longer, thanks.
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